2014-03-04 00:00 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-04 00:00 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 00:06 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-04 00:06 I wonder if Putin's plans particularly regarding that eurasian trade union were actually coordinated with this ukraine mess we see now. Result seems more like damaging to the original idea 2014-03-04 00:07 also impact on russian economy already is massive 2014-03-04 00:09 already? 2014-03-04 00:09 some source for that? 2014-03-04 00:09 whitequark: one question regarding propaganda: here TV says Janukovic lost support even of 2/3 of his own party. Is that info available in russia too, and what do you think of it? 2014-03-04 00:14 hm 2014-03-04 00:15 how would you evaluate "is that info available in russia"? 2014-03-04 00:16 I mean, it's not china here to control all existing media. there are media outlets stating that Yanukovich lost most of support he had, of course 2014-03-04 00:17 what I think of it? he wasn't too competent and chickened out where he shouldn't. IOW not a good leader. and what is his function besides that? 2014-03-04 00:19 there's not really very much reasons for even supporters of his party to follow them anymore 2014-03-04 00:20 many* 2014-03-04 00:23 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 00:23 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-03-04 00:24 arielenter1 has quit [Client Quit] 2014-03-04 00:51 wolfspraul has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2014-03-04 00:54 I meant what do you think of the info. true or not. But when it's even available in Russia then it prolly is true 2014-03-04 00:54 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 00:56 I wondered whether this might be propaganda of our western media, just like the "fascists took over the government and are killing people in the streets" is in Russia 2014-03-04 00:56 ahh 2014-03-04 00:57 it was kind cute in those videos, when they dusted off the nazis. 2014-03-04 00:59 it's just too thick. EU is supporting fascists to make them become part of NATO or what? 2014-03-04 01:00 I think that was the logic 2014-03-04 01:00 heck, didn't Russia win WW2, against the fascists, together with their allies that now support fascists in Kiev? 2014-03-04 01:00 EU supports whatever gets the people who matter money. that thing with peaceful european unity and such it just for the sheep 2014-03-04 01:01 and don't forget that most of the participants on WW2 didn't really disagree so much with the nazis but just started to worry that they could get too powerful 2014-03-04 01:02 with russia, there's no such problem. they'rea already big and scary. so no reason to get excited 2014-03-04 01:02 yeah, and Hitler isn't dead, he lives on in an apartment in New York 2014-03-04 01:03 and has tea with Obama each friday afternoon 2014-03-04 01:04 occasionally Zarkozi joins the party 2014-03-04 01:05 and maggi thatcher 2014-03-04 01:05 I'd be surprised when you couldn't find reports about it in Russian TV 2014-03-04 01:06 comparisons of Putin with Hitler are popular with armchair geopoliticists though 2014-03-04 01:06 hmm, that's not what I said 2014-03-04 01:07 comparisons with pretty much anyone you don't like with hitler are kinda popular :) 2014-03-04 01:07 :p 2014-03-04 01:08 but comparison of Russian TV news with NS propaganda, yeah, I'd be willing to actually see where they differ 2014-03-04 01:16 ooh, apropos propaganda: you heard about those russian protection troops in Krim now found Tartar terrorists who carried tons of C4 and a rifle that only russian troops are supposed to have access to? 2014-03-04 01:17 quite embarrassing for russian troops that they lose their guns to terrorists 2014-03-04 01:20 and of course when they busted those terrorists, they "send some joker with a brownie. And you'll see it all complete" 2014-03-04 01:23 http://www.brownie-camera.com/ 2014-03-04 01:27 there was speculation that terroristic acts in Volgograd were state-sponsored 2014-03-04 01:27 at Dec 30 2013 2014-03-04 01:27 while I'm not very eager to jump at that conspiracy train, the evidence was rather interesting 2014-03-04 01:28 root_empire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-04 01:32 * DocScrutinizer05 listens to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Vx5-RRtRw and wonders if thinks really ever change at all 2014-03-04 01:34 Luke-Jr has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-03-04 01:34 not like this was any the same problem, but the methods don't differ 2014-03-04 01:36 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 01:37 whitequark: what I referred to sounded like it happened today or yesterday 2014-03-04 01:42 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 02:20 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 02:44 valhalla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-04 02:46 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 02:47 oooh nice, a class action lawsuit against mtgox: http://www.scribd.com/doc/209741761/Greene-v-MtGox-Inc-Mt-Gox-Class-Action 2014-03-04 03:05 idundidit has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-04 03:06 xiangfu_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 03:08 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-04 03:49 idundidit has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 04:33 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-04 04:38 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 05:37 idundidit has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-03-04 05:37 idundidit has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 06:07 valhalla_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 06:08 valhalla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-04 07:30 xiangfu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-04 07:30 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 07:48 kristianpaul has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-04 07:53 wej_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 07:56 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-03-04 08:00 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 08:28 valhalla_ is now known as valhalla 2014-03-04 08:33 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 08:49 apelete has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-04 08:52 wpwrak has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-04 08:54 haha this is great: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhwT3LsIIAAkaS9.jpg:large 2014-03-04 08:55 caption: "Between times, mention that Ukraine is our strategic partner" "Ukraine is our strategic partner" 2014-03-04 09:14 apelete has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 09:34 pcercuei has quit [Quit: brb] 2014-03-04 09:36 xiangfu has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-03-04 09:39 sharek has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 09:39 hi all 2014-03-04 09:40 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 09:41 please, anyone can help me? I disabled the gp2x menu at start according the wiki, but I'm trying to clear the screen at boot (ash starts fine, with some text overlapped) the man of ash don't clarify me nothing about that 2014-03-04 09:41 *at boot= after boot 2014-03-04 09:46 maybe disabling openwrt splash screen? 2014-03-04 09:46 wej_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-04 09:51 sounds like a plan 2014-03-04 09:51 running `reset` should also fix it, iirc 2014-03-04 09:54 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 09:55 larsc: you talk to me? 2014-03-04 09:55 i'm talking about ben nanonote 2014-03-04 09:55 (sorry about that) 2014-03-04 09:55 in inittab ? 2014-03-04 09:56 tty1::respawn:/bin/ash --login 2014-03-04 09:57 this is my current line 2014-03-04 10:01 no, i want the boot process do it for me 2014-03-04 10:01 without type every time i boot the ben 2014-03-04 10:02 clear or reset 2014-03-04 10:03 disabling bootsplash sounds good, is the best choice (i prefer verbose :) but I don't know how to do that 2014-03-04 10:03 openwork bootsplash is cool, but isn't useful 2014-03-04 10:09 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 10:14 fixed: added command in /etc/profile... dirty ;,,( 2014-03-04 10:15 bye! 2014-03-04 10:15 sharek has quit [Quit: sharek] 2014-03-04 10:17 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-03-04 10:26 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 10:32 paul_boddie has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 10:33 sharek: In case no-one responded already, I found that "clear" targeted at the console did the trick. 2014-03-04 10:33 See: http://hgweb.boddie.org.uk/qi-emdebian/file/1ab568f9521e/preinit 2014-03-04 10:34 At some point I'll probably figure out the bootsplash stuff, but "clear" is a quick hack. 2014-03-04 10:36 As the link indicates, I put this in the /etc/preinit file, which is the thing the OpenWrt kernel wants to call as its init program, I think. 2014-03-04 10:36 * paul_boddie hopes that sharek reads the logs. 2014-03-04 10:36 paul_boddie has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2014-03-04 10:52 no wpwrak?! 2014-03-04 10:52 DocScrutinizer05: I received the hypophosphite, 1kg of it 2014-03-04 10:53 I am surely by now not on a communist list but also on terrorist list in America 2014-03-04 11:12 hmm, terrorist list? why that? 2014-03-04 11:17 terrorists surely make meth to undermine glorious american capitalist dream 2014-03-04 11:18 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 11:19 wpwrak has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 11:56 MtGox - HAHA I wasn't aware of the details. Now I see why not a single further request to accept bitcoins been uttered towards Neo900 during last month 2014-03-04 11:57 DocScrutinizer05: fyi: BTC is back to $650, presumably after announce that in UK it is not subject to VAT 2014-03-04 11:57 mtgox didn't even make a sizable dent. 2014-03-04 11:58 nor it was ever widely used in Europe (which I think is your primary audience?) 2014-03-04 12:00 I won't touch such crap like bitcoin with a 10-feet-pole 2014-03-04 12:00 mtgox wasn't widely used for something like last year 2014-03-04 12:00 and its problems are not bitcoin related - it was NIH syndrom of mtgox devs resulting in crappy, buggy PHP code :P 2014-03-04 12:00 ^ that 2014-03-04 12:01 there is absolutely nothing in the mtgox case which was caused by bitcoin or even technology at all, and everything caused by managerial incompetence and/or fraud 2014-03-04 12:02 exactly 2014-03-04 12:02 so what's wrong with bitcoin? 2014-03-04 12:02 which is the core problem of bitcoin (as well as paypal btw) 2014-03-04 12:03 how do you mean? 2014-03-04 12:03 the only problem with bitcoin I can see is that with "standard" currencies, when bank software makes terrible mistakes, usually they can reverse that - at least to some extend 2014-03-04 12:04 I'd rather print my own currency than trust in that of some other shady geek 2014-03-04 12:04 wej_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 12:04 with bitcoin it's hardly reversible 2014-03-04 12:04 DocScrutinizer05: bitcoin protocol is entirely published and has been verified by thousands of cryptoanalysts, malicious and not, to be secure 2014-03-04 12:05 DocScrutinizer05: "shady geeks" you refer to are just other bitcoin users like anyone else 2014-03-04 12:05 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-03-04 12:05 so what? the concept still is not backed up by anybody trustworthy 2014-03-04 12:05 it doesn't have to 2014-03-04 12:05 actually it's not backed up by anything 2014-03-04 12:05 define "backed up" 2014-03-04 12:05 you don't have to use any exchange at all in fact 2014-03-04 12:05 and the protocol is backed by pretty strong math 2014-03-04 12:05 or better, explain what specifically you are afraid of 2014-03-04 12:06 well, you need to buy the first bitcoins 2014-03-04 12:06 or you need someone kind enough to give you some 2014-03-04 12:06 DocScrutinizer05: if you are afraid that as a merchant you will lose your bitcoins due to untrusted third party, there's been several solutions to that 2014-03-04 12:06 ysionneau: you can buy btc from some other person 2014-03-04 12:06 ah yes indeed 2014-03-04 12:07 1) if you want to store your funds in bitcoin, there are wallets which do not depend on any external server and are entirely open-source 2014-03-04 12:07 in fact you do not even need an internet connection 2014-03-04 12:07 I'm afraid I better "trade" with kauri shells than bitcoins 2014-03-04 12:07 2) if you want rather to immediately receive USD, that is not a problem too. coinbase.com is a service for merchants which accepts BTC and in the next second gives old good USD to you. 2014-03-04 12:08 so you don't even have to deal with BTC at all 2014-03-04 12:08 most merchants I'm aware of are using coinbase or similar services, of course 2014-03-04 12:08 whitequark: and whom I sue when that transaction at coinbase fails? 2014-03-04 12:09 DocScrutinizer05: coinbase. they have a proper license and a contract covering your ass 2014-03-04 12:09 with paypal I at least know they are a registered bank at least in Luxemburg 2014-03-04 12:09 besides, you may simply not do anything until you get paid in USD 2014-03-04 12:09 which doesn't help much when they decide they freeze my account 2014-03-04 12:11 again, you do not have to store anything for significant time on coinbase. you do not hold bitcoins or are exposed to risks related to fluctuating rate 2014-03-04 12:11 honestly, pay me in kauri shells please. I don't accept bitcoins, neither Che Guevara devotionals 2014-03-04 12:11 rz2k has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-04 12:12 there's even a number of officially accepted currencies we won't accept as payment 2014-03-04 12:12 also, no chargebacks with bitcoins 2014-03-04 12:13 exactly 2014-03-04 12:15 isn't that good for you? when I bought my M1, wolfgang complained that he only charged me via VISA because he was sure I wasn't going to make a chargeback 2014-03-04 12:15 that would cost him plenty 2014-03-04 12:15 let me out it simple: when my classical bank will accept it as payment to my account, I'm fine with it 2014-03-04 12:16 s/out/put 2014-03-04 12:16 DocScrutinizer05 meant: "let me put it simple: when my classical bank will accept it as payment to my account, I'm fine with it" 2014-03-04 12:16 yeah, when my classical bank stops raping me in the ass for attempting an international payment, I'll maybe make a transfer to you with USD 2014-03-04 12:16 not my problem 2014-03-04 12:17 I rather take the risk of chargebacks that the risk of dealing with bitcoins and all that ensues, incl explaining those transaction to tax office 2014-03-04 12:18 Germany issued an official statement on bitcoin taxation btw 2014-03-04 12:18 s/that/than 2014-03-04 12:18 DocScrutinizer05 meant: "I rather take the risk of chargebacks than the risk of dealing with bitcoins and all than ensues, incl explaining those transaction to tax office" 2014-03-04 12:18 e.g. http://techcrunch.com/2013/08/19/germany-recognizes-bitcoin-as-private-money-sales-tax-coming-soon/ 2014-03-04 12:18 see "PRIVATE"? aka "intra-company" 2014-03-04 12:19 though yes, I can see how that can be problematic for you. now you're talking sensible 2014-03-04 12:19 >Member of Parliament Frank Schaeffler considers Bitcoin mining as private money creation, and says that the same fiscal and legal rules should apply to Euros and Bitcoins 2014-03-04 12:19 same legal rules 2014-03-04 12:20 "member of Neo900 group Joerg Reisenweber considers bitcoins a PITA and that they should not get accepted by any serious business" 2014-03-04 12:21 "fiscal and legal rules" is about how they treat you right so you'll regret ever touching that thing 2014-03-04 12:21 it's NOT about your rights 2014-03-04 12:22 okay, you have a point 2014-03-04 12:22 it's about your liabilities 2014-03-04 12:23 "private money creation" is basically a crime 2014-03-04 12:23 at least almost 2014-03-04 12:23 Ministry of Finance doesn't quite think so 2014-03-04 12:23 one step from trial 2014-03-04 12:24 though I agree we'll have to wait a little longer to see how the whole policy will look like 2014-03-04 12:25 I'm afraid when we discuss this another hour, I will accept Kauri shells *only* 2014-03-04 12:25 you seem to have gained a level or two of paranoia, I wonder why :) 2014-03-04 12:26 because my experience with banks and authorities 2014-03-04 12:27 and because I expected axactly the Mtgox thing happen from beginning, I even suspect the whole bitcoin plot been tailored to pull off exactly that 2014-03-04 12:28 they created a new business and as such it hadn't installed any proper surveillance rules by any authority 2014-03-04 12:30 dealing with Kauri shells, would I hand my fortune to a traveling salesman who promises to me he keeps them safe and I can access them any time? 2014-03-04 12:30 "where can I find you?" "Oh, in Hong Kong" 2014-03-04 12:30 nah, you keep them yourself or deal in gold 2014-03-04 12:30 which is exactly what all reasonable people did: avoided mtgox at all 2014-03-04 12:31 I shall remind you that "mtgox" means "magic the gathering online exchange". if THAT doesn't ring any bells, you must be dumb as a brick 2014-03-04 12:31 no, probably even dumber 2014-03-04 12:31 even while mtgox worked you could only withdraw USD (and I think BTC?) twice a year 2014-03-04 12:32 during last year or so it was complete PITA to withdraw anything from them 2014-03-04 12:32 I honestly do not understand why so many people sticked to mtgox at all 2014-03-04 12:32 and withdrawing BTC was PITA even longer 2014-03-04 12:32 it was just plain out miserable 2014-03-04 12:32 I never dealt with them after a brief look at how they worked, for the matter 2014-03-04 12:33 I do not understand why so many people invest in bitcoins 2014-03-04 12:33 every advantage I could imagine you possibly could come up is actually a disadvantage in my book 2014-03-04 12:34 sharek has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 12:34 hi 2014-03-04 12:34 bitcoins are pretty cool if you're not afraid of price fluctations and you know how to get taxing sorted out 2014-03-04 12:35 ooh, "cool" for sure is an argument for a company to deal with bitcoins ;-) 2014-03-04 12:35 bitcoins are valuable as a technology. on other hand, people are quite hyped up on it and that drives their market value up unreasonably 2014-03-04 12:35 you said about "people investing in bitcoins", not companies :) 2014-03-04 12:35 this is inevitable for any new technology though 2014-03-04 12:36 hmm, I consider AmEx cooler 2014-03-04 12:37 anyway, as a technology, it's really awesome and when you look at how it works, it might spawn lots of amazing things based on similar blockchain/proof-of-work concepts ,even not related to money 2014-03-04 12:37 even Diners is "cooler" than BTC 2014-03-04 12:38 I'm a big fan of BTC-the-technology 2014-03-04 12:38 bitcoin's single most important achievement is showing that currency may be backed not by threat of violence but a mathematical proof 2014-03-04 12:38 with BTC-the-economy I'm a bit more careful though ;) 2014-03-04 12:38 no one can or ever will be able to freeze your account in BTC or forbid to transfer funds to someone they did not like 2014-03-04 12:38 uhuh 2014-03-04 12:39 I can even think of iptables rules that stop bitcoin 2014-03-04 12:39 and where would you add those rules? 2014-03-04 12:39 quite easy to workaround, I'd say 2014-03-04 12:40 and 100% monitoring by agnecies guaranteed 2014-03-04 12:40 bitcoin inherently has a public ledger. it is monitored not only by agencies but all parties that may be interested 2014-03-04 12:40 and you can prepare "cold transaction" offline and just inject it somewhere else to the online chain 2014-03-04 12:41 in fact, bitcoin is *not* anonymous in the slightest 2014-03-04 12:41 bitcoin is pseudonymous by design 2014-03-04 12:41 so much for coolness 2014-03-04 12:41 it is rather sad to see how much FUD spreads bitcoin 2014-03-04 12:42 dare I guess someone--perhaps those "traditional" banks--are afraid of it? ;) 2014-03-04 12:42 maybe 2014-03-04 12:42 but something isn't good just becuase bad entities are afraid of it 2014-03-04 12:43 maybe it's even worse than those bad entities 2014-03-04 12:43 that's what they want you to believe 2014-03-04 12:43 that's what my logic tells me 2014-03-04 12:44 I never liked any form of electronix payment 2014-03-04 12:44 heh. anyway. I have studied the technological basis for it extensively and used it also, not for speculation but rather for useful payments 2014-03-04 12:44 because it has potential to surveillance that we recently learned is not feeling confortable 2014-03-04 12:44 and while it is certainly flawed I consider it a step forward 2014-03-04 12:45 forward direction 1984 2014-03-04 12:45 sure 2014-03-04 12:46 BTC is the solution for a problem that doesn't eist. and it creates new problems for which there is no solution (except ignoring them) 2014-03-04 12:46 exist, even 2014-03-04 12:46 if you want to hide your identity, there's Zerocoin 2014-03-04 12:46 a bitcoin extension using provable crypto to ensure coins cannot be traced 2014-03-04 12:47 BS, there is real money for that 2014-03-04 12:47 everything else is a delusion 2014-03-04 12:47 you mean "cash"? quite inconvenient for me to handle you cash when you're 2000km from me 2014-03-04 12:48 perfect anonymity - on 2000km distance you won't know me 2014-03-04 12:48 well, decide what you want. no trade via internet at all? 2014-03-04 12:48 perhaps you suggest we all just go back to shepherding. surely no 1984 that way 2014-03-04 12:49 huh? was it me who asked for perfect anonymity? 2014-03-04 12:49 what was your 1984 comment all about? 2014-03-04 12:49 that there can be no untraceable electronic payment? I just told you that there is 2014-03-04 12:49 haha 2014-03-04 12:50 there is no untraceable electronic. period 2014-03-04 12:50 there is. paper: http://zerocoin.org/media/pdf/ZerocoinOakland.pdf, explanation: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/04/zerocoin-making-bitcoin-anonymous.html 2014-03-04 12:51 I get it that this been a ps to your last statement, no an answer to my last one 2014-03-04 12:51 an answer 2014-03-04 12:52 and you're dpoing those zerocoin transactions on your abacus and transfer info via smoke signals? 2014-03-04 12:52 that is one valid way to do it, yes 2014-03-04 12:53 go ahead, write a RFC, I might become a fan 2014-03-04 12:53 I'm practically serious. go print a transaction, inject it from any public computer or public WiFi you have access to 2014-03-04 12:53 of course, if an agent is standing right behind your back, it is traceable. but so is cash. 2014-03-04 12:54 or wait, I think I consider coins made of silver (or other metal, or even paper) more convenient to use 2014-03-04 12:54 no computer needed 2014-03-04 12:54 now let me pay for neo900 with silver coins 2014-03-04 12:54 OH WAIT 2014-03-04 12:55 I can't, for some reason you fail to understand 2014-03-04 12:55 and once everybody accepts that dealing with currency involves a computer, you might one day find real money not being accepted anymore 2014-03-04 12:55 well.. people do. 2014-03-04 12:55 its called euro and plastic card *ducks* 2014-03-04 12:55 meh, sorry, afk 2014-03-04 12:56 np 2014-03-04 12:56 for that matter, there are physical manifestations of bitcoin, if you need that kind of convenience. you can get metal coins, you can print the code on paper 2014-03-04 12:57 (also what roh said) 2014-03-04 13:00 ((now let me pay for neo900 with silver coins)) [2014-03-04 13:15:39] let me put it simple: when my classical bank will accept it as payment to my account, I'm fine with it 2014-03-04 13:01 I'm not accepting any direct payment to my hand, please make all payments to Neo900 bank account 2014-03-04 13:02 I'm not dealing drugs, you know ;-) 2014-03-04 13:05 my bank is estabilshing a minimum level of accountability for any transaction I have to handle. No way to establish that when you pass money to me directly 2014-03-04 13:06 you know how paypal started, and what's been the original purpose. 2014-03-04 13:10 take over the world 2014-03-04 13:12 DocScrutinizer05: I don't think I follow 2014-03-04 13:12 I don't buy groceries with bank transfer 2014-03-04 13:12 do you equate all retail sector with dealing drugs or what? 2014-03-04 13:13 you hardly buy groceries for several hundred EUR 2014-03-04 13:13 and regularly you hold them in your hand while paying and take away 2014-03-04 13:14 that actually happened quite a bit with my family, buying groceries for entire family for 2w or 4w 2014-03-04 13:14 you're free to visit me at Nue and pay for a Neo900 I hand to you, in silver coins 2014-03-04 13:15 so what are you bothered with, possibility of fraud? or nonaccountability of transaction by your bank? 2014-03-04 13:15 or do you order at a grocery 200km away from your home, and send the money in advance, in a snailmail letter? 2014-03-04 13:16 is it rant day already ? :) 2014-03-04 13:16 yup 2014-03-04 13:16 DocScrutinizer05: not 200km but I ordered groceries from 20km away from my home, and send money in advance (if through VISA) 2014-03-04 13:16 AHA! 2014-03-04 13:16 see, you can do same for Neo900 2014-03-04 13:17 but not with bitcoins, because... tell me why exactly? 2014-03-04 13:17 I want to understand 2014-03-04 13:17 groceries that need to be shipped for 20 km ... that must have been a crate of mineral water not containing vodka 2014-03-04 13:17 try to convince my bank to accept bitcoins and I don't mind 2014-03-04 13:18 wpwrak: nah. http://utkonos.ru/. think of it as amazon for groceries 2014-03-04 13:18 they have a wide logistics network and no retail stores. hence cheaper product for same quality, and *very* cheap delivery 2014-03-04 13:18 ((now let me pay for neo900 with silver coins)) [2014-03-04 13:15:39] let me put it simple: when my classical bank will accept it as payment to my account, I'm fine with it 2014-03-04 13:18 on order of $2 per order of a dozen kg 2014-03-04 13:18 DocScrutinizer05: so your final and only requirement is that you want your bank to accept bitcoins 2014-03-04 13:19 it can't be helped then, we'll just have to wait. *shrug* 2014-03-04 13:19 why should I want that 2014-03-04 13:19 requirement for accepting bitcoins, I mean 2014-03-04 13:19 I actually have no word in what my bank accepts as currency 2014-03-04 13:19 whitequark: he dosn't want your money :) 2014-03-04 13:19 wpwrak: figured it already 2014-03-04 13:20 yes, exactly, I don't want any money, I want my bank to handle that money 2014-03-04 13:20 DocScrutinizer05: so to hprase it another way, you want solely your bank to deal with your money 2014-03-04 13:20 I see 2014-03-04 13:20 I never will touch it 2014-03-04 13:20 it's dirty anyway 2014-03-04 13:20 well, unless you get it laundered 2014-03-04 13:20 maybe ask at your bank if they offer that service 2014-03-04 13:20 DocScrutinizer05: okay, I understand your position now. nothing to add here. 2014-03-04 13:23 I'm running a business which can't hold silver coins in a kitty under the pillow. and I have a hard time with accounting when I pay money to the account that is not my money 2014-03-04 13:24 well, it seems other businesses cope with no problems. but I am in no position to give advice on running a business 2014-03-04 13:25 try to pay with bitcoins at farnel, or digikey 2014-03-04 13:26 or your grocery 2014-03-04 13:26 why do you think my business is any different to theirs? 2014-03-04 13:27 I told you [2014-03-04 14:14:22] you're free to visit me at Nue and pay for a Neo900 I hand to you, in silver coins 2014-03-04 13:27 I pay my homeowner and VoIP bills with BTC. I've bought games and tech with BTC before. I'm planning to buy my next work laptop with BTC. 2014-03-04 13:28 I#ll write a reciepe and fine 2014-03-04 13:28 you're free to do that 2014-03-04 13:29 I'm not sure what are you arguing about. BTC adoption can not happen overnight. I know some people are accepting it, therefore it is totally possible. 2014-03-04 13:29 of course, you are free to disregard it 2014-03-04 13:30 I'm free to not consider contracting a service that charges me a substantial share of every transaction for processing BTC. It's PITA enough to do same for CC 2014-03-04 13:31 DocScrutinizer05: a substantial share? coinbase charges 0% below first $1m and 1% above that 2014-03-04 13:31 I bet VISA charges more 2014-03-04 13:31 GDC doesn't even offer paypal, since their conditions are unbearable 2014-03-04 13:31 wtf coinbase 2014-03-04 13:31 processor 2014-03-04 13:32 will it cooperate with my bank? without me handling every single transaction personally? 2014-03-04 13:32 kristianpaul has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-04 13:33 that is the idea 2014-03-04 13:33 can it get intzegrated into webshops? 2014-03-04 13:33 obviously 2014-03-04 13:33 into brick and mortar shops as well 2014-03-04 13:33 mhm, then suggest it to GDC 2014-03-04 13:33 I will surely do 2014-03-04 13:34 I'm not touching BTC and I'm not touching silver coins sent to me in envelopes 2014-03-04 13:34 I *only* talk tto my bank 2014-03-04 13:34 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 13:35 what's not happening there on my account didn't happen 2014-03-04 13:37 personal anecdote about bitcoin: I've bought a bunch, a few weeks ago 2014-03-04 13:38 today they have almost exact same USD value as back then. however the RUB in my traditional bank account have devalued by at least 10% and are falling further. 2014-03-04 13:39 (I hope it is obvious in no way I am defending stability of bitcoin with this anecdote) 2014-03-04 13:42 sent a letter to Nikolaus 2014-03-04 14:33 kristianpaul has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-04 14:35 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 14:41 good 2014-03-04 15:27 anyone knows how to enable verbose mode at boot-time in NanoNote? 2014-03-04 15:27 I using the official OpenWRT firmware 2014-03-04 15:28 any help or tip can be appreciated :) 2014-03-04 15:33 you mean for kernel? or userspace? 2014-03-04 15:34 for kernel use parameter loglevel=1 2014-03-04 15:34 er =7 2014-03-04 15:34 all of them can be fine :) 2014-03-04 15:34 I'm not sure if userspace even has a verbose switch in general 2014-03-04 15:34 ask at #openwrt perhaps 2014-03-04 15:34 thanks whitequark 2014-03-04 15:50 cat /proc/cmdline 2014-03-04 15:50 mem=32M console= console=ttyS0,57600n8 ubi.mtd=2 rootfstype=ubifs root=ubi0:rootfs rw rootwait consoleblank=30 quiet 2014-03-04 15:50 and here my next question.... (n00b) never I used the u-boot, how to change the kernel parameters? 2014-03-04 15:51 I tried to search about them... no one clarify me this simple point 2014-03-04 15:55 prolly embedded in kerne 2014-03-04 15:55 l 2014-03-04 15:55 sharek: ask in #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 15:55 for NanoNote-related stuff 2014-03-04 15:55 This is not the correct channel ¿? 2014-03-04 15:56 >.> 2014-03-04 15:56 sorry, I thought we were in a different one 2014-03-04 15:56 anyway. I think that the command line is hardcoded in the kernel 2014-03-04 15:56 make menuconfig -> kernel hacking 2014-03-04 15:57 should be there 2014-03-04 15:58 Seems the kernel sources are not in the openwrt default firmware 2014-03-04 16:00 http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/qi-kernel/ 2014-03-04 16:00 thanks pcercuei 2014-03-04 16:01 is frustrating to do anything with this device... I love it, but is harder to use ;,,,( 2014-03-04 16:08 buy a gcw zero :) 2014-03-04 16:10 I have a wiz and canoo similar machine and similar result ;,,( 2014-03-04 16:14 idundidit has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-04 16:15 idundidit has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 16:15 anyone use NanoNote in a osx ? 2014-03-04 16:16 is the only machine i have there 2014-03-04 16:16 sharek: is it any different from other *nix? 2014-03-04 16:18 no, is a bsd 2014-03-04 16:18 but, i want to use the user interface (easy click) to do that... 2014-03-04 16:19 without touch iptables or similar 2014-03-04 16:19 if broke or misconfigure anything, my geeky friend kills me 2014-03-04 16:19 >XD 2014-03-04 16:19 bsd is *nix too 2014-03-04 16:20 yes 2014-03-04 16:20 but this is not the question CYB3R 2014-03-04 16:20 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 16:20 i want to configure share wifi connection with an "out of the box" osx 2014-03-04 16:20 I think you should put all you iptables routines into a single sh file 2014-03-04 16:20 then make it executable 2014-03-04 16:20 then run it whenever you need it 2014-03-04 16:21 use console and command line is useful when cannot do without other methods 2014-03-04 16:21 i think you have a prejudice with use graphical user interface? 2014-03-04 16:22 what's wrong with that? 2014-03-04 16:23 3 or 4 clicks can do the same as many hours of commands and keypresses 2014-03-04 16:23 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 16:23 i like the console, but not in my machines 2014-03-04 16:23 sorry 2014-03-04 16:23 i misspeled 2014-03-04 16:23 *but not in "not mine" machines 2014-03-04 16:27 in qi-hardware have an entry with link, but the link is broken 2014-03-04 16:29 usbnet is working fine... but I cannot make the last step, share internet 2014-03-04 16:29 and osx have a easy to use graphical utility for that 2014-03-04 16:50 root@BenNanoNote:~# ping www.google.com 2014-03-04 16:50 PING www.google.com (173.194.41.242): 56 data bytes 2014-03-04 16:50 64 bytes from 173.194.41.242: seq=0 ttl=61 time=1186.279 ms 2014-03-04 16:50 64 bytes from 173.194.41.242: seq=1 ttl=61 time=1185.440 ms 2014-03-04 16:50 :) 2014-03-04 17:02 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-04 17:12 wej_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-03-04 17:14 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 17:17 bye 2014-03-04 17:17 sharek has quit [Quit: sharek] 2014-03-04 17:44 dandon_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 17:53 dandon has quit [*.net *.split] 2014-03-04 18:00 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 18:03 michael_lee has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-04 18:06 viric has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-04 18:14 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 19:01 snufkintardis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 19:37 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-04 19:38 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 20:12 snufkin has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-04 21:52 Flexcoin is shutting down. http://flexcoin.com/ 2014-03-04 21:52 interesting "On March 2nd 2014 Flexcoin was attacked and robbed of all coins in the hot wallet. The attacker made off with 896 BTC" 2014-03-04 21:58 did evolution declaring dinosaurs unfit for survival mean that it had given up on life on earth ? :) 2014-03-04 22:19 uh? 2014-03-04 22:20 I wonder how the heck you can rob BTC when they actually are tracked by some infra that verifies each transaction 2014-03-04 22:21 wouldn't $somebody be able to track the single bitcoin down to the single transaction when they ever get used? 2014-03-04 22:22 on a second thought, please don't explain it to me, I don't wanna know it 2014-03-04 22:24 LOL >>All other users will be directed to Flexcoin's "Terms of service" located at "Flexcoin.com/118.html" a document which was agreed on, upon signing up with Flexcoin.<< 2014-03-04 22:26 >>We have taken every precaution to defend your bitcoins from hackers and/or intruders. However, Flexcoin Inc is not responsible for insuring any bitcoins stored in the Flexcoin system. You are entering into this agreement with Flexcoin Inc. You agree to not hold Flexcoin Inc, or Flexcoin Inc's stakeholders, or Flexcoin Inc's shareholders liable for any lost bitcoins.<< ROTFL 2014-03-04 22:26 how to plot a legal rip-off 2014-03-04 22:27 worth a ~USD 800k 2014-03-04 22:27 maybe I should start to be interested in that bitcoin stuff 2014-03-04 22:28 hard to make more money with less risk and investment 2014-03-04 22:32 WTF?! >>When transferring bitcoins from Flexcoin ID to an external bitcoin address, there is a fee of either 0.01 BTC or one-half of one percent of the total transfer amount, whichever is greater.<< 2014-03-04 22:33 1 BTC = ~500..1000USD ? 2014-03-04 22:36 DocScrutinizer05: it's a crazy world :) 2014-03-04 22:37 s/crazy/stupid/ 2014-03-04 22:41 pcercuei has quit [Quit: drunk dodo] 2014-03-04 22:44 try a SWIFT transfer. there you'll also find charges in this order. also, you have to add a "tip" to any BTC transaction anyway, to get the miners to process it 2014-03-04 22:45 so the concept is quite well-established already. maybe they're a bit expensive 2014-03-04 22:48 where's the most up to date source of information for the nanonote? Active development, experimentation, etc. 2014-03-04 22:48 which is all I seen 2014-03-04 22:49 they ask for 10$ for transferring to any destination, and for 30$ for moving BTC to "cold storage" 2014-03-04 22:50 snufkin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-04 22:50 snufkintardis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-04 22:50 and regarding switft: nope, my transfer to the Galden shop been not that expensive iirc 2014-03-04 22:51 but maybe I forgot because of too much anger seeing the 30EUR going up to 60EUR 2014-03-04 22:51 ? 2014-03-04 22:51 idundidit: hmm, a number of people are using it but there's relatively little publicly visible development 2014-03-04 22:52 I've had mine for a few years now... bought it from sharism.cc, but it's just sitting there looking lonely 2014-03-04 22:52