2014-03-23 00:21 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 00:24 rz2k has quit [] 2014-03-23 00:25 qi-bot has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2014-03-23 00:28 wolfspra1l has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 00:31 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-03-23 00:40 arielenter has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2014-03-23 02:04 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-23 03:01 idundidit has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-23 04:39 porchaso0 has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 2014-03-23 04:40 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 06:41 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 07:52 this is really cool: http://hackaday.com/2014/03/22/home-made-resin-based-3d-printer-is-incredible/ 2014-03-23 07:52 using an intact DLP projector for curing SLA resin 2014-03-23 07:52 /cc DocScrutinizer05 roh 2014-03-23 08:13 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 08:24 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-23 08:26 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 08:41 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-23 09:42 qi-bot has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 10:50 whitequark has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-23 10:54 whitequa1k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 11:07 whitequa1k: err what's with your nick? Nice makerbot... maybe. I miss photos 2014-03-23 11:31 _whitelogger_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 11:36 uwe_mobile has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 11:36 eintopf has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 11:39 Jay7 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 11:46 idundidit has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 11:49 FUCK! suckers stole my bike, basically Sunday noon before the noses of me and my landlord, from our house's backside garden 2014-03-23 11:51 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 12:01 must have been robin hood, taking from the rich. now that you're a company owner ... 2014-03-23 12:01 hahaha 2014-03-23 12:01 how are company owners linked to "rich"? 2014-03-23 12:02 actually it took my last cent to found this friggin company. Literally 2014-03-23 12:03 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-23 12:05 and then out of our garden >:-( 49.448842, 11.055079 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/23/plasma-desktopMI3389.png 2014-03-23 12:08 I'm tempted to grab the 9mm P9 and have a walk around the block, that sucker might still be around 2014-03-23 12:08 you have the wrong neighbours. "Yogabewegung" won't help. you should have picked a place next to the "Ninja Ronin Fight Club" 2014-03-23 12:08 probably too many cameras around for that sort of "unbureaucratic" solution ... 2014-03-23 12:09 yeah, it evidently didn't. My landlord was sitting in her Yogastudio and meditating, and when she opened her eyes she seen the read wheel of my bike vanishing aroung the corner of our house out of garden direction street (there's a ~7m long path from street to our garden) 2014-03-23 12:10 besides, to be properly badass, you'd need a pump gun and a bazooka on your back 2014-03-23 12:10 the P9 is faster 2014-03-23 12:10 and more accurate 2014-03-23 12:11 my landlord is more pissed than I am, though 2014-03-23 12:11 i hope you left some dimethylmercury on the saddle 2014-03-23 12:11 alas not 2014-03-23 12:13 but my landlord wasn't completely averse about the idea to have mines and pitfalls and self-triggered guns in our garden now 2014-03-23 12:14 the bike was 180EUR, 5 yeras ago. Aside from me not being able to afford a new one right away, the loss is not really terrible. It's the psychologic damage that hurts 2014-03-23 12:14 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 12:17 yeah, such things suck 2014-03-23 12:18 at least they didn't break into your home. i had that happen once (in lausanne, luckily, i wasn't in). not nice :( 2014-03-23 12:18 had that three times 2014-03-23 12:18 plus a few more, by police 2014-03-23 12:19 yuck. and why police ? neighbours didn't like your explosives ? 2014-03-23 12:20 nah, in the early 80s "political" reasons, in the late 80s, mid 90s for collecting ticket fees 2014-03-23 12:20 yes, they did such stuff 2014-03-23 12:21 wow, must have been some tickets 2014-03-23 12:21 knock 5:30 in the morning, break/lockpick the door, pull you out of your bed and tell you you either pay those 20EUR ticket now or you go to prison until you did 2014-03-23 12:22 I don't like police, and they don't like me 2014-03-23 12:22 not with that attitude 2014-03-23 12:25 "Die Polizei – Dein Freund und Helfer" - since at least 1926 ... 2014-03-23 12:27 well, once another of my landlords, a real gangster, simply broke open the door of my flat and had *everything* removed by a transporter/trucking, while I was at work (that sucker tried to make all lodgers go away so he could refurbish and sell the house for a good price). When I came home and found the door open and flat empty I called police who simply did *nothing* except letting me know that it's probably me who's at fault 2014-03-23 12:29 with that sort of police, who needs criminals ? 2014-03-23 12:29 unlike me, that landlord actually did 2+ years in jail for exactly similar stuff, yet police told me "well, there will be a reason why somebody - or even your landlord - removed your stuff. Have a nice day" 2014-03-23 12:32 after this event I moved to a new flat (obviously), whose landlord thought it's OK to break my door lock since he wanted to visit the flat. sure he is allowed to visit my flat, but only when I open the door for him 2014-03-23 12:32 s/visit/inspect/ 2014-03-23 12:32 DocScrutinizer05 meant: "after this event I moved to a new flat (obviously), whose landlord thought it's OK to break my door lock since he wanted to inspect the flat. sure he is allowed to inspect my flat, but only when I open the door for him" 2014-03-23 12:33 after that I got me a P9 2014-03-23 12:34 now I have the best landlord you can possibly find, and a nice little house with a awesome garden. But _some_ shit happens every year, inevitably 2014-03-23 12:34 you seem to be very lucky with your landlords 2014-03-23 12:35 yeah, better a sleepy yoga lady than a bunch of gangsters 2014-03-23 12:35 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-23 12:36 dang, 90 minutes already since bike got stolen, and still my adrenaline increases instead of normalizing 2014-03-23 12:37 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 12:41 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-23 12:58 ah well, take a beer and watch some "dirty harry" movie, that'll help to relax 2014-03-23 13:00 whitequa1k is now known as whitequark 2014-03-23 13:00 DocScrutinizer05: got disconnected 2014-03-23 13:00 why do you miss photos? there are literally hundreds of photos on instructables page 2014-03-23 13:01 this one: http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-high-resolution-3D-DLP-printer-3D-printer/ 2014-03-23 13:01 seems I look at a different page than you 2014-03-23 13:01 it's linked from hackaday page 2014-03-23 13:04 http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-high-resolution-3D-DLP-printer-3D-printer/ has exactly one photo for me, of a 3D printout 2014-03-23 13:07 try "view all steps" button 2014-03-23 13:07 a bit below the text and photos 2014-03-23 13:17 aaah 2014-03-23 13:17 grmbl. fooled by blx again. 2014-03-23 13:19 blx? 2014-03-23 13:20 "Branch with link, and exchange instruction set." on ARM 2014-03-23 13:20 if the LSb is clear, this changes to the ARM instruction set. if it is set, it changes to Thumb 2014-03-23 13:21 it's important to bear this in mind when constructing your own function pointers, since a merry jump to &function will not do what you expect ... 2014-03-23 13:22 well, in the case of ptr = &fn, it should. but not if you make things a bit more complicated 2014-03-23 13:22 like, in a boot loader 2014-03-23 13:27 why would your function not be aligned to 32bit? 2014-03-23 13:28 larsc: you want bootloader to be in Thumb to make it smaller 2014-03-23 13:28 hence, must not forget to set the low bit. and the address itself is aligned, of course. 2014-03-23 13:28 well, it is. but the cortex m0+ only has thumb ... 2014-03-23 13:28 though I don't know how wpwrak manages to miss that; all ways to get a function pointer I know set that bit 2014-03-23 13:28 including assembly 2014-03-23 13:29 ah, ok I assumed it switched to thumb when it shouldnt 2014-03-23 13:29 the other way around makes more sense 2014-03-23 13:29 whitequark: maybe he jumps in the middle of a function 2014-03-23 13:30 whitequark: well, it's actually ptr = APP_BASE; :) where APP_BASE is the offset the application has 2014-03-23 13:30 ah... that's probably the only way 2014-03-23 13:30 larsc: assembler would set the low bit if you refer to a label. and how else would you get an address to jump? 2014-03-23 13:30 to be "safe", i would have had to define a suitable symbol in the linker, declare that a function, etc. 2014-03-23 13:30 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 13:31 yep, that's how I'd do that 2014-03-23 13:31 but now it works. mission accomplished :) 2014-03-23 13:33 whitequark: do math operations on the label 2014-03-23 13:35 larsc: do you know a single case when that's simpler than something else? 2014-03-23 13:35 (btw, if you only add/subtract whole instructions, that won't throw off the T bit) 2014-03-23 13:42 no, but you never know what kind of crazy ideas wpwrak has 2014-03-23 13:43 viric has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2014-03-23 13:50 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 14:01 wpwrak: aah, that funny stuff 2014-03-23 14:02 we had much fun with it in N900, since the OMAP3530 has a si-err that makes your whole stuff go BOOM when you try to switch between instr sets 2014-03-23 14:03 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 2014-03-23 14:14 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 14:21 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-23 14:25 ah yes, much fun to be had with this sort of bug :) 2014-03-23 14:38 FrankBlues has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 14:56 ow ow ow ow ow 2014-03-23 14:56 * whitequark tried to make an attachment for his vacuum cleaner to add a corrugated hose to suck in chips 2014-03-23 14:56 and I accidentally make it into a giant whistle 2014-03-23 14:56 judging by the pain, it's *at least* 100dB 2014-03-23 15:04 hahahahaha 2014-03-23 15:05 why do you want to suck in chips? 2014-03-23 15:05 because I don't want them all over... well... everything? 2014-03-23 15:05 sounds a bit weird unless it's potato chips spilled on the floor 2014-03-23 15:06 right now I just keep vacuum cleaner hose manually near the cutter 2014-03-23 15:06 but this gets tiresome fast 2014-03-23 15:08 sounds like http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/impressions-of-25C3/ 2014-03-23 15:10 I know of component placer tools that work with vacuum to pick up the chips, but they don't suck them in 2014-03-23 15:10 ohh no 2014-03-23 15:10 "chip" is material cut by endmill 2014-03-23 15:11 http://www.admould.co.uk/OddDocs/CNC_1/Insert2.jpg 2014-03-23 15:11 yay, what a mess 2014-03-23 15:14 ooh, would you want a handfull of those chips like http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/impressions-of-25C3/ from that bag full of them I got somewhere, to practice Galden soldering BGA stuff? 2014-03-23 15:15 DocScrutinizer05: mhmm seems a bit bothersome for you to send them to me from DE 2014-03-23 15:16 * DocScrutinizer05 still wonders where to get that dirty harry video from 2014-03-23 15:17 whitequark: why? I throw them into an envelope and write your addr and place a stamp on it 2014-03-23 15:17 though maybe it makes sense. Think I threw out all my BGA scrap on my previous relocation 2014-03-23 15:17 DocScrutinizer05: then it would be very nice of you :) 2014-03-23 15:18 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 15:25 whitequark: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140323_001.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140323_002.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140323_003.jpg OK? or need more? 2014-03-23 15:26 just tell me when you really can use more of them 2014-03-23 15:28 and /msg your full(!) addr please 2014-03-23 15:28 sso I can C&P and print it out and attach it to the envelope 2014-03-23 15:30 or do you rather want a few hundred of those small critters too - I think it's FETs or sth 2014-03-23 15:31 or transistors 2014-03-23 15:42 FrankBlues has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-23 15:47 some more http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140323_005.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140323_007.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140323_008.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20140323_009.jpg 2014-03-23 15:47 now don't frustrate me by not sending your addr 2014-03-23 15:48 whitequark: ^^^ 2014-03-23 15:51 sorry, was away making clamps 2014-03-23 15:52 DocScrutinizer05: hmm, you're sending me chips in factory packaging? 2014-03-23 15:52 maybe you'll even say they work? 2014-03-23 15:53 nfc 2014-03-23 15:53 arielenter has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 2014-03-23 15:55 well... doesn't matter. it's more convenient to store them this way 2014-03-23 15:55 so.. thanks 2014-03-23 15:55 your camera is pretty good. N900? 2014-03-23 15:57 wpwrak: adding to our earlier acrylic discussion. today I found 1000mmx1500mm sheets for about $30 each 2014-03-23 15:57 that seems a good price, except I have no clue how to carry that over public transport 2014-03-23 15:58 since my only alternative is 500x300mm sheets for $15 each I think I'll find a way 2014-03-23 15:59 yep, N900 cam 2014-03-23 16:00 more convenient to upload to share-service 2014-03-23 16:11 whitequark: did you ask then if they can cut them for you ? they may also sell smaller pieces even if they only list the large sheets they get from the factory 2014-03-23 16:15 wpwrak: it's a wholesale store. Leroy Merlin if you heard 2014-03-23 16:15 they seem to be internationally known 2014-03-23 16:15 they can cut it, but only by one axis. doesn't help very much 2014-03-23 16:16 1 m x small sounds manageable 2014-03-23 16:16 and no, apparently they require you to buy whole sheet before cutting. my guess is they reduce the losses on pieces no one wants this way 2014-03-23 16:21 sure 2014-03-23 16:22 I however think even 100*150 is manageable 2014-03-23 16:22 depending on situation in you rpublic transport 2014-03-23 16:24 or cut it up into two pieces, either 100*75 or 150*50, whaever is better to handle by you 2014-03-23 16:26 ok, hope that envelope doesn't cant in the post machinery 2014-03-23 16:27 two stamps a -.58 should suffice I guess 2014-03-23 16:32 no clue. isn't it by weight? 2014-03-23 16:33 weight and size 2014-03-23 16:35 http://www.portokalkulator.de/portokalkulator/std 2014-03-23 16:35 hmm 2014-03-23 16:35 * DocScrutinizer05 puts a 3. stamp on 2014-03-23 16:37 3 EUR? that sounds like a lot 2014-03-23 16:41 nah, 3* -.58 2014-03-23 16:44 http://www.portokalkulator.de/portokalkulator/std?length=bis+23%2C5+cm&width=bis+12%2C5+cm&shiptype=umschlag&height=bis+%3Cb%3E5%3C%2Fb%3E+mm&weight=bis+50+g&pkcformula=nat.brief + destination Russia 2014-03-23 16:45 I got no scales 2014-03-23 16:45 seems like you can order a mark electronically and print it as a qrcode? that's really cool 2014-03-23 16:46 s/mark/stamp/ 2014-03-23 16:46 whitequark meant: "seems like you can order a stamp electronically and print it as a qrcode? that's really cool" 2014-03-23 16:47 whitequark: yep, that should work, but I bet only on windoof 2014-03-23 16:47 uh? 2014-03-23 16:48 they want to make sure you don't print it twice 2014-03-23 16:48 I bet they just give you a PDF to print in response. why would you ever want to involve your OS in that? 2014-03-23 16:48 ... 2014-03-23 16:48 surely they know that scanners exist? 2014-03-23 16:48 I'd not bet a penny on DeuteschePost IT 2014-03-23 16:48 state-run postal services seem to be universally hated round the world, aren't they? 2014-03-23 16:49 they are particularly one thing: stupid and on a technical level of last millenium 2014-03-23 16:49 http://www.deutschepost.de/dpag?tab=1&skin=hi&check=yes&lang=de_DE&xmlFile=link1013306_1013309 2014-03-23 16:49 claim to support linux 2014-03-23 16:49 wow 2014-03-23 16:50 well, of course. they write below that only thing you need is something to read PDFs 2014-03-23 16:50 the only proper way to prevent stamp cloning is a crypto signature on every single stamp 2014-03-23 16:50 I bet that is exactly what they did 2014-03-23 16:51 you still need a fast global database 2014-03-23 16:51 not that hard... encode cost+unique id+sha1 signature in the qr code. you need about 30 bytes 2014-03-23 16:51 well, yes. but considering only thing it needs is to check 64-bit numbers for uniqueness, it's not hard by any measure 2014-03-23 16:52 you could write it in fucking JavaScript and put on a single server and it'll still work 2014-03-23 16:52 given their sorters do >1000 envelopes per minute, it maybe is 2014-03-23 16:52 let me just tell you that this kind of problem is solved for a bunch of years 2014-03-23 16:53 mhm 2014-03-23 16:53 since webdev is more or less what I get paid, I know a thing or two about backend tech 2014-03-23 16:53 *get paid for 2014-03-23 16:53 RTT od <20ms? WAN 2014-03-23 16:53 of* 2014-03-23 16:53 ok... you'll have to run replicas on every sorter 2014-03-23 16:54 that won't help to stop one letter in every sorter passing with a stamp clone 2014-03-23 16:54 how are you going to make them go into sorter at exact same time? 2014-03-23 16:54 and if they achieve consistency in, say, 1 minute after sorting a letter, which is NOT hard, you're already covered 2014-03-23 16:55 I don't say it can't work. I just say it's not easy, particularly when a Post-drone wrote the specs 2014-03-23 16:55 I mean, you don't even need ideal catch rate. you just need to make cost of tricking the system higher than cost of stamps 2014-03-23 16:55 sure. they maybe can hire one guy with a brain 2014-03-23 16:55 that's more than enough 2014-03-23 16:55 that's not how those entities make decisions 2014-03-23 16:56 you should deal with RU post for a few months, DE post will become heaven to you then :p 2014-03-23 16:56 mind you, 30 years ago it was a *crime* to connect your own equipment to the telephone jack here in Germany 2014-03-23 16:57 and they outright denied stuff like 9600baud modems could ever work 2014-03-23 16:57 I know. and not only in germany afaik. US started with this shit 2014-03-23 16:58 because your phone was actually property of telco 2014-03-23 16:58 fortunately someone with half a brain in the govt killed that monopoly 2014-03-23 16:59 they argued on a technical level, claiming that your equipment could make the whole system explode 2014-03-23 17:00 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-03-23 17:00 I'm sure they knew well that it isn't true but fought to protect their monopoly 2014-03-23 17:00 and control 2014-03-23 17:00 FAX needed to get registered, to avoid somebody calling your number not knowing about the FAX there and then falling dead from shock when it starts beepng 2014-03-23 17:01 lol 2014-03-23 17:01 and the FAX ID had to get coded into the device by post employee, to avoid forgery 2014-03-23 17:02 9k6 modems (from USA, ZyXEL back when) were outright forbidden, they said it would ruin the german phone network, creating crosstalk to other lines 2014-03-23 17:03 ugh 2014-03-23 17:03 or check out BTX and cept 2014-03-23 17:03 didn't they even use twisted pair? 2014-03-23 17:03 incrdible 2014-03-23 17:03 sure they do and always did 2014-03-23 17:04 then their claim is absurd 2014-03-23 17:04 Post is absurd 2014-03-23 17:04 basic physics 2014-03-23 17:05 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 17:05 it's "we haven't finished internal evaluation yet, so it's considered dangerous" 2014-03-23 17:06 and those modems could do stuff like automatically dial numbers :-O 2014-03-23 17:06 even with 11 or 12 pulses, or DT;F A-D 2014-03-23 17:06 DTMF* 2014-03-23 17:07 yes, you could make someone's life hell 2014-03-23 17:07 Post had a darknet on <11>0.... for almost 100 years 2014-03-23 17:07 I did that once, using a GSM modem in fact. was surprised no one at telco blocked me after a ~day of such network abuse 2014-03-23 17:08 (don't ask why :p) 2014-03-23 17:08 old POST phones (for internal use) had a double-0 eleventh hole in the rotary dial 2014-03-23 17:08 wait, 100 years?! that's neat 2014-03-23 17:08 not really but almost 2014-03-23 17:08 ;-) 2014-03-23 17:08 for sure 50 2014-03-23 17:09 "00" been the internal always-free out-of-band line between exchanges 2014-03-23 17:10 and there been even a <12> level 2014-03-23 17:10 twelfe pulses 2014-03-23 17:10 you could call it "000" 2014-03-23 17:11 I suspect that been for technical service 2014-03-23 17:11 we need to go deeper 2014-03-23 17:11 also I suggest calling them A, B, ... 2014-03-23 17:12 switching dudes always can intercept any established call. " Sorry sir, there's an international R-call for you! do you want to accept?" 2014-03-23 17:14 I dunno if they used <11> or <12> level for that 2014-03-23 17:14 R-call? 2014-03-23 17:14 reverse charging 2014-03-23 17:14 you pay the fee 2014-03-23 17:15 * whitequark is so happy he lives in the age of VoIP 2014-03-23 17:16 post rules say there's a mandatory beep tone when the switching taps your call, but it's known there are ways to avoid that tone 2014-03-23 17:16 been using my Moscow direct number attached to SIP the whole time I was in Dublin, for maybe a buck per hour 2014-03-23 17:16 yep 2014-03-23 17:16 I did same in Taipei 2014-03-23 17:17 not to mention my SIP provider actually selects the nearest gateway and charges you same price regardless of whoever you call 2014-03-23 17:17 wherever in the world they are 2014-03-23 17:17 alas .tw internet is just too crappy for VoIP 2014-03-23 17:17 well, almost same 2014-03-23 17:17 eh? I used SIP while on EDGE (!) 2014-03-23 17:17 particularly international links 2014-03-23 17:17 except for really bad latency it was fine 2014-03-23 17:18 in fact I think SIP codec is more efficient than GSM itself, so even after IP overhead there's still some space left in a single GPRS slot 2014-03-23 17:18 depends on codec 2014-03-23 17:18 iLBC might 2014-03-23 17:18 and LTE here in Moscow even has latency (bandwidth too) comparable to landline, i.e. basically none 2014-03-23 17:18 speex? 2014-03-23 17:19 G711 2014-03-23 17:19 I forgot about that stuff when twinkle gone zombie state 2014-03-23 17:20 I use linphone. it's shitty but it works 2014-03-23 17:20 well, on desktop. on android it doesn't. no echo cancellation whatsoever 2014-03-23 17:20 of course that is unusable 2014-03-23 17:20 I wish somebody would write a qt4 GUI for twinkle core 2014-03-23 17:21 or even qtm 2014-03-23 17:21 qml 2014-03-23 17:21 doesn't sound very hard 2014-03-23 17:21 whatever the recent hype 2014-03-23 17:23 I wonder whether to write "electronic junk for practicing" on the envelope 2014-03-23 17:23 "used electronics" 2014-03-23 17:23 is the usual thing to write 2014-03-23 17:24 so your customs doesn't start to check how much is one S3C2442 or similar 2014-03-23 17:24 * whitequark ponders how to debug said BGA soldering 2014-03-23 17:24 xray? 2014-03-23 17:24 :-D 2014-03-23 17:24 I know a guy with a homebrew xray machine... never thought that'll come in handy 2014-03-23 17:24 or simply delaminate the PCB 2014-03-23 17:24 not sure whether it can make nice pictures though. likely not 2014-03-23 17:25 yep, could work as well. especially with pbfree, which I guess I will have to use 2014-03-23 17:25 sand paper 2014-03-23 17:26 right 2014-03-23 17:28 uh. how do you call a set of wires joined together in plastic? 2014-03-23 17:28 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Sciphone_Dream_G2#PCB_layers 2014-03-23 17:28 http://chipster.ru/upload/preview/product/1/4/5/1452_preview_big.png 2014-03-23 17:28 dictionary fails me 2014-03-23 17:28 sorry, I get a weird error on this URL 2014-03-23 17:29 http://www.brownbear.ru/foto/foto/110022.jpg ? 2014-03-23 17:31 I call that a flat ribbon cable 2014-03-23 17:31 that's it, thanks 2014-03-23 17:32 it's funny. this one has a six-color rainbow AND is sold in russia 2014-03-23 17:32 guess my line of thinking 2014-03-23 17:34 hehe 2014-03-23 17:36 you shouldn't order this cable, rather try to find one with onyl red white blue 2014-03-23 17:37 might even come for free, Putin paing for it 2014-03-23 17:37 paying* 2014-03-23 17:37 sadly some of our MPs could say literally that, and not even be sarcastic a little tiny bit 2014-03-23 17:37 most of them 2014-03-23 17:38 I mean, they recently managed to ban a *mathematics textbook* because it was, wait for it 2014-03-23 17:38 enough. 2014-03-23 17:38 not 2014-03-23 17:38 patriotic 2014-03-23 17:38 I'm fucking outta here 2014-03-23 17:39 it really feels like someone swapped our news outlets with the onion 2014-03-23 17:39 rz2k has quit [] 2014-03-23 17:42 it's always same. first find a sufficiently small minority inside your own people and define them as "they", beat them up or imprison or kill them, the rest is "us" and will be happy with it 2014-03-23 17:43 I know. 2014-03-23 17:43 or, if you can't find a dispensable national minority, use some other nation as "them" 2014-03-23 18:13 btw did I tell? I recently *accidentally* discovered that my passport has an embedded NFC chip 2014-03-23 18:14 with absolutely no indication whatsoever 2014-03-23 18:14 given NFC can be read from 10m... scary 2014-03-23 18:15 nothing a microwave can't fix 2014-03-23 18:15 mine as well has RFID chip, but it's clearly tagged on the outside even 2014-03-23 18:16 well... seems to be marginally useful, e.g. lufthansa checkin terminals seem to be able to read it 2014-03-23 18:16 or maybe they scan the letters, I don't know. there's some optics. but it's dumb to use optics if you can use NFC 2014-03-23 18:41 in the UK you can use the RFID at border controler 2014-03-23 18:42 the checkin terminals typically just scan the letters 2014-03-23 19:18 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 19:23 porchaso0 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 19:23 porchao has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-23 21:45 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 21:46 porchaso0 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-23 22:28 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-03-23 22:48 laigualdad has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-23 22:49 * DocScrutinizer05 HMM's @ http://www.linear.com/product/LTC3355 - searches the "OFF" pin 2014-03-23 22:51 actually that R7/R8 divider directly on V(in) already disqualifies the design for my purposes 2014-03-23 22:56 laigualdad has quit [Quit: zzz] 2014-03-23 22:59 maybe PFI pin could get abused to work as "OFF", so the chip doesn't draw *any* measurable quiescent current from V(in)? 2014-03-23 23:01 then, OTOH, we probably don't even want that complete shutdown, the twl4030 bupbat shouldn't usually power the RTC, we would want battery connected directly and losslessly to V(in) of TWL4030, when system powered down 2014-03-23 23:03 I wonder if those allegedly max 0.42mA quiescent current the chip may consume are tolerable for a device with LiIon battery depleted to 3.0V needing to power RTC for another several weeks until device gets recharged 2014-03-23 23:04 shouldn't discharge battery further to V(LiIon-kill-cell) 2014-03-23 23:05 hmmmm 2014-03-23 23:07 whitequark: putting your letter to the letterbox. o/ 2014-03-23 23:08 doesn't the battery generally have a "hard" built-in cut-off ? 2014-03-23 23:08 e.g., the gta02 battery had such a thing