2014-01-14 00:02 arielenter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-01-14 00:17 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2014-01-14 00:34 FDCX has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2014-01-14 00:49 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 01:02 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2014-01-14 01:07 dos1 has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2014-01-14 01:15 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 01:40 arielenter has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-01-14 01:41 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 01:44 arielenter has quit [Client Quit] 2014-01-14 01:44 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 01:44 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-01-14 02:01 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-01-14 02:02 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 02:22 DocScrutinizer05: relevant: http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1v1u0a/solubility_of_gasses_in_substances/ceof7qt?context=3 2014-01-14 02:30 also, solubility of gasses in liquids does not, in general, decrease with t°! I've been lied to my entire life. J. Chem. Ed. 1955, 32(8), 399; http://i.imgur.com/2fdxZEg.png 2014-01-14 02:52 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-01-14 02:55 wow 2014-01-14 02:55 my world collapses 2014-01-14 02:57 not sure if sarcasm :) 2014-01-14 03:01 no kidding, just a tad of exaggeration 2014-01-14 03:02 I'm actually amaced how much I seem to have tickled your curiosity 2014-01-14 03:02 amazed even 2014-01-14 03:03 wpwrak_: open source thermostat perhaps next project http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nest+Learning+Thermostat+2nd+Generation+Teardown/13818 :) 2014-01-14 03:03 sure, it's pretty clear that in the end everything is about energy and entropy 2014-01-14 03:04 DocScrutinizer05: I tend to get sidetracked on fundamental-y things. The whole reading encyclopedias from cover to cover thing :) 2014-01-14 03:04 hehe 2014-01-14 03:08 I think I started seriously reading up on LLVM not because I had a language to implement, but simply because I was fascinated by it so much. 2014-01-14 03:08 etc. 2014-01-14 03:09 on a loosely related topic I find intriguing: all about boiling delay, hypothermic liquids and the question why sodawater bubbles come up on a ricecorn you throw in the glass 2014-01-14 03:09 hypothermic liquids? you mean supercritical? 2014-01-14 03:09 probably 2014-01-14 03:10 like handwarmers 2014-01-14 03:10 uh, no, probably not 2014-01-14 03:10 the stuff with the liquid salts at room temperature 2014-01-14 03:10 wpwrak_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-01-14 03:10 got it. I'll remember the right term in a moment 2014-01-14 03:11 that all of a sudden crystallize when you bend that clickdisk 2014-01-14 03:11 in german it's "unterkuehlte schmelze" 2014-01-14 03:11 it's "supercooled liquid" in english 2014-01-14 03:11 aka "undercooled" but I think "supercooled" is more common 2014-01-14 03:11 btw glass also is such a stuff 2014-01-14 03:11 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercooling 2014-01-14 03:11 wpwrak has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 03:12 glass is an amorphous solid 2014-01-14 03:12 or do you mean something else? 2014-01-14 03:12 just glass doesn't tend to spontaneously crystallize 2014-01-14 03:12 only very very slowly 2014-01-14 03:13 I don't think glass crystallizes at all? 2014-01-14 03:13 also glass flows, but very very slowly, so it's actually liquid 2014-01-14 03:13 glass doesn't flow, it's a common misconception :p 2014-01-14 03:13 yes, it does, after hundreds or thousands of years 2014-01-14 03:13 (glass crystallization) glass, by *definition*, is a solid which is not crystallized 2014-01-14 03:13 DocScrutinizer05: source? 2014-01-14 03:14 common kowledge about e.g. windows in churches 2014-01-14 03:14 and glass defects getting worse in very old drinking glasses 2014-01-14 03:15 might be another lie they told me 2014-01-14 03:15 it's an artifact of the manufacturing process which has been used back then. you'd blow a bubble of glass and then flatten it. naturally, an edge would be more thick. they were then customarily placed with the thick edge pointing down. 2014-01-14 03:15 a very common misconception indeed 2014-01-14 03:15 never heard about glass defects though 2014-01-14 03:16 I heard it starts crystallizing just like that pocket warmer salts, just in ultra slow motion 2014-01-14 03:16 I think the very composition of glass prevents it from crystallization 2014-01-14 03:17 possibly correct for contemporary glass 2014-01-14 03:18 lemme find you some sources 2014-01-14 03:18 anyway the term "unterkuhlte schmelze" I heard first time in relation to glass 2014-01-14 03:21 DocScrutinizer05: ok, "Do Cathedral Glasses Flow?", Am. J. Phys. v66, pp 392—396, May 1998 2014-01-14 03:21 orrr Plumb, R. C. (1989) Antique windowpanes and the flow of supercooled liquids. Journal of Chemical Education, 66(12): 994-996. 2014-01-14 03:22 this has some more explanation and references: http://dwb.unl.edu/teacher/nsf/c01/c01links/www.ualberta.ca/~bderksen/florin.html#plu 2014-01-14 03:22 btw the first article is free-access, www.df.unipi.it/~leporini/DFWebSite/ReviewsTg/CathedralGlasses.pdf 2014-01-14 03:24 for the defects in drinking glasses I'd need more context 2014-01-14 03:27 well, that article actually admits that glass flows 2014-01-14 03:27 just way more slowly than usually assumed 2014-01-14 03:29 relaxation time is higher than the age of universe 2014-01-14 03:29 this kinda stretches the definition of "flows" 2014-01-14 03:29 though you are correct to some extent. let me find the pdf for the second one. 2014-01-14 03:30 http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ed066p994 2014-01-14 03:32 it's the proton decay that makes them flow 2014-01-14 03:32 * wpwrak ducks 2014-01-14 03:32 DocScrutinizer05: http://rghost.ru/51637223 pdf 2014-01-14 03:35 it mentions two phenomena (zero-creep and anelasticity) which resemble viscous flow in glasses but are not identical to it 2014-01-14 03:35 highly fascinating read 2014-01-14 03:36 also, it has an amazing description of the ancient glass-making process 2014-01-14 03:37 sorry, getting late here 2014-01-14 03:37 sure, take a look when it's convenient 2014-01-14 03:52 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 04:15 cation diffusion, incredible 2014-01-14 04:15 * DocScrutinizer05 considers glass like a sponge from now on ;-D 2014-01-14 04:26 ooooh yes, cation diffusion allows for a very neat trick 2014-01-14 04:26 take a thin glass "wire", so thin you could bend it more or less freely, and make it in a spiral, then let it sit for a few days 2014-01-14 04:27 you could then just play with this glass spiral, it'll remain more or less in the same shape 2014-01-14 04:27 but if you place it on top of liquid Hg, it'll begin to rapidly regain its original shape 2014-01-14 04:28 can't seem to find anything on youtube 2014-01-14 04:37 hmm, cation diffusion should be susceptible to electric current, no? 2014-01-14 04:37 hmmm 2014-01-14 04:37 sort of electromigration causing anelastic deformation of glass when sending electric current through it 2014-01-14 04:39 that sounds plausible, but... 2014-01-14 04:39 "Conduction mechanism in ionic glasses is still considered one of the great challenges in physics and chemistry of glasses [A. Bunde, K. Funke, and M. Ingram, Solid State Ionics 105, 1 (1998)]." 2014-01-14 04:39 hahaha 2014-01-14 04:40 although, let me read it 2014-01-14 04:41 conduction in glasses.1,5 Nowadays, everybody seems to 2014-01-14 04:41 agree that ionic conduction in glasses, at least in the dc re- 2014-01-14 04:41 1,5matrix. However, the mechanism of such hopping is the 2014-01-14 04:41 to hopping of ions between localized states in the glass 2014-01-14 04:41 gime and in the ac regime at not too high frequencies, is due 2014-01-14 04:41 1,5 2014-01-14 04:41 subject of many controversies. 2014-01-14 04:41 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks of a glass rod with two steel wires along it 2014-01-14 04:43 then heating it up till it starts conducting, and feeding a good current through it, not axially 2014-01-14 04:43 should bend, eh? 2014-01-14 04:43 interesting, it suggests that the ions in glass may act as charge carriers in semiconductors (!) 2014-01-14 04:43 with a bandgap region 2014-01-14 04:43 hm 2014-01-14 04:43 I dunno, it well might 2014-01-14 04:43 hehe, glass, the hottest semiconductor ever 2014-01-14 04:44 ah, no, the semiconductor thing was actually ruled out 2014-01-14 04:45 n8 2014-01-14 04:46 o/ 2014-01-14 05:21 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 05:45 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130916110853.htm 2014-01-14 06:02 hmm, does this (incomplete) layout look reasonable ? http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/anelok/tmp/ybox-draft-20140114.png 2014-01-14 06:02 especially regarding the RF side 2014-01-14 06:03 it's the new ybox, with a little kl25 and a cc2543 hopefully BTLE-capable transceiver 2014-01-14 06:04 (incomplete = some vias missing, not fully routed, no ground fill. i think all the components are on the board) 2014-01-14 06:06 ah, and i need to do the board cut-out for the usb receptacle :) 2014-01-14 06:11 size of the PCB is 59 x 19.2 mm so the full device will be about 61.4 x 21.6 mm 2014-01-14 06:27 wpwrak: there seem gaps in the antenna.. are those on purpose? 2014-01-14 06:29 kristianpaul has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-01-14 06:29 rendering artefacts :) 2014-01-14 06:35 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-01-14 06:49 i wish i could make the critter smaller. but things get very messy if i try to put the chips on the bottom side 2014-01-14 06:50 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 06:52 hmm. just realized that i need to make the board a little wider or i won't have enough room for milling the corners in the case 2014-01-14 07:30 derRichard has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 07:32 rz2k has quit [] 2014-01-14 07:34 hmm. of course, if i keep the top-mounted usb receptacle, ugly monster that it is, then i could cram a lot of stuff under it ... 2014-01-14 07:44 oooo, I found out how the printer determines the amount of toner in the cartridge 2014-01-14 07:44 it's a very fascinating purely mechanical thingy 2014-01-14 07:44 http://itshnik.com.ua/images/TN-2075_1.jpg 2014-01-14 07:45 see that white lever in bottom right corner? that's how. it kinda rotates around on its axis 2014-01-14 07:45 on the spent cartridge it's in far right position. on the new one, in the far left 2014-01-14 07:51 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 07:53 wolfspraul has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2014-01-14 07:59 apelete: that "... busy" messages are not normal, unless you have debugging enabled in the dma framework 2014-01-14 07:59 apelete: you don't need a filter function, all channels can be used for everything 2014-01-14 08:12 it is amazing how much better this laser printer now prints, now that I have cleaned the drum thoroughly 2014-01-14 08:13 by the way, the manual says you should do it with dry cotton swab, but it had something like 0.2mm of toner attached to it in some places, so I went for a wet cloth 2014-01-14 08:13 that works perfectly 2014-01-14 08:15 kristianpaul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-01-14 08:17 after/before: http://imgur.com/Aue7Kjm,eywYHoO 2014-01-14 08:21 a friend of me who works as a IT service tech recently told me that she was asked why the laser printer even needs toner, apparently the person who was asking was under the impression that the printer would use the laser to burn the paper 2014-01-14 08:26 well, it's not a completely outlandish concept 2014-01-14 08:27 I mean, if the person doesn't have tech as their core competency, I don't see anything wrong with that guess. Internals of laser printers are not exactly trivial, especially to laymen. 2014-01-14 08:29 yea, I thought it was funny who the name is misleading 2014-01-14 08:29 for a inkjet printer the name tells you basically who it works 2014-01-14 08:32 oh does it? http://imgur.com/LDRTh7p 2014-01-14 08:33 that would also explain why are they so noisy and need sometimes several minuets to start up! 2014-01-14 08:39 do laser printers actually have a laser? :) 2014-01-14 08:39 I never tried to understand how it works 2014-01-14 08:40 viric: it's conceptually simple. it has a drum covered by selenium inside and a high-voltage generator 2014-01-14 08:41 initially, the entire drum surface is charged. then, a rotating mirror and a laser are used to direct light to those areas which need to be white, discharging them via the photovoltaic effect 2014-01-14 08:41 I thought the drawing wouldn't involve mechanical parts 2014-01-14 08:42 then, the toner is fed to the drum with another rotating cylinder, and the toner clings to the drum where the latter is charged 2014-01-14 08:42 mechanical moving parts. :) 2014-01-14 08:42 then, paper is pressed against the toner, transferring it to the paper 2014-01-14 08:42 I knew the static electricity part. But not how that is achieved. 2014-01-14 08:42 then, paper is fed through two hot cylinders pressed against each other, melting the toner and making the paper absorb it 2014-01-14 08:42 in most printers, you have to change toner + drum, right? 2014-01-14 08:43 btw, toner is usually polystyrene + soot 2014-01-14 08:43 hm 2014-01-14 08:43 I would think toner is charged too 2014-01-14 08:43 although it would not be strictly necessary (charge your hairbrush and pick up some uncharged pieces of paper with it) 2014-01-14 08:45 apparently when you move the hairbrush near paper, it polarizes the paper, collecting the opposite charge on the side near to hairbrush, and same charge on the far side 2014-01-14 08:45 then, opposite charges attract, and the paper clinges to hairbrush 2014-01-14 08:45 the toner has to be well produced, for humidity not to play a major role 2014-01-14 08:45 I remember playing with that with a balloon 2014-01-14 08:46 as I understand it, this clinging is favorable, because it spreads the charge over higher volume => an increase in entropy 2014-01-14 08:46 yes, toner needs to have very small particles and be very dry. 2014-01-14 08:46 although, toner is very highly hydrophobic 2014-01-14 08:46 and I never understood how then the toner doesn't fall from the paper 2014-01-14 08:46 van der Waals forces 2014-01-14 08:47 if nothing else, they'd be enough to keep it there 2014-01-14 08:47 if you use an eraser, you can't erase laser printed paper 2014-01-14 08:47 it looks like having a thin layer covering all. 2014-01-14 08:47 transparent. 2014-01-14 08:47 ah, you mean after it exits the printer? as I've said, it is melted 2014-01-14 08:47 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 08:47 kristianpaul has quit [Changing host] 2014-01-14 08:47 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 08:48 auhm 2014-01-14 08:48 the paper with attached toner is rolled through two hot cylinders, which melt the toner and force it into the pores of the paper 2014-01-14 08:48 ok 2014-01-14 08:48 that's the part of the printer with the label "this will get very hot"? 2014-01-14 08:48 yes 2014-01-14 08:48 and the reason paper exiting the printer is warm 2014-01-14 08:49 btw, there's a very funny story in Russian about the toner being hydrophobic 2014-01-14 08:49 http://www.phantom.sannata.ru/forum/index.php?t=2616&a=do_print Ctrl+F "а он не намокает" 2014-01-14 08:50 good morning everyone 2014-01-14 08:50 moo 2014-01-14 08:52 larsc: I enabled dma debugging indeed, what I was wondering is "is it normal that the channels are busy ?" 2014-01-14 08:52 neildaemond has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 08:53 I thought we weren't using dma anywhere for jz4740 yet, so it seemed surprising to me that some channels were busy 2014-01-14 08:54 audio uses dma 2014-01-14 08:54 one channel for tx, one for rx 2014-01-14 08:54 -> work 2014-01-14 08:57 larsc: ok, so dma is used for audio then 2014-01-14 08:58 larsc: will do without the filter function for now if you say so, we'll talk about it later 2014-01-14 09:01 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-01-14 09:03 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 09:08 @work 2014-01-14 09:11 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 09:20 lekernel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-01-14 09:20 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 09:59 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-01-14 10:08 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-01-14 10:24 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 10:33 viric: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Laser_unit_dell_p1500_print.jpg 2014-01-14 10:34 whitequark: yes, I noticed that while we talked. It has to be like a disco hall in there 2014-01-14 10:35 hehe 2014-01-14 11:29 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 11:45 neildaemond has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-01-14 11:46 neildaemond has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 11:55 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 12:42 you can erase toner easily with a sharp knife etc 2014-01-14 12:45 you can erase ballpoint pen or pencil with a sharp knife as well 2014-01-14 12:52 you can remove paper and whatever is on it with a sharp knife :) 2014-01-14 12:54 you can do everything with a sharp knife, the only limit is yourself 2014-01-14 12:55 I think you guys don't know the chinese military shovel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o 2014-01-14 13:07 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Chinese-Military-Shovel-Survival-Tool-WJQ-308-with-Waterproof-Cases-Bag-/251422054796?pt=US_Garden_Tools&hash=item3a89ec198c 2014-01-14 13:17 oh dear 2014-01-14 13:17 but ... how cold they miss the potential use for kendo ? 2014-01-14 13:17 also, small children could use it as an umbrella 2014-01-14 13:18 and when bagged, you should be able to play ping-pong with it 2014-01-14 13:18 well, or just folded 2014-01-14 13:20 :D 2014-01-14 13:20 umbrella 2014-01-14 13:21 wpwrak: all missed functions ;) 2014-01-14 13:21 and regarding military use, it's kinda nice that, if you should fail to decapitate your enemies with one swift blow, you can also use it to saw through their neck :) 2014-01-14 13:22 metal saw ;) 2014-01-14 13:23 some of my friends bought some of them 2014-01-14 13:23 from another friend in china 2014-01-14 13:23 and now they're all day in the garden / woods, digging/hacking/climbing/hammering/... ? :) 2014-01-14 13:25 ah, it can be used as a frying pan, too 2014-01-14 13:25 no, but at camping ;) they dig a ditch around their tent 2014-01-14 13:25 just because now they can ;-) 2014-01-14 13:25 oh yes :) 2014-01-14 13:36 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-01-14 13:37 ah, i finally figured out what the "isoltion belt" is. it's for bush fires. to make a barrier without combustible material. 2014-01-14 13:39 wpwrak: you can also use it as paddle 2014-01-14 13:40 it's more than a swiss knife ;) 2014-01-14 13:46 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 13:48 ffio has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 13:50 paddle sounds smallish. they call it an "oar" ;-) (though the video shows it being used as a paddle) 2014-01-14 13:53 ffio has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-01-14 14:05 lekernel has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-01-14 14:18 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 15:02 panda|z has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 15:02 jekhor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-01-14 15:19 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 16:08 can opener looks like they're using it the wrong way. Probably better cut can into 2 halves 2014-01-14 16:23 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2014-01-14 16:25 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 16:55 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 16:56 DocScrutinizer the destroyer :) 2014-01-14 16:57 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 17:06 whitequark: was that you? http://www.gazeta.ru/auto/2014/01/13_a_5845877.shtml 2014-01-14 17:07 no, but I find that hilarious 2014-01-14 17:11 maybe it's a trick, say that all the speed cameras are damanged to get extra cash ;) 2014-01-14 17:18 laigualdad has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 17:22 i am looking for some recommendations for a bluetooth usb adapter that i can use with GNU/Linux (debian), without resorting to nonfree repos. am i in the right channel? 2014-01-14 17:25 Guest88517 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-01-14 17:25 maybe 2014-01-14 17:26 it's not one of the core topics, but somebody might happen to know this 2014-01-14 17:26 ok :) 2014-01-14 17:39 rz2k has quit [] 2014-01-14 17:39 Bluetooth USB adapters are regular HID devices AFAIK 2014-01-14 17:40 no, they are not, they have the USB Bluetooth class 2014-01-14 17:40 the radio adapters which are HID devices are somewhat more common and not bluetooth 2014-01-14 17:41 and have the advantage that they don't need setup, or suffer from a horrible delay of several seconds on wakeup 2014-01-14 17:41 ok 2014-01-14 17:55 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 18:52 laigualdad has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-01-14 19:53 larsc: hi 2014-01-14 19:54 hi 2014-01-14 19:55 larsc: about dma_channel_request, should the driver request two seperate channels for rxfifo and txfifo or a single one for both rxtx ? 2014-01-14 19:57 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 19:57 larsc: I've seen both ways in other drivers, don't know which one to do for the mmc driver 2014-01-14 19:57 since we'll never do both at the same time one should be fine 2014-01-14 19:57 interesting, so it's not possible to read and write from mmc at the same time ? 2014-01-14 19:58 viric has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-01-14 19:58 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 19:59 not as far as I know 2014-01-14 19:59 you have one data line, and it either transmits or receives 2014-01-14 20:00 right, saw that in the datasheet actually, should have paid attention 2014-01-14 20:01 larsc: ok, so I'm going to look at read_data() and write_data() now 2014-01-14 20:03 larsc: I guess a good way to handle this would be to write seperate functions to handle dma transfers and insert them in read_data and write_data, like in davinci_mmc.c 2014-01-14 20:05 yes 2014-01-14 20:12 viric has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-01-14 20:12 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 20:28 rodgort has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-01-14 20:52 rodgort has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 21:35 morning / afternoon / evening lads 2014-01-14 21:37 there is a short word which means all three of them: moin 2014-01-14 21:38 or just use UGT 2014-01-14 21:38 http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html 2014-01-14 22:11 the usual greeting protocol is to omit greetings. in a world that's "always on", there is no entering or leaving. 2014-01-14 22:33 nicksydney seems to live outside that world 2014-01-14 22:33 i don't live i morphed :) 2014-01-14 22:43 lekernel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-01-14 22:52 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-01-14 22:53 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 22:55 what? 2014-01-14 23:09 if life is change then to morph is to live 2014-01-14 23:20 dos1 has quit [Quit: Kabum!] 2014-01-14 23:21 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-14 23:24 LOL @ http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/44863/phone-privacy-for-small-business 2014-01-14 23:38 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-01-14 23:45 neildaemond has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-01-14 23:46 DocScrutinizer05: sounds like a future customer :) 2014-01-14 23:46 DocScrutinizer05: and get him one of the chinese military shovels, to get rid of any nsa-provided fibers going to his data centers ;-)