2014-03-01 00:03 no, both have vertical controls multiplexed 2014-03-01 00:04 the Z also has a lot faster updates. Ethernet, DPO, a lot more memory, and so on 2014-03-01 00:05 oh, right, then I've been lied to 2014-03-01 00:07 the DS1000E or D are basically cleaned up DS1000C or CD (D and CD have MSO, crappy in the case of CD, apparently somewhat usable in the case of D) 2014-03-01 00:24 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 00:25 wej_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-03-01 00:51 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-03-01 00:52 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-03-01 00:53 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 00:56 wolfspra1l has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-01 01:08 pcercuei_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 01:11 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-01 01:40 kanzure_ is now known as kanzure 2014-03-01 01:52 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-01 01:58 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 02:00 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-01 02:13 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 02:28 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 02:53 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-03-01 03:06 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 03:14 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-01 03:52 pcercuei_ has quit [Quit: dodpodododododdo] 2014-03-01 04:09 nicksydney has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-01 04:09 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 05:09 interesting: another OSS GSM box? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/02/cellulars-open-source-future-is-latched-to-tallest-tree-in-the-village/2/ 2014-03-01 05:38 Does pcbnew completely ignore origins that are placed, or am I doing something wrong? It keeps outputting data with respect the the page corner, and I don't want that. 2014-03-01 08:05 unclouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-03-01 08:06 unclouded_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 08:19 valhalla_ is now known as valhalla 2014-03-01 08:20 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-03-01 08:25 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 09:32 apelete has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 10:11 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 10:28 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 10:45 shevek: there's that user-defines origin but few enough things seem to care about it. not entirely sure which ones do - you sometimes have the option of selecting the coordinate system 2014-03-01 10:45 what i generally do is renormalize the coordinates. that way, kicad is free to do whatever it wants, as long as it doesn't contracdict itself ;) 2014-03-01 11:23 FDCX has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-01 11:34 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 11:57 hmm, in addition to the t* (today) commands, qi-bot could also use a set of m* (last month) and maybe w* (last week) filters. that way, one could capture recent trends. 2014-03-01 11:58 e.g., wolfgang, in two manifestations, holds the second place in the words ranking, yet he hasn't said anything for months 2014-03-01 11:59 meanwhile, DocScrutinizer and whitequark who clearly dominated traffic in the last weeks, are placed well below me and - if adding his two nicks - also wolfgang 2014-03-01 12:05 !top 2014-03-01 12:06 hm, how was that 2014-03-01 12:07 pcercuei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-01 12:08 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 12:09 xiangfu has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-03-01 12:12 ornoterm1s is now known as Ornotermes 2014-03-01 12:19 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 12:27 hmm? 2014-03-01 12:28 lilvinz- has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 2014-03-01 12:30 lilvinz has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 12:42 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 13:42 top10 2014-03-01 13:59 wpwrak: Yes, it has "Place the origin point for drill and place files", and "Set the origin point for the grid", but neither seems to have any effect. The user interface still uses the page corner as (0,0) and so does the exported drill file and the gerber. 2014-03-01 14:00 How do you renormalize them? 2014-03-01 14:00 I use pcb2gcode for preparing it for a mill, but that doesn't have that option. 2014-03-01 14:06 (origins) yes, that's what i meant 2014-03-01 14:07 i renormalize in my tools that i use for pcb milling and such. the centerpiece of them is cameo, http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/cae-tools/source/tree/master/cameo 2014-03-01 16:10 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 16:15 That looks very useful. gnuplot format is just whitespace-separated 3-column data? What sort of output does it generate for drilling? 2014-03-01 16:16 (I should really find a way to make this client produce sound when something happens here. :-P) 2014-03-01 16:18 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 16:21 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-01 16:43 FDCX has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-01 16:56 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 17:11 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 17:13 arielenter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-01 17:57 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-03-01 18:03 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 18:29 believe me you won't love that feature, unless you implement something really smart that doesn't wake your neighbors at night when the client yells for every single line posted 2014-03-01 18:30 a timeout after signal of maybe 10min minimum could pan out 2014-03-01 18:30 what? 2014-03-01 18:30 whitequark: beep on every new post in this channel 2014-03-01 18:31 whitequark: >>(I should really find a way to make this client produce sound when something happens here.<< 2014-03-01 18:31 oh 2014-03-01 18:32 one beep for a new line after 15min of no posts at all might work 2014-03-01 18:33 btw I made a prototype silkscreen stencil CAM 2014-03-01 18:33 turns out I'm terrible with dispensing of the aerosol 2014-03-01 18:33 it too flows under the stencil 2014-03-01 18:33 hmmm, idea: make the stencil out of duct tape. it would nicely glue itself to the board. 2014-03-01 18:34 oooh yes, this is the best one I had entire week 2014-03-01 18:34 they'd be onetime use only and hard to align though 2014-03-01 18:45 porchaso0 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 18:46 porchao has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-01 18:53 DocScrutinizer05: I turn off the sound when I'm sleeping, so that shouldn't be a problem. ;-) 2014-03-01 18:58 well 2014-03-01 18:59 seems almost every IRC client has that sort of notification you're looking for 2014-03-01 18:59 when highlight option looks for regex, you use .* 2014-03-01 19:00 et voila, beep on every line posted 2014-03-01 19:04 shevek: i just output gnuplot again. my mill uses the rml-1 format, a proprietary bastardized version of hp-gl. so i have a program that reads gnuplut and generated rml-1: http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/cae-tools/source/tree/master/gp2rml 2014-03-01 19:04 shuold be easy to adapt this to generate gerber 2014-03-01 19:06 [commit] Werner Almesberger: ircstat/mlstat: change "milkymist" label to "m-labs" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/b64d467 2014-03-01 19:06 [commit] Werner Almesberger: ircstat/ML: update for 2014-02 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/84ad9d4 2014-03-01 19:08 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders why putin seems firmly determined to act like an asshat *always*. Support dictators everywhere, act imperialistic like China, and pose like a gay idiot while outlawing free speech that isn't homophobic enough (is this a problem he has with his own?) 2014-03-01 19:11 my best bet: because he is a deranged, paranoid asshat 2014-03-01 19:11 sadly not deranged enough to clearly not be suited for the position 2014-03-01 19:20 reagan, chavez, bush, kirchner, ... i'd rather say a major mental disorder is a job requirement ;-) 2014-03-01 19:20 well, let's add maduro. not playing in the same league, though 2014-03-01 19:22 kirchner is pretty hot. I'm taking it she's even less qualified as a president then? 2014-03-01 19:22 oh: "Critics of Kirchner's administration charged it with corruption, crony capitalism, falsification of public statistics, harassment of Argentina's independent media and use of the tax agency as a censorship tool." 2014-03-01 19:23 yeah, that's a good introduction 2014-03-01 19:24 "hot" .. in the sense of attractive ? hmm, how do you like merkel ? she's a couple of years younger ... 2014-03-01 19:25 :D 2014-03-01 19:25 wow, you're not joking 2014-03-01 19:34 I wonder if Putin really considered that Ukraine is protected by the atomic forces who guaranteed national integrity for Ukraine in exchange for Ukraine abandoning atomic weapons left over from USSR 2014-03-01 19:35 and what would these atomic forces do against another atomic force, with a deranged paranoic in charge? 2014-03-01 19:35 basically, when Russia dares to send military to Ukraine, USA, GB, France would have to send troops and weapons to help defend the country against the agressor 2014-03-01 19:36 and yes, in the end this could cause WW3 2014-03-01 19:36 DocScrutinizer05: see, the problem is that there are existing treaties between UA and RU which permit this troop movement 2014-03-01 19:36 so while this is clearly provocative, it was agreed upon earlier 2014-03-01 19:36 movement maybe 2014-03-01 19:37 if it escalates further, yes, it could be a big problem. 2014-03-01 19:37 indeed 2014-03-01 19:38 FDCX has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-01 19:38 it is sad but probably true that US/UK/FR should rather ignore the treaty, or at least not escalate it through military. 2014-03-01 19:40 russian troops may be allowed to *move* to their Krim base through Ukraine, but what happens when some Krim Tartars don't like that and start shooting at those transports? The russian troops damn sure have no permission to fight civilians (or anybody, on that behalf) on Ukrainian territory 2014-03-01 19:41 if they get attacked first they have an excuse 2014-03-01 19:42 which is apparently exactly what is planned 2014-03-01 19:50 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 19:56 kiskam has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 19:57 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-03-01 20:01 viric has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 2014-03-01 20:02 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 20:02 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 20:03 kiskam has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-01 20:17 yes, that's what I guess is planned and will cause a shitload of trouble 2014-03-01 20:18 with no way out 2014-03-01 20:19 that's why I asked why Putin must act like an asshat every single time he has (or hasn't) a chance to 2014-03-01 20:49 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-01 21:05 bah, nobody is going to a big war because of a few ukrainians. everybody knows that poland was a mistake. foreign powers have no business in interfering with reasonable politicians settling local issues. like the US did in iraq. all the NRA would agree that guns bring peace and democracy. 2014-03-01 21:32 Luke-Jr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-01 21:44 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 21:54 ~dict nra 2014-03-01 21:55 national rifle association 2014-03-01 21:55 a rather radical american right-wing pro-gun organization 2014-03-01 21:56 whitequark is now known as infoquark 2014-03-01 21:56 I agree that western politicians are most likely too lame to start a war with russia no matter what russia gonna do in ukraine. And that's what Putin-asshat is counting at 2014-03-01 21:56 or something. 2014-03-01 21:56 infoquark is now known as whitequark 2014-03-01 21:56 DocScrutinizer05: well, I'd surely hope no one is dumb enough to start a war with RU. we don't need WWIII just yet. 2014-03-01 21:57 ack 2014-03-01 21:58 but then that's a carte blanche for dudes like Putin or the chinese trudheads to do whatever they like to their smaller neighbors (btw also for US to do whatever they like anywhere on this planet) 2014-03-01 21:59 I've seen a certain thing voiced: UN was created for one and only one purpose, to keep us from WWIII, at the expense of every non-nuclear state 2014-03-01 21:59 which is rather supported with evidence I'd say 2014-03-01 22:00 at the expense == even by sacrificing ? 2014-03-01 22:00 I guess. 2014-03-01 22:01 I mean, if you think about it: RU has a permanent seat in UN SC. UN by definition cannot prevent anything RU wants to do. 2014-03-01 22:01 it's a real PITA that RU and US obviously both think they can do whatever they like. So does China 2014-03-01 22:03 I wonder about one thing. US is highly dependent on CN, so they cannot really sanction it without having it backfire 2014-03-01 22:03 however RU's economy is rather dependent on the West but not vice versa 2014-03-01 22:04 not that possibility of economic sanctions make me very happy, because that means my life is going to become about 100 times shittier 2014-03-01 22:04 west is dependent on RU gas 2014-03-01 22:04 US is? 2014-03-01 22:04 US maybe not 2014-03-01 22:04 but EU for sure 2014-03-01 22:04 though I can see how it would not be possible to enforce such sanctions unilaterally, due to everything being highly interlocked 2014-03-01 22:05 not to mention it's going to wreck oil&gas market this way or another 2014-03-01 22:05 yep 2014-03-01 22:07 funny thing: deposits of shale gas of enormous quantity which could lessen or remove EU's dependence on RU are in... UA! 2014-03-01 22:07 go figure: western politicians hope for Putin not risking his *image* he improved with sotchi and some diplomatic success in syria(?) 2014-03-01 22:08 putin risking his image? is it not that the image putin strives for is "I can fuck you whatever way I want"? 2014-03-01 22:09 I thought so, yes 2014-03-01 22:10 tbh I'm not sure if sochi even improved his image 2014-03-01 22:10 not really 2014-03-01 22:10 rampant homophobia, absurd levels of corruption 2014-03-01 22:10 I'm sure I missed something 2014-03-01 22:10 "slaves" 2014-03-01 22:11 environment damage 2014-03-01 22:11 illegal immigrants, right 2014-03-01 22:11 KMNO4 and a PCB - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35XBkCElIes&feature=c4-overview&list=UUb-WQjpcQLDoPhoMu2y73iQ 2014-03-01 22:11 DocScrutinizer05: (environment) have I missed smth in particular? 2014-03-01 22:11 not that I doubt it did take place 2014-03-01 22:12 no waste concept 2014-03-01 22:12 oh? 2014-03-01 22:12 waste gets dumped where#s place for a landfill 2014-03-01 22:13 hm. aren't landfills supposed to have waste dumped in them? and isn't most waste in west going to landfills too? 2014-03-01 22:14 sure, but not to wld landfills that are selected by "where#s nobody looking?" 2014-03-01 22:14 wild* 2014-03-01 22:14 ah, gotcha 2014-03-01 22:14 already poisons ground water 2014-03-01 22:14 *nod* 2014-03-01 22:15 and I'm sure regulations for construction in general are dating from USSR 2014-03-01 22:15 and generally it seems all buildings are literally built on sand 2014-03-01 22:15 and I think there was some effort at de-regulating even that, putting it in the hands of industry 2014-03-01 22:15 which is BEST. IDEA. EVER 2014-03-01 22:16 something like, "industry comes up with a standard it likes and then oversees itself implementing it" 2014-03-01 22:16 move from ГОСТ to ТУ, if I understand it correctly, was about that 2014-03-01 22:16 hey, that always works 2014-03-01 22:17 I'm just happy they didn't need to build a nuclear power plant for Sotchi 2014-03-01 22:18 ohhhh power plants. my father told me a few stories he's seen while constructing a high-pressure natural gas plant near Moscow 2014-03-01 22:18 I went and drawn a blast radius on a map after hearing those, just in case 2014-03-01 22:20 fascinating things like, there is *no* security checks on vehicles going *in* the plant (security guy: "hey" driver guy: "hey" gate opens), but there is stringent security on vehicles going *out* 2014-03-01 22:20 to ensure nothing is stolen 2014-03-01 22:20 and workers are actually Turkey men on 14-day rotation, the construction company books a charter plane for all of them 2014-03-01 22:20 14 days is how long workers can be in RU without registering 2014-03-01 22:21 construction (overseed by a reputable western company) should've been taking 1.5 years but is already taking more than 6 2014-03-01 22:21 etc 2014-03-01 22:21 I've made sure to live no closer than 15km from that station 2014-03-01 22:31 lol 2014-03-01 22:39 rz2k has quit [] 2014-03-01 23:01 pcercuei has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2014-03-01 23:01 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 23:12 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 23:17 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 23:20 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-01 23:21 arielenter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-01 23:29 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 23:40 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 23:40 arielenter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-01 23:42 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 23:46 arielenter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-03-01 23:50 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-01 23:55 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-01 23:58 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware