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2014-01-31 01:12 <nicksydney> Atmel released a new toolchain based on GCC 4.8.1 http://distribute.atmel.no/tools/opensource/Atmel-AVR-GNU-Toolchain/3.4.3/
2014-01-31 01:14 <nicksydney> wpwrak: what you think of SAM5 from Atmel ?
2014-01-31 01:18 <roh> hrhr
2014-01-31 01:18 <roh> http://forum.jtl-software.de/shopbetrieb-pflege-jtl-shop3/43854-vorsicht-betrueger-unterwegs.html
2014-01-31 01:18 <roh> there seems to be an exploitable dhl-fail sending stuff to brazil
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2014-01-31 04:56 <whitequark> cool, the CNC machine vendor agreed to pay for repairs. "send us an invoice"
2014-01-31 04:57 <nicksydney> whitequark: congrats !
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2014-01-31 06:55 <wpwrak> ... from whitequark industries :)
2014-01-31 06:57 <whitequark> something like that, I guess
2014-01-31 06:57 <wpwrak> roh: tell heise !
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2014-01-31 08:04 <larsc> haha "In Brasilien gibt es so weit ich weiß nicht sooo viele Möglichkeiten der IP Verschleierung"
2014-01-31 08:21 * whitequark is watching one of his packages to bounce around
2014-01-31 08:21 <whitequark> day 35th. the package was sent to St. Petersburg and then immediately back to Moscow
2014-01-31 08:24 <wpwrak> larsc: yeah, those jungle drums each have very characteristic sounds
2014-01-31 08:25 <wpwrak> on the 35th of january, the time rift widened ...
2014-01-31 08:28 <whitequark> hehe
2014-01-31 08:29 <whitequark> ha, it actually was delivered properly yesterday, right in line with the ebay estimate
2014-01-31 08:30 <whitequark> ... nevermind it could have been delivered 25 days earlier. did they deliberately bounce it around?
2014-01-31 08:30 <whitequark> I'm inclined to think "yes"
2014-01-31 08:32 <wpwrak> it all makes sense now. it arrived yesterday, that's why you're tracking its progress today, to see that on the 35th it will bounce between st. petersburg and moscow.
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2014-01-31 10:16 <nicksydney> When 24Hz Sound Waves Collide With Water -- https://plus.google.com/photos/+RalphRoberts/albums/5974455410758770849/5974455411906736098?pid=5974455411906736098&oid=109201681846030076792
2014-01-31 10:16 <nicksydney> so sound slows down flow of water ?!
2014-01-31 10:17 <larsc> pressure slows down the flow of water
2014-01-31 10:18 <nicksydney> larsc: pressure from the sound ?
2014-01-31 10:21 <larsc> in general ;)
2014-01-31 10:21 <larsc> and sound is compressed air
2014-01-31 10:30 <whitequark> 24hz? from that tiny speaker?
2014-01-31 10:30 <whitequark> I wonder how much power does he pump there
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2014-01-31 10:56 * nicksydney always wonder what Hz and KHz means :) ... google it later :)
2014-01-31 10:56 <nicksydney> now it's time to print the design into the yellow transfer paper
2014-01-31 10:57 <nicksydney> btw if anybody is interested to download the ARM server specification paper you can download it here http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/01/31/arm-unveils-system-base-architecture-specification-to-standardize-arm-based-servers/
2014-01-31 10:58 <nicksydney> whitequark: so basically you can't use your new CNC toy now ?
2014-01-31 11:09 <apelete> wpwrak DocScrutinizer05: just got the Xytronic LF-389D, looks much more high quality than my previous cheap iron
2014-01-31 11:11 <apelete> the shop also sent me 3Kg of iron "brackets for power supply", don't know what I'm supposed to do with that
2014-01-31 11:13 <apelete> was worried at first that the soldering station might be larger than I thought since I got 2 huge packages, one filled with 3Kg of (useless ?) iron
2014-01-31 11:14 <apelete> wpwrak: but it's quite small actually, already glad I followed you advice :)
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2014-01-31 11:19 <apelete> wpwrak DocScrutinizer05: just got the Stannol solder and flux pen right now, w00t
2014-01-31 11:21 <whitequark> nicksydney: not quite
2014-01-31 11:21 <whitequark> my adjustable power supply can serve it 3A@24V
2014-01-31 11:21 <apelete> this is perfect timing, now I can run and try to catch my train to FOSDEM
2014-01-31 11:21 <whitequark> but what it really needs is 2A@24V+4A@48V
2014-01-31 11:21 <whitequark> so I can kinda run it at really low speed
2014-01-31 11:22 <whitequark> and apparently it's very hard to source power supplies on >12V >1A locally, so I'm waiting for ebay
2014-01-31 11:27 <nicksydney> ebay or aliexpress is your friend :)
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2014-01-31 11:42 <wpwrak> apelete: great ! not sure what the iron brackets are supposed to do :) got a picture ?
2014-01-31 11:46 <DocScrutinizer05> is the powersupply equipped with a holder for the iron?
2014-01-31 11:47 <DocScrutinizer05> and maybe too light to stand without the brackets, when you insert the soldering iron to the holder?
2014-01-31 11:49 <wpwrak> maybe some wall-mounting stuff or such. but 3 kg sounds weird.
2014-01-31 11:49 <wpwrak> we'll see when we get the pictures :)
2014-01-31 11:50 <nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: http://www.fairphone.com/2013/12/20/production-photo-blog/
2014-01-31 11:51 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, seen such stuff
2014-01-31 11:51 <DocScrutinizer05> but not done for Neo900
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2014-01-31 11:52 <nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: http://www.fairphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Test-Call.jpg -- "Using fancy test equipment to calibrate the radios." ... what it means ?
2014-01-31 11:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I llearned fairphone actually is an android phone, with a proprietary HAL/modem-firmware as usual
2014-01-31 11:52 <nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: yes it is Android and with BLOB :)
2014-01-31 11:53 <DocScrutinizer05> proprietary HAL/modem-firmware == BLOB, yes
2014-01-31 11:53 <DocScrutinizer05> and shared RAM I suspect, also as usual
2014-01-31 11:58 <nicksydney> Bitcoin back: Major exchange resumes yuan trading -- http://www.cnbc.com/id/101379801 ... Bitcoin in HOT! again now....you can use Bitcoin to trade stock in China ..woooo
2014-01-31 11:58 <DocScrutinizer05> well, it's kinda nice, too little too late, too expensive (though yes *I* know, of all critics I know best why it's going to be expensive), it's too androidy
2014-01-31 11:58 <nicksydney> wpwrak: Will Argentina’s woes hit this country? http://www.cnbc.com/id/101379128
2014-01-31 11:59 <wpwrak> yeah, too late. they'll never know what hit them when neo900 enters the scene :)
2014-01-31 11:59 <nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: when neo900 launch we need to throw party in each country !
2014-01-31 12:01 <wpwrak> anyone remembers Coherent Unix ? they offered a commercial Unix clone for 286 in the early 1990s. a very short while later, Linux came out ... *foof*
2014-01-31 12:02 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: (fairphone) like if that's surprising
2014-01-31 12:08 * whitequark browses chipdip.ru's catalogue. it's sad.
2014-01-31 12:09 <whitequark> chipdip is more or less russian sparkfun: 2x more expensive, but supposedly only has carefully picked good stuff
2014-01-31 12:09 <wpwrak> like quality arduinos ?
2014-01-31 12:10 <whitequark> well, it's much more extensive, but yeah, you're not far off
2014-01-31 12:10 <whitequark> so I'm looking at fluxes section. about 100 positions.
2014-01-31 12:10 <whitequark> most of them seem to come via some bizarre form of time travel right from 1970's
2014-01-31 12:10 <whitequark> what the hell is "soldering fat"?!
2014-01-31 12:11 <whitequark> http://lib.chipdip.ru/224/DOC000224673.jpg
2014-01-31 12:11 <whitequark> $10 for 0.5kg of some weird gunk. "recommended for quality soldering of radioelectronics"
2014-01-31 12:15 <whitequark> most of the rest is variations of RA and RMA, made to USSR standards, dating back to the ages where the biggest IC you could get would be a TTL quad NAND
2014-01-31 12:15 <wpwrak> (soldering fat) yeah, remember that stuff :) even 1980s ;-)
2014-01-31 12:15 <whitequark> boric acid?! flux for bismuth-based solders?!!
2014-01-31 12:16 <whitequark> was that before dinosaurs or actually after?
2014-01-31 12:16 <wpwrak> they probably kept a few in the permafrost until they had the industry to turn them into soldering fat
2014-01-31 12:16 <whitequark> hehe
2014-01-31 12:18 <whitequark> you are not far off, I'm sure some of that stuff is selling off huge stockpiles dating back to 90s and maybe 80s
2014-01-31 12:18 <whitequark> and they could maybe still last decades
2014-01-31 12:19 <whitequark> I know for sure ICs made in 1991 are still actively being sold
2014-01-31 12:20 <wpwrak> they undoubtedly will. well, at least unless a storm destroys that unmaintained storage facility
2014-01-31 12:20 <whitequark> you are again spot on, the storage conditions for them are truly horrendous
2014-01-31 12:20 <whitequark> not uncommon to just lie in a puddle for years
2014-01-31 12:21 <wpwrak> i suppose "soldering fat" is not very picky ;-)
2014-01-31 12:21 <whitequark> so if you want to have a yield of more than several % you need to bake them...
2014-01-31 12:21 <whitequark> well, ICs are more picky
2014-01-31 12:21 <wpwrak> ah, chips. yeah, them too
2014-01-31 12:21 <whitequark> it's a weird feeling, soldering an IC which you know is older than you
2014-01-31 12:23 <wpwrak> and it'll either die that very day ... or outlast you
2014-01-31 12:32 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: coherent? suuure :-P
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2014-01-31 12:33 <DocScrutinizer05> and I think they asked "only" a bit over 1000DM for that
2014-01-31 12:35 <DocScrutinizer05> err, maybe I confuse this with the BSD tapes in mid 80s?
2014-01-31 12:37 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway I still recall SuSE in Fuerth/By and I got their first Release, some 22 5¼" floppies
2014-01-31 12:38 <DocScrutinizer05> >> The first version appeared in early 1994 << http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuSE
2014-01-31 12:40 <wpwrak> yeah, suse was fairly late
2014-01-31 12:40 <wpwrak> before came linus' root and boot floppy, mcc, sls, ...
2014-01-31 12:41 <wpwrak> there was also a german distro, DLD or such
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2014-01-31 12:45 <DocScrutinizer05> sls, slackware, yes
2014-01-31 12:49 <DocScrutinizer05> haha. soldering fat. Recommended for copper tubs
2014-01-31 12:51 <DocScrutinizer05> or to etch away some unwanted traces on your PCB
2014-01-31 12:52 <DocScrutinizer05> the "radio electronics" they recmmend it for... is about 3mm diameter wires, huge trafos, and electron tubes
2014-01-31 12:53 <DocScrutinizer05> the sort of "radio" that fries your nuts with x-ray when you sit in that operator chair
2014-01-31 12:54 <DocScrutinizer05> aka military Russian mobile radar
2014-01-31 13:03 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SuSE#SUSE_distributions I really wonder what I managed to get from them, must've been the slackware port, since I'm rather sure the kernel been 0.98 or sth
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2014-01-31 13:25 <nicksydney> found a good into video between capacitive and resistive and how it works https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lxYHzVfclc
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2014-01-31 13:57 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: exactly
2014-01-31 13:57 <whitequark> I've just went to that shop
2014-01-31 13:58 <whitequark> the prices are literally jaw-dropping. I've bought my adjustable psu for $50... they sell it for $180
2014-01-31 13:58 <whitequark> practically that exact one
2014-01-31 14:18 <wpwrak> the difference is of course the one sells you a cheap USD 50 toy while the other one sells you a nice USD 180 professional instrument ;-)
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2014-01-31 14:33 <whitequark> well, they'll actually repair it on warranty and replace without questions, yes
2014-01-31 14:33 <whitequark> but it doesn't warrant a 4x markup
2014-01-31 14:39 <wpwrak> unless if fails rather often :)
2014-01-31 14:42 <whitequark> even NE555! digikey sells them for 0.34@1, them for 1.2@1
2014-01-31 14:47 <roh> well.. somebody needs to pay rent.
2014-01-31 14:47 <roh> parts are always massively uppriced at stores.
2014-01-31 14:47 <roh> ask for a few thousand.. then you'll get different prices
2014-01-31 14:49 <larsc> a higher price only shows better quality
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2014-01-31 14:51 <whitequark> a few thousands... they were caught scraping farnell's catalog
2014-01-31 14:52 <whitequark> so they forward it to farnell with 2x markup
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2014-01-31 16:39 <larsc> interesting: "Stallman's position, in short, is that Emacs and other official GNU applications should not incorporate default features designed to work with non-GNU projects (like LLVM)..."
2014-01-31 16:43 <wpwrak> hmm, so at 60 lucidity begins to wane
2014-01-31 16:49 <larsc> "RMS only interacts with the GCC steering committee, and that way the gcc developers can develop code in peace without being constantly drawn in to free software purity discussions." :)
2014-01-31 16:52 <lekernel> didn't rms make sure personally that emacs runs on windows?
2014-01-31 16:53 <wpwrak> lekernel: i like your evil side ;-)
2014-01-31 16:55 <larsc> here is the primary source: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/168826
2014-01-31 16:56 <larsc> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/168896
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2014-01-31 17:11 <DocScrutinizer05> LIE!!! RMS interacted with *me* as well!
2014-01-31 17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
2014-01-31 17:12 <DocScrutinizer05>  /o\
2014-01-31 17:13 <larsc> well you are now GNUified
2014-01-31 17:13 <larsc> no escape
2014-01-31 17:14 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: look in the mirror. do you see "GCC STEERING COMMITTEE" written in invisible demon blood on your forehead ?
2014-01-31 17:14 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, clearly
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2014-01-31 17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly RMs seems just as misguided in his ideas about owning and ruling the complete content of gnu-* like Nokia (and Hildon Foundation) is obviously misguided about the status maemo
2014-01-31 17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> RMS*
2014-01-31 17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf "M"?
2014-01-31 17:17 <DocScrutinizer05> "mean"?
2014-01-31 17:17 <larsc> Matthew or somehting
2014-01-31 17:17 <DocScrutinizer05> root mean square
2014-01-31 17:17 <larsc> like LPC ;)
2014-01-31 17:19 <larsc> although stricly speaking it is only LC
2014-01-31 17:19 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
2014-01-31 17:20 <DocScrutinizer05> lennart poettering crap?
2014-01-31 17:40 <wpwrak> one systemd to rule them all. now also in Debian.
2014-01-31 17:40 <larsc> finally
2014-01-31 17:47 <wpwrak> well, i'm being prophetic. i think they'll still haggle over it some more but the outcome seems inevitable
2014-01-31 17:50 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/pogo.fpd: add Mill-Max 09xx series TH pogo pins (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/384ad5e
2014-01-31 17:50 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/HIERARCHY: give switches their own top-level category (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/feb8508
2014-01-31 17:50 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/HIERARCHY: move FIDUCIAL from "Mechanical" to "Structure" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/63e8c0d
2014-01-31 17:50 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: modules/spacer.fpd: add 7.5 mm clearance (bare screw/nut) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/kicad-libs/a89a1d5
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2014-01-31 18:51 <whitequark> debian decided? :(
2014-01-31 18:51 <whitequark> ah, no
2014-01-31 18:51 <whitequark> I still hope they choose upstart, it's much nicer
2014-01-31 18:59 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, I love upstart since I seen systemd
2014-01-31 19:00 <DocScrutinizer05> before I hated it so much that I refused to rouch buntkuh just for that crap
2014-01-31 19:00 <DocScrutinizer05> touch*
2014-01-31 19:02 <whitequark> I liked initng the most, but it's dead since like 2006
2014-01-31 19:02 <whitequark> there's obviously a need for a more advanced init daemon though
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2014-01-31 19:08 <wpwrak>  /bin/init.sh - all the flexibility one could possibly want ;-)
2014-01-31 19:09 <larsc> without the sh
2014-01-31 19:09 <wpwrak> it's a symlink :)
2014-01-31 19:15 <whitequark> wpwrak: brainfuck: infinite flexibility, zero usability
2014-01-31 19:15 <whitequark> you should be writing it
2014-01-31 19:15 <whitequark> it's simple--so unix-way!
2014-01-31 19:16 <whitequark> etc etc. what I mean is there is both subjective (cool beans) and objective (full-disk encryption) to have a faster-booting desktop, plus the whole runlevel system never suited desktop well *at all*
2014-01-31 19:16 <whitequark> s,to,reasons to,
2014-01-31 19:21 <DocScrutinizer05> 3k :-o
2014-01-31 19:22 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder how we shall handle those plain donations (if that's actually been one) like the "additional" 1500 of those 3k
2014-01-31 19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> one donation, once device. One donation >=1500: one proto plus one series.
2014-01-31 19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> s/once/one
2014-01-31 19:23 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: "one donation, one device. One donation >=1500: one proto plus one series. "
2014-01-31 19:32 <wpwrak> not all >= 1500 may want a prototype. before you order them to be made, you may want to check that.
2014-01-31 19:34 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
2014-01-31 19:35 <DocScrutinizer05> and not all >>1500 may want TWO protos and TWO series
2014-01-31 19:35 <DocScrutinizer05> A.W.P Is not maybe Almestberger, Werner P. ?
2014-01-31 19:36 <DocScrutinizer05> (I have no access to the webshop data)
2014-01-31 19:37 <DocScrutinizer05> aynway, afk for an Argentinian meal
2014-01-31 19:37 <DocScrutinizer05> o/
2014-01-31 19:38 <wpwrak> naw, i'm W.A. only one entry. that's all i can afford :)
2014-01-31 19:39 <wpwrak> GMO soy beans ? yummy ;-)
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2014-01-31 20:57 <DocScrutinizer05> eh, GMO?
2014-01-31 20:57 * DocScrutinizer05 knows what's GMO TLA
2014-01-31 20:58 <DocScrutinizer05> but why?
2014-01-31 20:58 <DocScrutinizer05> aregntinian food? nah! argentinian entrecote, though much too little
2014-01-31 20:58 <wpwrak> it's used heavily in soy argentina agriculture now
2014-01-31 20:59 <wpwrak> ah, better ;-)
2014-01-31 20:59 <DocScrutinizer05> Argentina is on top with beef/person*year
2014-01-31 20:59 <DocScrutinizer05> fifty-a-few kg
2014-01-31 21:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~1kg/week
2014-01-31 21:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I think I could live from/with that ;-)
2014-01-31 21:01 <DocScrutinizer05> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindfleisch#Konsum
2014-01-31 21:03 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Die Rindfleischklassifizierung berücksichtigt die Muskelfülle, den Fettanteil und die Kategorie (Kalb, Bulle, Färse); nicht jedoch die Herkunft oder die Rasse.<< MEH!
2014-01-31 21:04 <DocScrutinizer05> it's incredible but the best place to eat good beef in Germany is Nuernberk Karstadt Steakpoint
2014-01-31 21:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ambiente has the appeal of a highway parking lot
2014-01-31 21:05 <DocScrutinizer05> but the meat is awesome
2014-01-31 21:05 <DocScrutinizer05> nuernberg, OMG
2014-01-31 21:06 <DocScrutinizer05> now this proves that the human brain just reduces performance when not powered properly
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2014-01-31 22:01 <wpwrak> it's the relaxing effect of a good meal ;-)
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