2014-01-02 00:00 <nicksydney> not sure about brightness but i've read the OSRAM LED are available that draw around 5mA
2014-01-02 00:01 <nicksydney> something like this .. http://www.osa-opto.com/low-current_1206.html
2014-01-02 00:01 * whitequark nods
2014-01-02 00:05 <nicksydney> i think it would be useful to provide feedback mechanism to the user to indicate low power maybe threshold if the battery is reaching 5-10% state
2014-01-02 00:07 <whitequark> and charging via USB
2014-01-02 00:08 <nicksydney> wpwrak_: the MCU that you are using does it come in QFP packaging...was thinking of resizing the schematic and using QFP MCU to make it easier for me to solder :)
2014-01-02 00:12 <DocScrutinizer05> shoot 3 rounds in the air when you run out of ammunition
2014-01-02 00:13 <wpwrak_> nicksydney: we can try to get out an indication. not sure yet about how clearly we can detect a battery nearing the end of its life.
2014-01-02 00:14 <DocScrutinizer05> btw even sub-1ms flash is still easily visible
2014-01-02 00:15 <wpwrak_> nicksydney: you can get it in LQFP 64 or LQFP 80 (as opposed to QFN 48)
2014-01-02 00:15 <DocScrutinizer05> there are receptors in human eye that act strictly edge triggered
2014-01-02 00:16 <wpwrak_> DocScrutinizer05: (< 1 ms) visible, yes. but very weak. (i happen to have it flash for about 1-2 ms now, to mark progress for power measurements)
2014-01-02 00:16 <wpwrak_> (3 rounds) yeah ;-)
2014-01-02 00:17 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak_: of course you want to operate LED on high current when going ultrashort pulse
2014-01-02 00:18 <DocScrutinizer05> not at the usual <1mA you regularly use for low power LEDs in continuous mode
2014-01-02 00:19 <DocScrutinizer05> rather like 20 or even 50mA, for 0.5mS
2014-01-02 00:23 <DocScrutinizer05> bq24150 on N900 sgnals fault condition with a 128uS pulse on a pin which happens to ben hooked up to red/green LED of RGB indicator LED
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2014-01-02 00:24 <DocScrutinizer05> the current is limited to continuous low power mode
2014-01-02 00:24 <DocScrutinizer05> i.e. <<5mA
2014-01-02 00:24 <DocScrutinizer05> the pulse is visible, not good but visible
2014-01-02 00:24 <wpwrak_> (high current) naw, peaks are bad. they mean that i would have to install huge caps just to feed the LED.
2014-01-02 00:25 <DocScrutinizer05> let's see
2014-01-02 00:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ...
2014-01-02 00:26 <DocScrutinizer05> 10uF?
2014-01-02 00:28 <DocScrutinizer05> make that 47uF and you're quite fine
2014-01-02 00:33 <DocScrutinizer05> http://it.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/_/N-5g7r?P=1z0wrk9Z1z0x2u8Z1z0x24tZ1z0jvngZ1z0x6g0Z1yzmou6
2014-01-02 00:38 <DocScrutinizer05> http://it.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/Ceramic-Capacitors/_/N-5g8m?P=1z0wrk9
2014-01-02 00:39 <wpwrak_> hmm, 47 uF may be good for about 0.1 ms, yes
2014-01-02 00:40 <wpwrak_> volate drop in the order of 200-300 mV
2014-01-02 00:40 <wpwrak_> but .. i still don't quite see the use case
2014-01-02 00:41 <wpwrak_> when the display is off, the device is in very low current mode anyway. so you're not likely to drain the battery there (and if you do, then the anelok is probably stowed away somewhere and you wouldn't see it blinking anyway)
2014-01-02 00:42 <wpwrak_> if you're using the device, it could just display a low battery indicator
2014-01-02 00:42 <wpwrak_> and if the battery is flat for good, then it just won't turn on :)
2014-01-02 00:43 <whitequark> yes, that's true
2014-01-02 00:45 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
2014-01-02 00:46 <DocScrutinizer05> though http://product.tdk.com/capacitor/mlcc/en/documents/C3216X5R1E476M160AC.pdf driven correctly can also make nice klicking sounds ;-D
2014-01-02 00:50 <DocScrutinizer05> generally you want to use PWM for all sorts of brightness modulation
2014-01-02 00:51 <DocScrutinizer05> and a fat capacitor in parallel to your CR2032 will definitely help keep your digital circuitry operating stable
2014-01-02 00:53 <DocScrutinizer05> check above datasheet for incredible reduction of effective capacity with charging voltage
2014-01-02 00:53 <DocScrutinizer05> at 3.6V DC Bias you're alread ~50%
2014-01-02 00:55 <DocScrutinizer05> calling those critters capacitors is really feeling like oversimplifying matters
2014-01-02 00:56 <DocScrutinizer05> s/matters/things/
2014-01-02 00:56 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: "calling those critters capacitors is really feeling like oversimplifying things"
2014-01-02 00:57 <DocScrutinizer05> watch weird Z and Capacity vs freq diagrams
2014-01-02 01:01 <DocScrutinizer05> while this one is only -20% at 3.6V
2014-01-02 01:01 <DocScrutinizer05> http://psearch.murata.com/capacitor/product/GRM32ER71A476ME15%23.pdf
2014-01-02 01:11 <wpwrak_> wow. really suckish.
2014-01-02 01:13 <wpwrak_> is the difference because of X5R vs. X7R ? or is it an unrelated property ?
2014-01-02 01:20 <nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: "fat capacitor in parallel to your CR2032 will definitely help keep your digital circuitry operating stable" ... was googling about 'capacitor as voltage stabilizer' and found this .. http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/83892/how-to-select-an-appropriate-capacitor-for-input-voltage-stabilization is this the same what you mean as stabilizer ?
2014-01-02 01:21 <nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: this also "http://product.tdk.com/capacitor/mlcc/en/documents/C3216X5R1E476M160AC.pdf driven correctly can also make nice klicking sounds " ....  is this the same kind of clicking noise that i often hear when turning on a big amplifier product like one of those consumer based amp ?
2014-01-02 01:26 <nicksydney> wpwrak_: aren't these the same as your QFN http://www.digikey.com.au/product-search/en?pv16=1225&pv16=1005&pv16=1120&pv16=1109&FV=4002c9%2C4003ed%2C400455%2C400457%2C40045d%2C400460%2C4004c9%2C7e800c6&k=cortex+m0+freescale&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=500 ?
2014-01-02 01:30 <wpwrak_> that's a lot of different chips, all in QFP packages
2014-01-02 01:30 <wpwrak_> if you want "similar", get an MKL24, MKL25, or MKL26
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2014-01-02 01:31 <wpwrak_> (resend) if you want "similar", get an MKL24, MKL25, or MKL26
2014-01-02 01:32 <nicksydney> wpwrak_: MKL24/25/26 you mean the dev board right ?
2014-01-02 01:33 <wpwrak_> i mean the chip for the board you want to make
2014-01-02 01:34 <nicksydney> oahh ok you are referring to the part number on the 4th column from that lnk
2014-01-02 01:36 <wpwrak_> yeah. i cuold also have said "KL24", etc., but digi-key won't let you search for that :) and "KL2" may be a bit too generic
2014-01-02 01:36 <nicksydney> thought if there is 48 QFP it will have the same pinout as the QFN but now it's 64QFP the pinout will be different
2014-01-02 01:36 <wpwrak_> well, actually no. kl2 is the same as { KL24, KL25, KL26 }
2014-01-02 01:37 <wpwrak_> yes, of course
2014-01-02 01:37 <wpwrak_> the data sheet is your friend :)
2014-01-02 01:37 <nicksydney> thought can get away without reading the dataasheet :)
2014-01-02 01:37 <wpwrak_> and there is no 48-LQFP for these chips. so your pinout WILL be different ;-)
2014-01-02 01:41 <nicksydney> the painful part of ordering from digikey is the shipping ....OR shop $200 and you get free shipping
2014-01-02 01:41 <nicksydney> even Aliexpress or ebay does not have those MCU...seems like freescale is restricting sales
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2014-01-02 02:25 <kristianpaul> zrafa_: hey
2014-01-02 02:25 <kristianpaul> zrafa_: I'm good. You?
2014-01-02 03:13 <wpwrak_> ah, thunderstorm arriving
2014-01-02 03:17 <nicksydney> wpwrak_: uh oh
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2014-01-02 08:48 <apelete> good morning
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2014-01-02 09:20 <wpwrak_> yeah, nice. now that's what i call rain :)
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2014-01-02 12:05 <DocScrutinizer05> freescale ARM M4 eval board 10 bucks: http://www.digikey.de/product-search/de?lang=de&site=de&keywords=FRDM-KE02Z&WT.z_slp_buy=Freescale_Freedom
2014-01-02 12:06 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.digikey.de/product-highlights/de/de/freescale-freedom-development-platform/3851
2014-01-02 12:09 <DocScrutinizer05> with USB-OTG and LCD: 12 bucks (ARM M0+ though, whatever that is)  http://www.digikey.de/product-search/de?lang=de&site=de&keywords=FRDM-KL46Z&WT.z_slp_buy=Freescale_Freedom
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2014-01-02 12:18 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak_:  http://cache.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/user_guide/FRDMKL25ZUM.zip powered by a CR2032 ;-)
2014-01-02 12:18 <DocScrutinizer05> just for an irrelevant sidenote
2014-01-02 12:22 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/02/plasma-desktopGs3389.png
2014-01-02 12:24 <DocScrutinizer05> not long ago my mood would've been like "buy it! for that lil bit of money it's a mistake to not buy it, even when I have NFC what for"
2014-01-02 12:47 <nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: so now no mood ? :)
2014-01-02 12:47 <DocScrutinizer05> no, I try to stop that devastating habit
2014-01-02 12:47 <nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/01/02/plasma-desktopGs3389.png --> i have the same but it won't work with Linux need to flash the bootloader inside WI$
2014-01-02 12:48 <nicksydney> wpwrak_ has the same as that one too :)
2014-01-02 12:48 <DocScrutinizer05> heh :-)
2014-01-02 12:51 <nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05 / wpwrak_ : this is interesting http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/XK-STK-A8DEV/880-1066-ND/4485710
2014-01-02 12:52 <nicksydney> octa core cortex M :)
2014-01-02 12:52 <nicksydney> (Eight 32bit processors – seven xCORE logical cores supporting DSP instructions, and an ARM Cortex-M3 processor )
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2014-01-02 12:58 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.xmos.com/en/download/public/Extending-startKIT-using-the-PCIe-slot-and-sliceCARDs(0.9).pdf  hah!
2014-01-02 13:01 <nicksydney> that extension board allows several peripherals...WiFi, ethernet, etc
2014-01-02 13:02 <nicksydney> LCD - 480 x 272 full color display .. 40-pin ZIF connector with ribbon cable to the display .... Resistive touch screen with 2 wire interface to xCORE ... yummy
2014-01-02 13:02 <nicksydney> perhaps another mini tablet :)
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2014-01-02 13:18 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: https://shop.klingler.net/product-details.en.php?productid=10012
2014-01-02 13:25 <wpwrak_> DocScrutinizer05: (cr2032) yes, i know :) and the board is nice. and pleasantly cheap. their flashing system is a little unusual but works quite well. the main problem seems to be the firmware - older versions didn't like linux.
2014-01-02 13:25 <wpwrak_> nicksydney: btw, did you manage to update it with windows ? after that, it may just work
2014-01-02 13:27 <nicksydney> wpwrak_: not yet need to visit a friend place to use a win machine...no windows at home
2014-01-02 13:32 <nicksydney> wpwrak_: look what i found http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/fisl13.pdf
2014-01-02 13:32 <nicksydney> :)
2014-01-02 13:32 <nicksydney> was googling for "filled zone kicad" and yours came out :)
2014-01-02 13:32 <wpwrak_> (xcore) cute :) not quite what anelok needs but cute :)
2014-01-02 13:34 <wpwrak_> 50 ml. wow !
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2014-01-02 13:45 <nicksydney> learning the difference between copper pour and keepout area...this is interesting
2014-01-02 13:45 <nicksydney> kicad
2014-01-02 14:16 <larsc> apelete: your MIPS patches have been queued for 3.14 http://git.linux-mips.org/?p=john/linux-john.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/mips-next-3.14
2014-01-02 14:16 <pcercuei> party!
2014-01-02 14:17 <larsc> definitely ;)
2014-01-02 14:25 <apelete> w00t, it's christmas all over again \o/
2014-01-02 14:26 <apelete> larsc pcercuei: thanks for the news and the cheering
2014-01-02 14:32 <apelete> larsc: will soon resume working on the nanonote, will let you know when I start studying the MMC driver
2014-01-02 14:33 <apelete> (been busy with some adminsys work during the holidays, launched a blog among other things -> http://apelete.seketeli.net)
2014-01-02 14:34 <apelete> s/adminsys/sysadmin/
2014-01-02 14:34 <qi-bot> apelete meant: "(been busy with some sysadmin work during the holidays, launched a blog among other things -> http://apelete.seketeli.net)"
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2014-01-02 15:27 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak_: btw this stuff might be interesting for you as well https://shop.klingler.net/product-details.en.php?productid=10012
2014-01-02 15:28 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak_: plus sth like http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/398434/?productname=AEG-Edelstahl-Fondue-Fritteuse-FFR-5551-Edelstahl-1200-W-520551
2014-01-02 15:29 <DocScrutinizer05> (needs a tad of thermostat readjustment)
2014-01-02 15:30 <DocScrutinizer05> (but I'd anyway place the thermo-sensor at *top* of the whole thing, making for a convenient automatic adjustment of vapor level
2014-01-02 15:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess the lid could use a huge heatsink so the HT230 goo can condensate and cycle instead of escape the can and vanish
2014-01-02 15:34 <wpwrak_> heh :) yeah, could be interesting at some point in the future. for now, i've made my peace with manual soldering. one day, i plan to be rich, buy me a bunch of CNC mills, then mod them to become pick and place machines and such. that way, such bulk-soldering techniques will become very interesting.
2014-01-02 15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> well, this ~60buck total VP soldering setup isn't exctly for bulk production ;-)
2014-01-02 15:40 <DocScrutinizer05> rather a convenient way to solder stuff you impossibly can solder any other way at home, like huge BGA chips etc
2014-01-02 15:41 <wpwrak_> yeah, i've still been able to avoid BGA :) but i know that luck will run out eventually ...
2014-01-02 15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> with the two items above, plus some good solder paste, even noobs should be able to create almost perfect SMD PCBs
2014-01-02 15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd probably prefer that method over handsoldering even for extremely complex stuff like the android with glowing eyes ;-)
2014-01-02 15:44 <DocScrutinizer05> VP is *awesome*, judging by the physical basics of the whole process
2014-01-02 15:45 <DocScrutinizer05> no overheading, no problems to gheat up huge components and/or groundplanes
2014-01-02 15:45 <DocScrutinizer05> overheateing even
2014-01-02 15:45 <DocScrutinizer05> damn, typing sucks
2014-01-02 15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> time for coffee and a break
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2014-01-02 15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark anyway will be pleased to learn there are 50ml bottles easily available
2014-01-02 15:48 <DocScrutinizer05> courtesy Nikolaus, who OTOH denied any option to get that stuff from fab, since they would rather see us getting our soldering done by them
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2014-01-02 17:08 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: OOOOO
2014-01-02 17:09 <whitequark> that is awesome
2014-01-02 17:11 <wpwrak_> DocScrutinizer05: well, for the volume you'll need, you may as well start developing relations with good fabs. find their flaws before you have 1000+ units in the pipeline :)
2014-01-02 17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak_: sorry, you lost me
2014-01-02 17:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I think you don't know about GolDeliCo relations to fabs and status of evaluation of the yield and flaws
2014-01-02 17:19 <DocScrutinizer05> do you really think I whould've dared to start Neo900 project without GolDeliCo already having a decent fab for complete production, that we know can really handle that task?
2014-01-02 17:20 <DocScrutinizer05> wel, "complete" as far as PCB manuf goes. I think they don't do housing/mech
2014-01-02 17:23 <DocScrutinizer05> what do you think who soldered the modem onto the pcb:  http://neo900.org/news-0005-phase-i-results-ohsw-showcase
2014-01-02 17:23 <wpwrak_> ah, okay. thought you may still need to make that choice. i mean, in germany it shouldn't be that hard to find a fab run by decent engineers :)
2014-01-02 17:24 <wpwrak_> i think in china they learn this kind of soldering in kindergarten :)
2014-01-02 17:34 <DocScrutinizer05> re China, I'm pleased to state that our fab is magnitudes better than what FIQ offered to OM
2014-01-02 17:36 <DocScrutinizer05> I think in Chinal they learn completely different things in Kindergarden. E:G. to ignore all manuals since they are too complex anyway. Rather throw sufficient try&error effort on anything you do, and learn to smile at bitching customers
2014-01-02 17:40 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: yeah :-)
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2014-01-02 17:58 <whitequark> ... wow http://i.imgur.com/IUiSaDz.gif
2014-01-02 18:00 <JewFro297> ...wat
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2014-01-02 18:42 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: HIHI
2014-01-02 18:43 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: I probably had taken the whole contraption with me ;-)
2014-01-02 18:43 <DocScrutinizer05> the keyboard looks pathetic
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2014-01-02 19:36 <whitequark> the mill has arrived to the remailer!
2014-01-02 19:37 <whitequark> fedex is amazing. not only they worked through what is considered holidays, but also they were able to accurately predict the arrival time
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2014-01-02 21:05 <wpwrak_> whitequark: the sequence makes the clip even nicer: looks as if there was a fake front on top of another fake front ;-)
2014-01-02 21:07 <wpwrak_> (fedex) they're great. if it can be done at all, they do it. i've had all the others drop the ball on occasion but never fedex.
2014-01-02 21:26 <DocScrutinizer05> anybody got a pointer for me to decode data from /dev/input/ts ?
2014-01-02 21:26 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/aaf04ba9c9
2014-01-02 21:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I gather it must follow some sort of standard for input devices
2014-01-02 21:31 <nicksydney> DocScrutinizer05: this one is saying http://neo900.org/photos/neo900/pcb-a0/DSC01787.JPG ... I show you mine if you show me yours :)
2014-01-02 21:32 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?
2014-01-02 21:55 <larsc> DocScrutinizer05: http://kerneldox.com/kdox-linux/d5/df7/structinput__event.html
2014-01-02 21:56 <DocScrutinizer05> larsc: many thanks
2014-01-02 21:57 <DocScrutinizer05> hah, struct timeval 	time I gathered already :-D
2014-01-02 21:57 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet it#s 32bit size
2014-01-02 21:57 <larsc> on legacy 32bit systems at least
2014-01-02 21:58 <DocScrutinizer05> on mine :-)
2014-01-02 22:03 <DocScrutinizer05> God, that's conveniently self-referencing when you want to find out about enum type
2014-01-02 22:06 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/ 00172  * Event types
2014-01-02 22:07 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly C is about as poorly selfdocumenting a language as it gets
2014-01-02 22:08 <whitequark> the only good thing about C is that you have to deliberately go out of your way to make a language worse
2014-01-02 22:10 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
2014-01-02 22:10 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
2014-01-02 22:10 <DocScrutinizer05> 00754  * Relative axes
2014-01-02 22:10 <DocScrutinizer05> now I *guess* this will show up *somewhere* in struct input_event {...}
2014-01-02 22:11 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-68929.html
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2014-01-02 22:14 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: great! Nicolai to the rescue. And python of course
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2014-01-02 22:15 <DocScrutinizer05> though we again see an excellent example how python format depending syntax SUCKS!!!
2014-01-02 22:17 <DocScrutinizer05> let's see
2014-01-02 22:18 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah MUCH better http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68929
2014-01-02 22:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I still wonder where from he got his event=0 and event=3 stuff
2014-01-02 22:19 <DocScrutinizer05> err type, but nevertheless
2014-01-02 22:20 <larsc> probably from the documentation ;)
2014-01-02 22:21 <larsc> 3 is absolute position, 0 is sync
2014-01-02 22:26 <DocScrutinizer05> 0 is sync???
2014-01-02 22:26 <DocScrutinizer05> what's "sync"?
2014-01-02 22:29 <DocScrutinizer05> some sort of ETX?
2014-01-02 22:29 <larsc> tells you that the event is complete
2014-01-02 22:30 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
2014-01-02 22:31 <DocScrutinizer05> that documentation you refer to is afaik usually decently hidden somewhere in /usr/share/docs/some-really-weird-filename
2014-01-02 22:31 <DocScrutinizer05> only if you're lucky and your system didn't suffer a purgedoc
2014-01-02 22:33 <larsc> https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/input/
2014-01-02 22:33 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)))
2014-01-02 22:33 <DocScrutinizer05> event-codes.txt \o/
2014-01-02 22:39 <DocScrutinizer05> larsc: another noob's silly question: now that I have opened the /dev/input/ts for read, and I guess X11 did as well, will both processes see all events or are they 'randomly' handed out to only one of both, so both processes see statistically only every 2nd event?
2014-01-02 22:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd guess they should show up at all read()s in sync, no?
2014-01-02 22:41 <DocScrutinizer05> for a 'normal' file this situation is pretty defined, each read() has its own read pointer
2014-01-02 22:41 <DocScrutinizer05> for concurrent writes it already starts getting funny
2014-01-02 22:41 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: naw it's duplicated for each process
2014-01-02 22:41 <whitequark> same for /dev/input/eventX
2014-01-02 22:41 <DocScrutinizer05> thought as much. Thanks
2014-01-02 22:43 <DocScrutinizer05> will the driver's _get() function get called once for each event or once for each process reading an event?
2014-01-02 22:44 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW is the duplication done in driver's code or in the lib that handles this
2014-01-02 22:44 <whitequark> for that you'll need to look at the code...
2014-01-02 22:44 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
2014-01-02 22:45 <larsc> the dupliucation is done in the kernels core input code
2014-01-02 22:45 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks to your first link you shared, I'm almost there already
2014-01-02 22:46 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks! stopping to annoy and pester you ;-)
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2014-01-02 22:58 <DocScrutinizer05> epic!:
2014-01-02 22:58 <DocScrutinizer05> EV_PWR events are a special type of event used specifically for power
2014-01-02 22:58 <DocScrutinizer05> mangement. Its usage is not well defined. To be addressed later.
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2014-01-02 23:30 <whitequark> wpwrak_: you'll like reddit.com/r/nononono
2014-01-02 23:30 <whitequark> it's a subreddit about expensive machinery breaking
2014-01-02 23:31 <whitequark> e.g. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0fc_1388489866
2014-01-02 23:43 <wpwrak_> sweet ;-) i'm not quite sure what i saw but that machine crossing over while spilling white-hot steel looked rather interesting :)
2014-01-02 23:44 <whitequark> apparently it's some kind of malfunction, for which the damage mitigation consists of dumping a thin layer of steel on the floor
2014-01-02 23:48 <wpwrak_> what, not this ? http://totalfratmove.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/76431abd9675b83ba3b7b021956ba715408023247.jpg
2014-01-02 23:49 <wpwrak_> or at least this ? http://www.pics22.com/does-this-sign-mean-urinate-in-case-of-fire/
2014-01-02 23:49 <whitequark> the sign means exactly that
2014-01-02 23:49 <whitequark> I'm not really sure in what context it appears though
2014-01-02 23:51 <wpwrak_> "hmm, we should put a sign here." "okay, i'll make one when i'm finished with the bottle."  http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1294089352451_1675164.png
2014-01-02 23:52 <larsc> save the planet with one bottle of vodka at a time?