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2014-03-08 01:41 <eintopf> ahhhhh
2014-03-08 01:42 <eintopf> where is werner :(
2014-03-08 01:43 <eintopf> _m
2014-03-08 01:48 <eintopf> no thetz
2014-03-08 01:48 <eintopf> there
2014-03-08 01:49 <eintopf> bad
2014-03-08 01:52 <eintopf> caaaaant liiiiiive cant live without wpwrak .... *sing*
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2014-03-08 04:05 <nicksydney> eintopf: you need to sing louder as it's very noisy down in Argentina ... most probably wpwrak is doing his weekend rounds :)
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2014-03-08 05:02 <wpwrak> oh dear, has he been at the catnip again ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5Xrcp6k8VE
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2014-03-08 11:53 <DocScrutinizer05> seems my cat been one of the 25% that are immune against catnip. It also wasn't useable as tobacco, so eventually I stopped watering it
2014-03-08 11:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
2014-03-08 11:54 <DocScrutinizer05> (the catnip, not the cat)
2014-03-08 11:55 <DocScrutinizer05> then OTOH my cat been crazy without catnip, every now and then
2014-03-08 11:56 <DocScrutinizer05> she loved potato peel for example
2014-03-08 11:56 <whitequark> you tried to smoke catnip?
2014-03-08 11:57 <DocScrutinizer05> really went crazy for it, digging it out from bottom of filled kitchen wastebin
2014-03-08 11:57 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
2014-03-08 11:57 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
2014-03-08 11:57 <whitequark> ...
2014-03-08 11:58 <whitequark> okay
2014-03-08 11:58 <whitequark> well
2014-03-08 11:58 <DocScrutinizer05> tastes not really delicious and has no psychoactive properties whatsoever
2014-03-08 11:58 <whitequark> that explains
2014-03-08 11:58 <whitequark> everything, I guess
2014-03-08 11:58 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
2014-03-08 12:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I heard in WW-II they smoked seagrass form mattresses
2014-03-08 12:00 <DocScrutinizer05> can't figure it tastes better or works better than catnip
2014-03-08 12:01 <whitequark> I humbly suggest you have a vacation in Colorado
2014-03-08 12:02 <DocScrutinizer05> tumble weed?
2014-03-08 12:02 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, I'll stay with tobacco for rest of my life
2014-03-08 12:03 <whitequark> (... which if you do, won't be that long)
2014-03-08 12:03 <DocScrutinizer05> sometimes I think it's been long enough
2014-03-08 12:04 <whitequark> :/
2014-03-08 12:05 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway I'm not one of those longevity fanatics
2014-03-08 12:06 <DocScrutinizer05> "live fast, die young" been the motto of our generation
2014-03-08 12:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm allready much older than I planned to get
2014-03-08 12:07 <whitequark> I don't know, I'd surely rather die than spend last 20 years of my life in some nursery being demented
2014-03-08 12:07 <whitequark> but for all I know, modern medicine makes it possible to be of sound mind in 70s
2014-03-08 12:07 <DocScrutinizer05> right
2014-03-08 12:07 <whitequark> look at Vint Cerf
2014-03-08 12:07 <whitequark> the guy's still very much kicking it
2014-03-08 12:08 <whitequark> and probably will for at least a decade, maybe more
2014-03-08 12:08 <DocScrutinizer05> look at Mick Jagger ;-P
2014-03-08 12:08 <whitequark> or Knuth. I wonder if he ever finishes his massive manuscript
2014-03-08 12:09 <whitequark> well, that's not too bad either!
2014-03-08 12:17 <whitequark> damn, now I wonder how exactly catnip would taste if smoked
2014-03-08 12:18 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway, when I send s mail to some folks saying "you wanna administrate your infra yourself? Good luck! prepare for that infra to go down!" and then one idiot comes and accuses me I had threatened them with me "formatting the servers", then I really wonder if life isn't too long maybe
2014-03-08 12:19 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: smoke peppermint tea and you know it
2014-03-08 12:20 <DocScrutinizer05> (too long) generally or either for me or those guys
2014-03-08 12:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
2014-03-08 12:21 <DocScrutinizer05> generally, since it obviously leaves time for dealing with such BS, or for either them or me since otheriwse we hadn't run into this situation
2014-03-08 12:25 <whitequark> yeah, figured it'd do something with maemo
2014-03-08 12:26 <whitequark> I certainly hope you have backups and a proven method for restoring them
2014-03-08 12:28 <whitequark> dunno how it was done, but we youngsters have a newfangled method for managing infra, called "chef". basically you describe your infra in a domain-specific language, then you give it a blank server and within 10min you have exactly what you described
2014-03-08 12:28 <whitequark> or you modify your chef config and rerun it, and get your actual config updated
2014-03-08 12:28 <whitequark> especially useful if you have 1000s of servers
2014-03-08 12:57 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: well, your statement could be interpreted as vote of extreme lack of confidence or as a threat. since they seem to be quite confident of themselves, they jumped to the latter ...
2014-03-08 12:58 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: but it seems to be a task you want to get out of. let them fight. you have much more important things to do.
2014-03-08 12:59 <wpwrak> whitequark: now i'm wondering if "chef" is a tool, a person, or some metaphysical form of existence :)
2014-03-08 12:59 <whitequark> chef is a program
2014-03-08 13:00 <wpwrak> there go my dreams of jeannie ...
2014-03-08 13:00 <whitequark> it's written in ruby, and there's a penchant for certain kind of naming in the ruby community
2014-03-08 13:00 <whitequark> e.g. chef operates on recipes, and the command-line tool for creating recipes is called knife
2014-03-08 13:01 <wpwrak> of course, she wouldn't need 10 minutes. it would fail spectacularly, but at least it would be done in the blink of an eye
2014-03-08 13:01 <whitequark> a collection of recipes is a cookbook, which is stored in a bookshelf... and so on
2014-03-08 13:01 <wpwrak> ah, speaking of failure. here's a picture of a launch the argentina space program calls "successful": http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1669921-un-despegue-fallido
2014-03-08 13:02 <whitequark> lol
2014-03-08 13:02 <whitequark> what
2014-03-08 13:03 <whitequark> it's a very liberal definition of "successful"
2014-03-08 13:06 <wpwrak> at least it didn't explode, which is something
2014-03-08 13:12 <pcercuei> lol
2014-03-08 13:13 <wpwrak> but the "snout in the dirt" posture gives it a rather comical appearance
2014-03-08 13:15 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05, larsc: i can say it better in german "die Rakete fiel auf die Fresse" ;-)
2014-03-08 13:19 <DocScrutinizer05> The requested operation could not be completed
2014-03-08 13:19 <DocScrutinizer05> Cyclic Link Detected
2014-03-08 13:19 <DocScrutinizer05> URL: http://www.lanacion.com.ar/1669921-un-despegue-fallido
2014-03-08 13:21 <wpwrak> works here. maybe try again ?
2014-03-08 13:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I however have a pretty clear idea how it looked like, seen same pictures from V2 development and I think also from early USA space program
2014-03-08 13:22 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: you're using FF I guess. It's more forgiving for such BS
2014-03-08 13:22 <wpwrak> (works here) even with konqueror :)
2014-03-08 13:22 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
2014-03-08 13:22 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: http://bucket1.clanacion.com.ar/anexos/fotos/59/1850159w645.jpg
2014-03-08 13:22 <wpwrak> naw, i use chromium
2014-03-08 13:22 <whitequark> wpwrak: did it even ignite?
2014-03-08 13:22 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly you got cookies enabled then
2014-03-08 13:23 <wpwrak> whitequark: i thing there is something that looks like minor scorch marks. but yes, i asked myself that question, too. it may well have just fallen off the ramp ;-)
2014-03-08 13:23 <wpwrak> ah yes, cookies i have
2014-03-08 13:24 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: yeah that happens when it ignites but stops or significantly reduces thrust after a very short time
2014-03-08 13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> or even just one of several engines lifts the whole rocket on one side
2014-03-08 13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> while other ones don't work
2014-03-08 13:27 <DocScrutinizer05> there are several funny movies of V2 and other rockets lifting from start table ~50cm, then sinking down again, falling to the side and exploding in a giant fireball
2014-03-08 13:28 <whitequark> yeah, giant fireballs are invariably a side effect of immature rocketry
2014-03-08 13:28 <whitequark> no wonder you're so attracted to it :p
2014-03-08 13:29 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: you want to watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McbCwSW2moo
2014-03-08 13:29 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1vr4G48Vt0
2014-03-08 13:29 <wpwrak> i especially likes the one towards the end that lifted off just enough to smash down with good enough force to blow of massively
2014-03-08 13:30 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah the first one already of your link, typical
2014-03-08 13:30 <wpwrak> it gets better :)
2014-03-08 13:32 <larsc> It is amazing that they managed to get rockets of the ground at all without modern computing power
2014-03-08 13:32 <DocScrutinizer05> 2:50 - rocket folds itself
2014-03-08 13:32 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL
2014-03-08 13:33 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a reason you call it "rocket science"
2014-03-08 13:33 <wpwrak> larsc: but then, some of the finest disasters were actually possible only thanks to computers :)
2014-03-08 13:34 <wpwrak> looks more like "rocket empiricism", though :)
2014-03-08 13:38 <nicksydney> wpwrak: STM32 Cortex-M0 now selling for 32cents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQMPa0kr-RA :)
2014-03-08 13:38 <larsc> this is so much better than the exploding rockets http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXdjxPY2j_0
2014-03-08 13:42 <DocScrutinizer05> 11:50 classical
2014-03-08 13:42 <DocScrutinizer05> 11:58 rather
2014-03-08 13:43 <DocScrutinizer05> 50cm jump and BOOOM
2014-03-08 13:45 <wpwrak> larsc: yeah, that one was impressive
2014-03-08 13:53 <DocScrutinizer05> real video art
2014-03-08 13:54 <DocScrutinizer05> only thing missing: a real grasshopper crwling across the camera lens, sometime after the cows moved by
2014-03-08 13:55 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway the test itself is based on utterly useless a concept
2014-03-08 13:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't use this concept for anything meaningful
2014-03-08 13:57 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McbCwSW2moo 13:37 is extremely funny
2014-03-08 13:58 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, 13:57
2014-03-08 13:58 <DocScrutinizer05> nope
2014-03-08 13:59 <DocScrutinizer05> 13:30 it starts
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2014-03-08 14:02 <wpwrak> yeah, looks for a moment as if it would go after the sub ;-)
2014-03-08 14:06 <wpwrak> and 27:40 illustrates what a darwin award candidate would do :)
2014-03-08 14:07 <wpwrak> me, i'd rather politely excuse myself at the first sign of trouble and cowardly retire behind the next blast wall
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2014-03-08 14:11 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, darwin award warranted
2014-03-08 14:12 <wpwrak> even the last one is kind dramatic, even though they seem to have maintained a much safer distance
2014-03-08 14:12 <DocScrutinizer05> well, safe distance is always relative, see castle bravo
2014-03-08 14:13 <DocScrutinizer05> "duh, those are 30% Li6 and 70% supposedly inactive Li7 in there, a 40km distance should suffice by far"
2014-03-08 14:14 <whitequark> well, one can also overdo safety
2014-03-08 14:14 <DocScrutinizer05> then find yourself confronted with the largest explosion (western) humans ever managed to set off
2014-03-08 14:15 <whitequark> and get todays nuclear industry, stuck with 60-year-old designs where new could be more efficient, less wasteful *and* eventually safer
2014-03-08 14:15 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: eh? no, largest would be Tsar Bomba, 100Mt reduced to 50Mt
2014-03-08 14:15 <whitequark> Castle Bravo is mere 15Mt
2014-03-08 14:15 <DocScrutinizer05> "we could see the bones through our hands' flesh"
2014-03-08 14:15 <whitequark> oh, western. yes
2014-03-08 14:16 <wpwrak> western like in wimps :)
2014-03-08 14:16 * whitequark thinks "western" as in "not china or japan"
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2014-03-08 14:18 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: well, anything significantly larger than the castle bravo or Tsar is simply useles, it just blasts away the vacuum in empty space
2014-03-08 14:18 <DocScrutinizer05> though I admit the term "useful" is strangely odd for such experiments
2014-03-08 14:33 <larsc> if you don't succeed at making a dent in the universe you can still try to make a dent in the planet
2014-03-08 14:42 <wpwrak> btw, the best "short liftoff" is at 11:13. just the right height :)
2014-03-08 14:45 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess 11:30 is the panorama view of [2014-03-08 14:42:52] <DocScrutinizer05> 11:58 rather
2014-03-08 14:50 <DocScrutinizer05> roh: thanks a lot for pointer to ina219, we decided for ina231 now
2014-03-08 14:51 <wpwrak> yeah, they have three different views
2014-03-08 14:53 <DocScrutinizer05> roh: high-end shunt, nice small package, 0.3mA supply current when active, and hooray, even a ALARM IRQ line with programmable trigger. Range 0.15mA .. 4000mA with a pretty low shunt of 20mR
2014-03-08 14:53 <DocScrutinizer05> s/trigger/threshold
2014-03-08 14:53 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: "roh: high-end shunt, nice small package, 0.3mA supply current when active, and hooray, even a ALARM IRQ line with programmable threshold. Range 0.15mA .. 4000mA with a pretty low shunt of 20mR"
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2014-03-08 17:58 <roh> DocScrutinizer05: nice
2014-03-08 17:59 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, indeed. Thanks! :-)
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2014-03-08 20:32 <sb0> hi
2014-03-08 20:32 <sb0> roh, where would you go shopping for buttons?
2014-03-08 20:32 <sb0> and knobs/faders
2014-03-08 21:00 <roh> depends on whatfor
2014-03-08 21:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and how urgent
2014-03-08 21:03 <DocScrutinizer05> Conrad and some music (instrument repair) shops come to mind
2014-03-08 21:04 <DocScrutinizer05> when "go shopping" been meant literally
2014-03-08 21:14 <eintopf> mhhh, catnip
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2014-03-08 22:38 <sb0> roh, I'm looking for a rectangular, roughly 20x10mm, preferably metal, pushbutton key
2014-03-08 22:39 <sb0> if possible with rounded edges
2014-03-08 22:39 <sb0> black
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