2014-03-27 00:00 haha 2014-03-27 00:03 I'm afraid I'd suffer from a ever recurring nightmare about Suckerberg 2014-03-27 00:03 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-27 00:23 wolfspra1l has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 00:26 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-27 00:36 "#Suckerburg #bought #freenode #and #enforces #funny #silly #hashtags #before #every #word" 2014-03-27 00:37 I bet you don't want to hear about my next nightmare variation 2014-03-27 00:38 let it all out 2014-03-27 00:41 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 01:11 panda|z has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 01:12 unclouded has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 01:12 panda| has quit [*.net *.split] 2014-03-27 01:12 rz2k has quit [*.net *.split] 2014-03-27 01:16 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 01:22 zrafa: (adding USB to your board) ah, forgot that you'll also need a crystal. or at least freescale say so. haven't tried yet to see if one can make USB work without. 2014-03-27 01:46 hardly 2014-03-27 01:49 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 01:56 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-27 02:19 rz2k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-27 02:23 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 02:30 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-03-27 02:30 wpwrak: idea for a "hacker's CAD" 2014-03-27 02:30 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 02:30 arielenter has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-27 02:31 so traditionally, you'd draw some polygons in a CAD, then put them in a CAM and that'll generate you machining operations 2014-03-27 02:31 how about we merge them, then invert them and make them parametric? 2014-03-27 02:32 i.e. you simultaneously define your model and machining operations to create it 2014-03-27 02:32 possibly on top of openscad or something 2014-03-27 02:33 i.e. you can apply boolean operations to solids, and every boolean operation also has parameters explaining how it is done 2014-03-27 02:34 e.g. "start with a l=1 cube at (0,0,0)" "subtract l=0.5 cube at (0.5,0.5,0.5), use pocketing with 1.0mm endmill" 2014-03-27 02:35 or even "subtract (difference between l=1 cube at (0,0,0.5) and d=0.5 l=1 cylinder at (0.5,0.5,0.5)), use pocketing with 1.0mm endmill" 2014-03-27 02:35 which would make you a box with a cylindrical bump on top 2014-03-27 02:36 essentially attach gcode parameters to every toplevel subtraction 2014-03-27 02:36 does that even make sense? 2014-03-27 02:36 /cc DocScrutinizer05 2014-03-27 02:38 wpwrak: you love this thingy https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1516846343/microview-chip-sized-arduino-with-built-in-oled-di 2014-03-27 02:40 you'll* 2014-03-27 02:41 yes, we've already... discussed 2014-03-27 02:43 ugh 2014-03-27 02:43 * kristianpaul hides 2014-03-27 02:50 * kristianpaul reads archive 2014-03-27 02:53 * kristianpaul thinks werner will look stare at me 2014-03-27 02:54 ah, I thought you used "love" in a sarcastic way 2014-03-27 02:55 Dude, i could but is too late now 2014-03-27 02:56 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 02:57 wow havent looked at the improvements on anelok case 2014-03-27 03:08 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-03-27 03:09 xiangfu_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 03:21 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 03:44 xiangfu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-03-27 03:46 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 04:14 whitequark: well, not quite ... it's true that many other parameters may enter your design, such as tool/mill/material properties, but you'd definitely not want to have a forced 1:1 relationship 2014-03-27 04:15 kristianpaul: hah, gotcha ! now you'll burn in hell :) 2014-03-27 04:17 wpwrak: why not? 2014-03-27 04:20 because mixing high-level geometry with detailed low-level instructions will be non-portable. many designs should work with different mill/printer technologies, so you need some abstraction 2014-03-27 05:12 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 05:20 michael_lee has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-27 05:35 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 05:37 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 06:12 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-03-27 07:11 atommann has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-27 07:24 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 07:40 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-03-27 07:41 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 08:00 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-03-27 08:08 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 08:56 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-27 08:57 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 09:10 xiangfu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-27 10:53 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 11:19 rz2k has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-27 11:19 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 12:02 snufkin has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 12:16 snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-27 12:21 adamone has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 12:21 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 12:52 whitequark: like using assembler in your C programs. you can if you have to, but you normally try not to make a habit out of it. and compilers are usually "good enough" for the extra bit of machine efficiency you could squeeze out not to justify the human effort. 2014-03-27 12:55 this one is cool: http://cheezburger.com/5800780032 2014-03-27 12:55 love what they did with the date ;-) 2014-03-27 13:00 wpwrak: no sure if we can manage usb to our little project :) 2014-03-27 13:00 wpwrak: maybe more like : - talk with mcu, turn on a led, make something else no too complicated :) 2014-03-27 13:01 well, i was thinking more like "add USB hw" and "flash werner's USB stack with DFU" :) 2014-03-27 13:02 so you need the ben only once, to add the boot loader 2014-03-27 13:04 you'll have to tweak the software a bit, of course, since my boot loader talks to components you don't have. but the basic structure is the same. in fact, yours will be simpler 2014-03-27 13:04 in any case, you can at least leave room for USB connector and crystal in the design. then you can decide to populate them later. 2014-03-27 13:57 snk1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 13:59 adamone has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-27 14:11 adamone has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 14:13 snk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-03-27 14:14 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 14:14 vt has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 14:15 snk1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 14:18 adamone has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-27 14:19 rz2k has quit [] 2014-03-27 14:21 adamone has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 14:24 snk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-03-27 14:33 snk1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 14:36 adamone has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-27 14:38 snk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-27 14:39 adamone has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 15:01 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-03-27 15:02 wpwrak: (graph) niiiiiice :-P 2014-03-27 15:04 ((least leave room for USB connector and crystal)) hell, I forced that even into wikireader (original design) 2014-03-27 15:38 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 15:53 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-27 15:55 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 15:57 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 16:04 oh god this: http://hackaday.com/2014/03/27/hackaday-68k-so-you-want-a-kit 2014-03-27 16:04 guy never heard of NOR flash, says "logical solution is throw a big FPGA for translating A/D/control busses to SPI flash" 2014-03-27 16:05 What ever 2014-03-27 16:10 best part: he highlights that the "big FPGA solution" is "cheap" 2014-03-27 16:12 cheaper than a ASIC 2014-03-27 16:18 ha, you say that because you read the comments about the NOR flash 2014-03-27 16:19 viric: now look at the author of that comment 2014-03-27 16:19 one at 6:23 am mentions NOR flash :) 2014-03-27 16:19 not only did you steal the comment but his name as well? 2014-03-27 16:20 hm? 2014-03-27 16:20 all stolen 2014-03-27 16:20 oh, I missed that one. here's mine: http://hackaday.com/2014/03/27/hackaday-68k-so-you-want-a-kit/#comment-1306775 2014-03-27 16:21 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 16:21 I only looked at toplevel ones before posting... 2014-03-27 16:21 :) 2014-03-27 16:22 cd .. 2014-03-27 16:22 oops 2014-03-27 16:26 (clothes-peg adapter) most of the time, you can conveniently get away with just a footprint and gently pushing the chip on the pads 2014-03-27 16:29 how an MCU would eat more board space than an FPGA eludes me, though 2014-03-27 16:30 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-03-27 16:31 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-27 16:34 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 16:37 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 16:38 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-27 16:39 arielenter1 has quit [Client Quit] 2014-03-27 16:39 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 16:40 arielenter has quit [Client Quit] 2014-03-27 16:40 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 16:41 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 16:42 arielenter1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-27 16:56 rz2k has quit [] 2014-03-27 16:59 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 17:02 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-03-27 17:15 wpwrak: yes, we need the ben at least once 2014-03-27 17:17 snk1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 17:20 adamone has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-03-27 17:24 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-03-27 17:25 adamone has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 17:27 snk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-27 17:28 zrafa: you could also make a board that does DFU to SWD, similar to how i do DFU to the CC2543 debug protocol in the y-box 2014-03-27 17:28 zrafa: but ... libswd isn't too stable yet, so it would fail very often 2014-03-27 17:34 roh_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 17:34 snk1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 17:37 adamone has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-03-27 17:37 roh has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-03-27 17:38 snk2 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 17:40 snk1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-27 18:06 dos11 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 18:15 snk2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-27 18:17 adamone has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 18:21 snk1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 18:24 adamone has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-27 18:25 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 18:25 arielenter2 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 18:25 arielenter2 has quit [Client Quit] 2014-03-27 18:25 arielenter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-27 18:25 arielenter3 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 18:28 arielenter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2014-03-27 18:29 arielenter3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-27 18:30 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 18:40 root_empire has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 18:43 michael_lee has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-27 18:46 root_empire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-27 20:03 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 21:35 michael_lee has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-03-27 21:49 zrafa: but yes, you'll need *something* to do the very first flashing (and possibly any later updates/fixes to the boot loader). and the ben is of course perfect for that :) 2014-03-27 21:57 dos11 is now known as dos1 2014-03-27 22:16 snk1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-27 22:18 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-03-27 22:18 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 22:24 Jay7 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-27 22:26 Jay7 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 22:46 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 22:47 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 22:49 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 22:51 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-27 22:54 arielenter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-27 23:39 rz2k has quit [] 2014-03-27 23:48 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-27 23:52 tumdedum has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-27 23:54 tumdedum has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 23:56 wolfspra1l has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-27 23:57 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-27 23:57 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-27 23:59 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware