2014-01-04 00:00 pcercuei has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 2014-01-04 00:02 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-01-04 00:05 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 00:08 yes, this has been fixed in upstream 2014-01-04 00:08 patches got applied in the wrong order 2014-01-04 00:08 but did not hit linus' tree so far 2014-01-04 00:08 3.14 2014-01-04 00:09 i'm on linus' tree as of today 2014-01-04 00:10 lilvinz has quit [Excess Flood] 2014-01-04 00:10 lilvinz has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 00:12 larsc: where can i find the said patches? 2014-01-04 00:15 in the qi kernel 2014-01-04 00:16 git://projects.qi-hardware.com/qi-kernel.git? 2014-01-04 00:21 yes 2014-01-04 00:39 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-01-04 00:57 ... apparently sending stuff fron CN to US and then to RU is faster than fron CN to RU directly 2014-01-04 01:17 heberth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-01-04 01:18 heberth has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 01:35 whitequark: toy arrived ? 2014-01-04 01:37 wpwrak_: nay, but I've been tracking several other parcels 2014-01-04 01:38 and it takes them slightly less than 7 days to arrive to the warehouse in US, compared to ~20-25 for my house in RU 2014-01-04 01:38 toy has arrived to the warehouse already, I'm waiting for several other items to get there 2014-01-04 01:39 ah, so they're bundling them 2014-01-04 01:39 yes, that lowers the cost for US->RU delivery considerably 2014-01-04 01:39 makes sense - send only one container instead of a lot of boxes :) 2014-01-04 01:39 https://static.shopotam.ru/ebay/uploads/store_photos/4/5/3/7080453_5a21f7512a6f7f202a170b10842832251cd5cd79.jpg 2014-01-04 01:40 one thing I don't understand: for some reason fedex lists the weight as 35lbs=15kg, but shopotam says it's 21kg 2014-01-04 01:42 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-01-04 01:43 maybe their weighted it and someone made an error 2014-01-04 01:44 perhaps 2014-01-04 01:46 heberth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-01-04 02:36 some limits? as in "(less than or) 21kg"? 2014-01-04 02:58 pcercuei has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-01-04 03:07 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 03:11 whitequark: whats in the box? :p 2014-01-04 03:23 rz2k: http://www.ebay.com/itm/170794739687 2014-01-04 04:08 _whitelogger_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 04:14 whitequark: nice, what will be your application of this cnc? 2014-01-04 04:32 rz2k: PCB drilling and milling 2014-01-04 04:32 and anything else I will think about :) 2014-01-04 04:32 fire has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 04:43 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-01-04 04:44 rjeffries has quit [Quit: Page closed] 2014-01-04 04:52 fire has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-01-04 04:58 fire has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 05:28 whitequark: will it be available for rent? :p I can help with consumables like drills/whatever 2014-01-04 05:40 JewFro297 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-01-04 06:00 rz2k: totally 2014-01-04 06:01 by the way, I'm looking to reimplement its controller box, partly because it sucks (I need a hardware LPT port, UGH), partly as an exercise in both hw and sw 2014-01-04 06:01 (I want to write the firmware in a sane, memory-safe language, that is, Rust :p) 2014-01-04 06:01 so we could collaborate on that 2014-01-04 06:28 fire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-01-04 06:31 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-01-04 06:31 fire has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 06:32 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 07:01 fire has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 2014-01-04 07:39 rz2k has quit [] 2014-01-04 07:43 neildaemond has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 07:51 neildaemond has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 2014-01-04 08:57 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-01-04 08:58 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:12 _whitelogger has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:16 eintopf has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 2014-01-04 09:22 Ornotermes has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:22 wpwrak_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:22 mth has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:23 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:28 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:28 kyak has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:28 freespace has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:28 bartbes has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:28 Jay7 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:29 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:29 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:29 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:29 kanzure has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:29 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:29 qi-bot has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:29 dandon has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:30 lilvinz has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:30 panda|w530 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:30 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:30 sanderr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:30 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:30 zear has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:30 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:31 unclouded has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:31 luke-jr_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:31 mirko_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:31 larsc has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:31 whitequark has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:31 mldr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:31 roh has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:31 habs has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:32 eintopf has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:32 ysionneau has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:32 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:32 apelete has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:32 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:32 biot has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:32 metalfreak has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:34 luke-jr_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-01-04 09:35 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:35 Guest61216 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:44 zrafa_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:54 ChanServ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 09:54 derRichard has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 10:06 luke-jr_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 10:26 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 10:33 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-01-04 10:37 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 10:58 wpwrak_ / DocScrutinizer05 ... what's new ? 2014-01-04 10:58 :) 2014-01-04 10:58 was damn hot over here during the day 2014-01-04 10:58 but cooler at night 2014-01-04 11:00 funny netsplit 2014-01-04 11:00 freenode broke into at least 3 pieces 2014-01-04 11:00 prolly rather 30 2014-01-04 11:01 yikes ! 2014-01-04 11:04 LED whell 2.0 http://ctrlv.in/278985 :) 2014-01-04 11:05 much better than last night.....last night was so sleepy that i delete the whole thing as it was not working properly turns out i check some settings that throws error 'footprint cannot be found' duh :) 2014-01-04 11:15 wpwrak_: ping 2014-01-04 11:15 wpwrak_: need your expert help on kicad :) 2014-01-04 11:20 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-01-04 11:32 ok found how to set the track width for all the tracks 2014-01-04 12:52 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 12:55 * nicksydney wonder where everybody is 2014-01-04 12:58 recovering from friday night ;) 2014-01-04 12:58 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 13:05 miss those days ! :) 2014-01-04 13:14 nicksydney: now, add a little MCU to make then blink :) 2014-01-04 13:15 since you already have the FRDM-KL25Z ... :) 2014-01-04 13:17 nice, there's now a FRDM-KL26Z. should eliminate the firmware guesswork. silly that it's more expensive, though. i think the chips are just the same. 2014-01-04 13:18 wpwrak_: http://ctrlv.in/279006 ... after copper pour :) 2014-01-04 13:19 http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=FRDM-KL26Z --> Page not found :) 2014-01-04 13:20 http://www.digikey.com.au/product-detail/en/FRDM-KL26Z/FRDM-KL26Z-ND/4234022 --> $18 ?? .. nahh...they should sell it for $14 :) 2014-01-04 13:20 ah no, they added a few more things. a light sensor and a button. 2014-01-04 13:20 ahh 2 new item and extra $4 :) 2014-01-04 13:20 ah, AUD 18. I see USD 15 :) 2014-01-04 13:21 the '25 was USD 13. oh well. 2014-01-04 13:22 sounds like a good idea of using the '25 for the LED wheel :) 2014-01-04 13:23 and the accelerometer now also has a 3-axis compass 2014-01-04 13:24 so thinking of getting it ? 2014-01-04 13:26 if you don't have a '25 yet, you may want to switch to the '26. i'd think they'll replace the '25 with the '26 as soon as they can. they're almost identical but the 26 is slightly better. 2014-01-04 13:30 ae you thinking of launching kickstarter campaign for anelok ? 2014-01-04 13:34 may get the '26 board on my next order. just so that i can tell people "this really works with linux and there's no way you could have an ancient firmware version" :) 2014-01-04 13:35 not kickstarter, but something like the neo900 campaign looks interesting 2014-01-04 13:36 wpwrak_: hahaah.....support Freescale all the way :) 2014-01-04 13:36 wpwrak_: when you thinking of launching the campaign ? 2014-01-04 13:36 i was thinking ... what can we do with anelok and Android 2014-01-04 13:37 perhaps bluetooth pairing it with Android device and for backup or something ? 2014-01-04 13:37 * nicksydney think tomorrow (if managed to squeeze time) will be etching time again :) 2014-01-04 13:40 not sure about the time yet. first i need to make another prototype with all the hardware changes piled up from board 0. and there's still some examining to do for power consumption. 2014-01-04 13:41 once that is done, i can either hand-make a small number of "alpha" test boards if anyone is interested in helping with developing software and such. or skip this step and make directly a small "beta" series. 2014-01-04 13:42 nicksydney: you definitely want to rotate some LEDs 180° 2014-01-04 13:42 the beta series would need financing. financing also needs a "corporate" structure. to avoid tax traps i'd also need someone in a country with reasonable and predictable laws to handle the money. 2014-01-04 13:44 nicksydney: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/04/plasma-desktophq3389.png just for dunno what 2014-01-04 13:46 wpwrak_: sign me up for "alpha" tester :) 2014-01-04 13:47 e.g., in argentina there are some laws that oblige companies to transfer income abroad into the country. they don't affect me now but who knows if they would if larger amounts are involved. and of course, the money would be converted at the "official rate", something like 50% below market value, then subject to a > 30% p.a. inflation/devaluation, and nearly impossible to spend on anything outside argentina. so that's basically a one- 2014-01-04 13:47 way street. definitely something i'd avoid. 2014-01-04 13:47 i'm waiting for the local hackerspace to have a group buy from digikey so i can also put my order in for the '25 MCU for anelok and few components too...as shipping is really killing 2014-01-04 13:48 DocScrutinizer05: nice....will rotate and see how it will look 2014-01-04 13:48 how expensive is digi-key shipping to .au ? 2014-01-04 13:49 $34 2014-01-04 13:49 FREE SHIPPING on Orders of $200 AUD and greater. 2014-01-04 13:50 wpwrak_: you need to move to China or Thailand 2014-01-04 13:50 the guy that run cnx-software.com lives in Thailand 2014-01-04 13:51 i think China would be better for you as you will be closer to the 'electronic hub' and shipping will be cheaper once you make other products 2014-01-04 13:52 not to mention business tax and setup is very easy in Chian 2014-01-04 13:52 nicksydney: ($34, free shipping) oh, and you're still complaining ... 2014-01-04 13:52 Unemployed in Europe Hobbled by Lack of Technology Skills --> http://www.cnbc.com/id/101308843 ...anyone from Europe can attest to this news :) 2014-01-04 13:53 wpwrak_: i always complain when i have to pay for shipping ... i'm a *STRONG* believe in free shipping .. hehehe 2014-01-04 13:53 here it's a flat USD 40. which is actually great. it used to be a lot more some time ago. 2014-01-04 13:53 ebay is my supplier :) 2014-01-04 13:54 DocScrutinizer05: in your pic http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/04/plasma-desktophq3389.png ... the topmost part of that track..that's for the + of the battery ? 2014-01-04 13:55 err, prolly yes 2014-01-04 13:55 depends on direction of LEDs you place them 2014-01-04 13:55 (lack of skills) yeah right, better get some high tech savvy fieldhands from vietnam or wherever they're recruiting the $1/day workers now :-) 2014-01-04 13:58 the problem seems to be more that companies don't want to invest in training. so you get three tyoes: 1) those who still do and thus can operate. 2) those can get someone else do it for them (state or sometimes 1), and thus can operate. 3) those who have neither and thus only complain. since complaints of a dysfunctional company are rarely paid much attention to, one can reasonably assume that 3) is the empty set and the complaints c 2014-01-04 13:58 ome simply from companies of type 1) who want to become 2), or 2) who are still greedy. 2014-01-04 14:01 wpwrak_: i find lots of people in IT whom I have met are really not interested to move forward in honing their skills...either they are complaining that it's hard to keep up and want to move to roles such as managers/team lead 2014-01-04 14:02 i don't find any value in people having skills such as project managers or architect..they are wasting my breathing space and instead of helping they are blocking progress 2014-01-04 14:04 If they had skills in those areas they probably wouldn't block your progress 2014-01-04 14:05 larsc: that's the problem....they think they have the skills and org are only blinded by the fact that resume says they do have but in reality they don't have the proper EI (Emotional Intelligence) to run a team or project 2014-01-04 14:05 a good poject manager is a difference between a dead project and a successful one 2014-01-04 14:09 whitequark: very true....only found 2 of those quality PM in my career...the rest are just stupid people who knows how to talk bs 2014-01-04 14:10 nicksydney has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-01-04 14:10 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 14:12 valhalla has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-01-04 14:13 who manages the managers? 2014-01-04 14:13 larsc: ha..that's even worse 2014-01-04 14:13 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 14:14 larsc: if you follow the chain of command to the Cxx level that's even worst ! 2014-01-04 14:14 "let's save $1M by moving to MySQL from DB2 but let's not spend the existing DBA for MySQL training ...let the DBA learn everything by himself" managers :) 2014-01-04 14:18 metalfreak: hey 2014-01-04 14:20 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-01-04 14:29 wpwrak_: i like the way atusb schematics was layout here --> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/schhist/atusb/ 2014-01-04 14:29 ChanServ has quit [*.net *.split] 2014-01-04 14:29 ChanServ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 14:30 is that like a schematics 'diff' ? 2014-01-04 14:30 nicksydney has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-01-04 14:30 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 14:37 exactly 2014-01-04 14:40 you do go the whole 9 yards :) 2014-01-04 14:53 kristianpaul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-01-04 14:54 JewFro297 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 14:55 wpwrak_: if say for example we connect anelok via bluetooth to an Android device and we use it as backup of all data from anelok ? is that a "make sense" or "usable" use case ? 2014-01-04 14:59 well, anelok already has uSD and USB, so backup is not a problem 2014-01-04 15:00 but yes, one could add more communication options 2014-01-04 15:02 cool....sounds good...will put something together later 2014-01-04 15:02 time to hit the bed...see you 2014-01-04 15:17 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 15:38 uwe__ is now known as uwe_ 2014-01-04 16:11 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 16:51 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 17:04 luke-jr_ is now known as Luke-Jr 2014-01-04 17:30 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-01-04 17:30 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 20:59 JewFro297 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-01-04 21:06 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 21:09 arielenter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-01-04 21:11 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 21:14 https://github.com/elvanderb/TCP-32764 2014-01-04 21:15 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 21:15 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-01-04 21:19 panda|w530 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-01-04 21:32 another factory configuration interface 2014-01-04 21:49 wide open 2014-01-04 21:50 prints all passwords in plaintext when asked in stern voice 2014-01-04 21:51 security is important. that's why we have none ;-) 2014-01-04 21:59 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 22:07 it's so easy to make mistakes when implementing security features, that's why we have none ;) 2014-01-04 22:24 arielenter has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-01-04 22:24 could somebody please try to send a file via DCC? 2014-01-04 22:31 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-01-04 22:31 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 22:50 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-01-04 22:53 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 23:05 DocScrutinizer05: use filegive! :) 2014-01-04 23:05 thanks, I'm served 2014-01-04 23:06 managed to config my TWO fsckn NATs to allow DCC 2014-01-04 23:06 and SIP \o/ 2014-01-04 23:06 on THREE clients 2014-01-04 23:07 there you go. 2014-01-04 23:09 traceroute to ct.de (193.99.144.77), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets using UDP 2014-01-04 23:09 1 192.168.4.1 (192.168.4.1) 0.934 ms 0.835 ms 0.826 ms 2014-01-04 23:09 2 192.168.178.1 (192.168.178.1) 1.797 ms 2.512 ms 2.073 ms 2014-01-04 23:09 3 ppp-default.m-online.net (82.135.16.28) 26.327 ms 26.745 ms 26.463 ms 2014-01-04 23:09 ;-) 2014-01-04 23:12 `telnet 82.135.16.28 32764` ;) 2014-01-04 23:16 tell me what you find, this is my DSL-multiplexer in my ISPs exchange 2014-01-04 23:17 or is this called concentrator? 2014-01-04 23:17 your isp NATs you? 2014-01-04 23:18 nope 2014-01-04 23:19 hop nr1 and nr2 are my local NATs 2014-01-04 23:19 3: "Broadcom161.24 2B5004244434 D7631302 E00" 2014-01-04 23:20 the DSL "far end" 2014-01-04 23:21 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/05/plasma-desktopgs3389.png 2014-01-04 23:23 the FritzBox is a true nightmare of mickeymouse GUI with "user friendly reduction of configuration parameters" 2014-01-04 23:23 nit even unix port513 logging 2014-01-04 23:23 not 2014-01-04 23:24 actually no decent logging at all 2014-01-04 23:24 and this shite allegedly is FOSS 2014-01-04 23:34 why use it then? 2014-01-04 23:42 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-01-04 23:45 pcercuei_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 23:45 pcercuei has quit [Quit: PC switch] 2014-01-04 23:48 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-01-04 23:48 pcercuei_ is now known as pcercuei