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2014-03-22 01:38 <wpwrak> zrafa: btw, how is the getting-swd-to-work project going ?
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2014-03-22 01:54 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: btw that  http://www.thinktink.com/ site has a nice set of "whitepapers"/tutorials
2014-03-22 01:54 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks for the link
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2014-03-22 01:56 <DocScrutinizer05> actually they sound like suppliers for PCB makers, with a comprehensive "how do I create my own PCB shop" set of instructions
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2014-03-22 01:57 <DocScrutinizer05> reading that stuff gave me some vivid ideas of some chinese PCB makers and how they might work ;-D
2014-03-22 02:03 <wpwrak> do these mental images include gruesome industrial accidents ?
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2014-03-22 03:04 <DocScrutinizer05> no, rather some chinese doing weird manual work that you'd expect getting done by (CNC) machines
2014-03-22 03:05 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks over KDE, kmail, and pcre(3)
2014-03-22 03:05 <DocScrutinizer05> this is worse than windows ever got
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2014-03-22 03:07 <DocScrutinizer05> I want to match a string with a regex. alas it turns out kmail supports pcre - allegedly. And I fail to adapt my tested-in-grep regex to work in kmail
2014-03-22 03:08 <DocScrutinizer05> here's what I got in grep RE: echo 'Unsub- http://www.agcswelpjv.us/l/lc16JYYFRC4576W261MKVY/615QG1948GCGRH4096LVHT12XUBXD64204408XGHFQG1410730889'|grep '.*Unsub..\?http://\(\([[:alnum:].]*\)/\)*[0-9A-Z]\{30,\}'
2014-03-22 03:09 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc what to change to make the pattern PCRE compatible
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2014-03-22 03:10 <wpwrak> remove the backslashes ?
2014-03-22 03:10 <DocScrutinizer05> tried that, no dice
2014-03-22 03:10 <wpwrak> and use perl instead of grep when testing :)
2014-03-22 03:11 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
2014-03-22 03:11 <DocScrutinizer05> I hate perl, and I don't get it
2014-03-22 03:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I wouldn't even know how to run a simple RE in perl, without writing a script. HECK not even *within* a script
2014-03-22 03:12 <wpwrak> according to  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3848360/how-can-i-implement-unix-grep-in-perl
2014-03-22 03:12 <wpwrak> perl -ne 'print if /PATTERN/'
2014-03-22 03:19 * DocScrutinizer05 shudders and gives up
2014-03-22 03:21 <DocScrutinizer05> btw I already tried escaping / like \/
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2014-03-22 03:21 <wpwrak> sissy ;-)
2014-03-22 03:22 <DocScrutinizer05> but MEH, this isn't worth it
2014-03-22 03:23 <DocScrutinizer05> your last 4 lines completely convinced me that this is a totally useless feature in kmail
2014-03-22 03:24 <DocScrutinizer05> and particularly that KDE4 is for the arse
2014-03-22 03:26 <DocScrutinizer05> the rexex pattern text input field is large enough to hold ~10 chars and can't get increased no matter what you do. And the regex editor that was available in KDE3 is gone in KDE4
2014-03-22 03:26 <wpwrak> hehe ;-)
2014-03-22 03:27 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a pcredemo program allegedly, but not on my machine
2014-03-22 03:28 <DocScrutinizer05> the only pcre related executable is pcre-config, which is *extremely* useful¡, since it *prints* a few config settings
2014-03-22 03:28 <DocScrutinizer05> OMG
2014-03-22 03:29 <DocScrutinizer05> perl DAFAQ!
2014-03-22 03:32 * wpwrak likes perl :)
2014-03-22 03:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet on that. It creates an opportunity to scare others with suggestions like "perl -ne 'print if /PATTERN/' " as an alternative for grep
2014-03-22 03:41 <wpwrak> sigh. not as an alternative to grep but as a way to test PCRE with the ultimate authority of what is PCRE and what isn't
2014-03-22 03:41 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't see that working
2014-03-22 03:43 <wpwrak> PCRE = Perl-compatible, no ? so use perl to make sure your RE is indeed 100% perl-compatible
2014-03-22 03:44 <DocScrutinizer05> toldya I don't get perl
2014-03-22 03:45 <DocScrutinizer05> and I honestly doubt I want to find out why 'print if /.*Unsub..\?http://\(\([[:alnum:].]*\)/\)*[0-9A-Z]\{30,\}/' does whatever it does, and where the text to grep comes from
2014-03-22 03:45 <wpwrak> wo kein wille ist, da ist auch kein weg :)
2014-03-22 03:47 <DocScrutinizer05> when perl is an interpreter then I'd expect any text I pipe into it will get executed
2014-03-22 03:47 <DocScrutinizer05> and I honestly doubt perl will accept // in a pattern terminated by / /
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2014-03-22 03:48 <wpwrak> alright. you need backslashes for the forward slashes
2014-03-22 03:49 <wpwrak> perl would let you avoid that (mX...X instead of /.../), but i doubt kmail goes that far
2014-03-22 03:51 <DocScrutinizer05> kmail doesn't need *any* / / around the pattern. Mind you, it calls a library function, not a perl interpreter
2014-03-22 03:52 <wpwrak> then use mX...X in perl
2014-03-22 03:52 <DocScrutinizer05> so the pattern gets passed to that lib on stack, as string, i'd guess
2014-03-22 03:55 <wpwrak> hee hee, dfu works. at long last :)
2014-03-22 04:02 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, you love perl?? do a "man perl" to *maybe* find out what the parameters -n and -e do. I guess I hardly ever seen a more useless unix manpage
2014-03-22 04:03 <wpwrak> well, i tend to use perl for more complicated things. so no -n. -e can be handy at times.
2014-03-22 04:04 <wpwrak> and if want some more pretty regexps, then there's this: http://ftp.utcluj.ro/pub/docs/ldp/bible-src/lilo/t2a.pl
2014-03-22 04:07 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf do regexps help me when I can't find out how to use the fucking perl executable, since no docs about commandline options
2014-03-22 04:07 <wpwrak> perl --help ?
2014-03-22 04:08 <DocScrutinizer05> worse than windows, really
2014-03-22 04:19 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly somebody should suffer for this. They did nearly everything to make that stuff as intangible and obfuscated as possible
2014-03-22 04:19 <DocScrutinizer05>        Begun in 1993 (see perlhist), Perl version 5 is nearly a complete rewrite that provides the following additional benefits:
2014-03-22 04:19 <DocScrutinizer05>        ·   modularity and reusability using innumerable modules
2014-03-22 04:20 <DocScrutinizer05>            Described in perlmod, perlmodlib, and perlmodinstall.
2014-03-22 04:20 <DocScrutinizer05>        ·   embeddable and extensible
2014-03-22 04:20 <wpwrak> they had a little pet DocScrutinizer05 in a cage. they showed their work to him every day. when he started to rant and rage, then the knew they were doing it right :)
2014-03-22 04:21 <DocScrutinizer05> sure. Makes absolutely lot of sense to start a sentence lowercase, then inmidst the sentence continue Uppercase
2014-03-22 04:22 <DocScrutinizer05> somebody must have smoked real strong stuff before writing this BS
2014-03-22 04:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and that's a *manpage*
2014-03-22 04:24 <wpwrak> i'll never understand why they didn't call "man perlfunc" "man perlfun" ...
2014-03-22 04:25 <DocScrutinizer05> compare "man perl" to e.g. "man python" and you maybe get a frip on why I'm upset
2014-03-22 04:25 <DocScrutinizer05> grip*
2014-03-22 04:26 <DocScrutinizer05> or "man awk", or probably whatever you want to pick
2014-03-22 04:27 <DocScrutinizer05> only tcl is similarly useless
2014-03-22 04:30 <DocScrutinizer05> some gnu tools at least have the dignity to outright refuse to share *any* info in manpage, it just redirects you to "info" which aiui is Stallman's revenge to UNIX
2014-03-22 04:31 <DocScrutinizer05> strange I never heard the term "infopages", only "manpages"
2014-03-22 04:31 <DocScrutinizer05> now we also got "perlpages", uh?
2014-03-22 04:39 <DocScrutinizer05> make that >>        ·   modularity and reusability using innumerable modules. As described in perlmod, perlmodlib, and perlmodinstall.<< and I'd stop ranting about this particular thing. Not that this would change my general notion about that concotion a 0/00
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2014-03-22 05:45 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: :-S it works in perl, but not in kmail :-(
2014-03-22 05:46 <DocScrutinizer05> now I'm really pissed, and out of ideas
2014-03-22 05:47 <DocScrutinizer05> http://osdir.com/ml/kde.users.pim/2005-10/msg00036.html
2014-03-22 05:52 <DocScrutinizer05> BWAHAAAHHAAAAHAA!  >>This Appendix contains a brief but hopefully sufficient and covering introduction to the world of regular expressions. It documents regular expressions in the form available within Kate, which is not compatible with the regular expressions of perl, nor with those of for example grep.
2014-03-22 05:58 <DocScrutinizer05> >>The POSIX notation of classes, [:<class name>:] is currently not supported.<<
2014-03-22 05:58 <DocScrutinizer05> *great*
2014-03-22 06:01 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: yeah, thinktink.com is great resource
2014-03-22 06:01 <whitequark> I use it quite a bit
2014-03-22 06:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and BOOOM, as soon as you know about such great simplifications like >>[:<class name>:] is currently not supported.<< and use \w instead, it starts working
2014-03-22 06:04 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: yep, I can see why
2014-03-22 06:27 <whitequark> ugh. I recently dropped my laptop accidentally
2014-03-22 06:28 <whitequark> the shear stress pretty much destroyed the stuff used in the lid to attach to hinges
2014-03-22 06:28 <whitequark> they should've done that out of carbide or something, not cast Al
2014-03-22 06:29 <whitequark> I would actually try to make a replacement with my CNC, except, as I've said, it's *cast* Al. the shape is pretty much impossible to recreate on a 3-axis machine
2014-03-22 06:29 <whitequark> and I suspect even fancy 5-axis one
2014-03-22 06:30 <whitequark> hmmm, I actually have an idea...
2014-03-22 06:40 <whitequark> I'll just drill the lid through and put a bunch of M2 screws through. problem solved.
2014-03-22 06:40 <whitequark> not very beautiful, but very effective.
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2014-03-22 07:36 <whitequark> this actually worked really well.
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2014-03-22 07:37 <whitequark> http://i.imgur.com/hRcQI0z.jpg
2014-03-22 09:18 <whitequark> http://lab.whitequark.org/notes/2014-03-22/fixing-hinge-mount-on-asus-ux32vd/
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2014-03-22 10:34 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: congratulations on getting it to work ! and shame on those who a) invent pompous acronyms like PCRE, just to b) completely miss the point
2014-03-22 10:37 <wpwrak> whitequark: you're lucky they didn't put anything in the corner where you made your holes :)
2014-03-22 10:41 <whitequark> wpwrak: it's 3mm thick and most of that is cast Al frame
2014-03-22 10:41 <whitequark> there's simply no place and no reason to put anything there
2014-03-22 10:44 <wpwrak> 3 mm ? Al is robust, you don't need much of it. so, 2 x 0.7 mm of Al, leaving room for an FPC and some 1 mm components. and who needs a reason ? :)
2014-03-22 10:59 <whitequark> well, it means some useless components would be destroyed. how does it matter, since they're already useless? ;)
2014-03-22 10:59 <wpwrak> a good designer makes them useless but vital
2014-03-22 11:22 <larsc> argh, when did the birds start mimicing the sound of alarm clocks?
2014-03-22 11:24 <wpwrak> Angry Birds Evolution
2014-03-22 11:26 <DocScrutinizer05> larsc: several years ago actually
2014-03-22 11:27 <wpwrak> btw, what's even more evil are doorbell sounds in music. especially if you're waiting for some delivery
2014-03-22 11:28 <wpwrak> larsc: DocScrutinizer05 trained them
2014-03-22 11:28 <larsc> "Starlings have been known to learn the high-pitched, duo-toned screech of a car alarm"
2014-03-22 11:28 <larsc> I think that's what I'm hearing
2014-03-22 11:28 <larsc> non-stop all day long
2014-03-22 11:28 <wpwrak> makes me wonder how long until they'll learn to bark ...
2014-03-22 11:29 <larsc> "Then there's the fawn-breasted bower bird in Papua New Guinea which learnt the sounds made by workmen mending a tin roof: the noise of hammering, sawing - even the rattles of a stray ball-bearing rolling around inside a paint can"
2014-03-22 11:29 <wpwrak> avian pest control tip: be nice to the cats in the neighbourhood - don't feed them but attach wood to vertical structures they can't climb on their own
2014-03-22 11:30 <wpwrak> that already sounds more like an urban legend :)
2014-03-22 11:30 <larsc> here is the source http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/from-modems-to-alarms-the-world-of-bird-mimics-470901.html
2014-03-22 11:31 <larsc> "his father used to call his Jack Russell terrier with a distinctive whistle. The local starlings soon learnt to imitate it and quickly learnt how to "call" the dog to the bottom of the garden"
2014-03-22 11:32 <wpwrak> damn. now they have a guard dog. need a bigger cat then
2014-03-22 11:33 <wpwrak> lucky for you, felines grow considerably larger than canines. maybe you'll need to keep a few tigers in the end, but you can win that arms race
2014-03-22 11:40 <larsc> I got out the guitar and I think I scared them away
2014-03-22 11:40 <wpwrak> oh, cruel and unusual punishment
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2014-03-22 15:20 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: dude, I just realized: in order to properly pyrolyse copper hypophosphite, I need a way to very uniformly heat PCB up to 200°C
2014-03-22 15:21 <whitequark> ... galden!
2014-03-22 15:21 <DocScrutinizer05> err
2014-03-22 15:21 <whitequark> need to buy a deep fryer today
2014-03-22 15:21 <DocScrutinizer05> [2014-03-20 21:32:43] <DocScrutinizer05> ((<whitequark> inert gas is too hard)) heard you own some magic soup called Galden?
2014-03-22 15:21 <whitequark> whoops
2014-03-22 15:22 <whitequark> seems I should reread logs more often, sorry about that
2014-03-22 15:23 <whitequark> that being said, I wonder, how galden would actually work on t° below 230°?
2014-03-22 15:23 <DocScrutinizer05> not
2014-03-22 15:23 <whitequark> hm.
2014-03-22 15:23 <whitequark> well, it surely has some vapor pressure even at room temp
2014-03-22 15:23 <DocScrutinizer05> like water not working at 70°
2014-03-22 15:23 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you lower the pressure
2014-03-22 15:23 <whitequark> yes, it would be just the usual convective transfer
2014-03-22 15:24 <whitequark> albeit with a somewhat more efficient transfer medium
2014-03-22 15:24 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, you can dunk stuff into 180° galden
2014-03-22 15:25 <DocScrutinizer05> it will still be inert
2014-03-22 15:25 <whitequark> hm, yes, that'll work too
2014-03-22 15:25 <whitequark> pyrolysis isn't that sensitive as actual components
2014-03-22 15:25 <DocScrutinizer05> for sure not
2014-03-22 15:26 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: I just realized why I missed your suggestion about galden
2014-03-22 15:26 <whitequark> your line of thought: "need inert gas → galden". mine: "need uniform heat transfer → galden"
2014-03-22 15:27 <whitequark> my brain thinks they're completely disjoint and unrelated
2014-03-22 15:27 <whitequark> despite being basically about exact same thing
2014-03-22 15:29 <DocScrutinizer05> my "line of thought" usually is holistic
2014-03-22 15:32 <whitequark> sure
2014-03-22 15:32 <whitequark> I just realized I actually remembered your suggestion about inert gas, but didn't associate it with this problem at all
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2014-03-22 16:36 <DocScrutinizer05> well, that regex been a true PITA but it been worth it. Already two spam mails kicked out
2014-03-22 16:38 <DocScrutinizer05> funny enough how all those spams look pretty identical, though (fake?) topic is a new one each single time, also URLs are identically structured but different domains
2014-03-22 16:40 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/1c8d210460  http://privatepaste.com/7f2228924e
2014-03-22 16:43 <DocScrutinizer05> meh! FFS!  Received: from 03d3c05f.jerriwohlacafa.us (unknown [77.81.110.170])       Received: from 03d3c061.scathektcarine.us (unknown [77.81.110.171])
2014-03-22 16:48 <DocScrutinizer05> Received: from 03d3c05d.iranidrewmy.us (unknown [77.81.110.169])     Received: from 03d3c058.agcswelpjv.us (unknown [84.22.11.137])   Received: from 03d3c057.wheemjabrudnaifly.us (unknown [84.22.11.141])   Received: from 03d3c056.mdxtsauls.us (unknown [84.22.11.140])   Received: from 03d3c053.atabeggretdin.us (unknown [5.255.94.10])    Received: from 03d3c063.mcjdaphsons.us (unknown [77.81.110.172])
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2014-03-22 16:57 <DocScrutinizer05> bulgaria, romania. MHM
2014-03-22 16:59 <DocScrutinizer05> actually: inetnum:        77.81.104.0 - 77.81.111.255 || netname:        FIBER-UPLOAD-SRL || descr:          FIBER UPLOAD SRL || descr:          ION BREZOIANU, NR 27 || descr:          BUCURESTI ROMANIA
2014-03-22 16:59 <DocScrutinizer05> inetnum:        84.22.11.0 - 84.22.11.25 5netname:        VPS-Bulgaria-Lt ddescr:          Network for clients
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2014-03-22 18:07 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: you tried spamassassin?
2014-03-22 18:08 <whitequark> it works amazingly well for me, no worse than e.g. gmail
2014-03-22 18:08 <whitequark> in fact sometimes it's better than gmail, since it filters personally my spam
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2014-03-22 18:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not using gmail, steer clear of that, they are worse than NSA in my book. Spamassassin otoh doesn't consider those terse mails particularly spam-alike
2014-03-22 18:19 <DocScrutinizer05> 76% : http://privatepaste.com/7370b1a6af
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2014-03-22 18:45 <zerous> could any one suggest me a good noctua air cooler for an i5 4th generation build ?
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2014-03-22 19:11 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: what I do is raise the score for BAYES_99 above threshold
2014-03-22 19:11 <whitequark> iow BAYES_99 = instant spam
2014-03-22 19:12 <whitequark> "shortcircuit BAYES_99                spam" in spamassassin local.cf
2014-03-22 19:12 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm
2014-03-22 19:12 <whitequark> works amazingly well
2014-03-22 19:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I already wondered where to configure SA
2014-03-22 19:13 <whitequark> SA config is worth tweaking. did that once several years ago... I have maybe 5 spam emails in my inbox in a year
2014-03-22 19:13 <DocScrutinizer05> but right now I'm kinda excited, since I just got informed that my company is official since yesterday
2014-03-22 19:13 <whitequark> well, maybe 20... not a lot
2014-03-22 19:13 <whitequark> and SA has only marked maybe 2 emails as spam erroneously in about 5 years I'm using it
2014-03-22 19:14 <whitequark> including automated notifications and the like
2014-03-22 19:20 <wpwrak> these are about the only ones you'd actually notice :)
2014-03-22 19:26 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, such a company isn't healthy for my privacy
2014-03-22 19:26 <DocScrutinizer05> and google maps has 5 years old photos :-/
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2014-03-22 19:36 <wpwrak> google maps has pictures of you ? didn't imagine you as the kind of guy who's pose for the streetview car :)
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2014-03-22 20:45 <DocScrutinizer05> not of me, only of a house I later on used to live in
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2014-03-22 20:46 <DocScrutinizer05> well, actually I might have lived in that house already when the pictures where taken
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