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2013-12-30 10:51 <apelete> good morning
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2013-12-30 11:07 <kyak> indeed
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2013-12-30 12:43 <wpwrak_> DocScrutinizer05: ooh, you rolled back to 255 ? damn 8 bit counter registers
2013-12-30 12:47 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
2013-12-30 12:48 <DocScrutinizer05> well, usual undo for bogus donations
2013-12-30 12:49 <DocScrutinizer05> somebody hit "send" twice, or 4 weeks ago somebody donated and CC finally didn't transfer / did reject
2013-12-30 12:49 <DocScrutinizer05> or money transfer didn't arrive after 4 weeks or whatever
2013-12-30 12:50 <DocScrutinizer05> Pledged: 53425.00 EUR   Received: 52575.00 EUR   -- click on "255 devices"!
2013-12-30 12:51 <DocScrutinizer05> >>subject to corrections for cancelled/rolled-back transactions<<
2013-12-30 12:52 <wpwrak_> yes yes, i know. it's just funny to see it dance around the "magic" 1 << 8 :)
2013-12-30 12:53 <DocScrutinizer05> Nikolaus back from his short holiday
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2013-12-30 13:22 <DocScrutinizer05> dnag! tapping the SIM data lines between modem and SIM voids the FCC approval
2013-12-30 13:22 <DocScrutinizer05> so **we** can't do that
2013-12-30 13:23 <DocScrutinizer05> re http://www.golem.de/news/java-sim-infizierte-sim-karte-schickt-position-alle-fuenf-minuten-1312-103603.html
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2013-12-30 13:24 <DocScrutinizer05> which is so old it already collected sufficient dust to make the SIM inoperable due to contact problems
2013-12-30 13:25 <wpwrak_> i see ... i see ... a few "0R DNP" :)
2013-12-30 13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> me too me too
2013-12-30 13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
2013-12-30 13:26 <DocScrutinizer05> actually, those 0402 R footprints are pretty confusing when 2 R are parallel to each other ;-)
2013-12-30 13:26 <wpwrak_> "for diagnostic purposes" :)
2013-12-30 13:26 <wpwrak_> yeah, they are ;-)
2013-12-30 13:26 <DocScrutinizer05> you never can tell from the footprints which orientation the Rs are supposed to be
2013-12-30 13:29 <DocScrutinizer05> though we need a level shifter
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2013-12-30 14:01 <larsc> apelete: your patch got merged upstream as a christmas present :)
2013-12-30 14:10 <pcercuei> nice :)
2013-12-30 14:10 <apelete> saw the usb driver got merged for 3.14 indeed, hooray :)
2013-12-30 14:11 <apelete> larsc: now I'm waiting for the mips platform data patches to get merged too
2013-12-30 14:12 <apelete> musb driver feature won't be complete without those
2013-12-30 14:13 <apelete> larsc: are you back from holidays already ?
2013-12-30 14:14 <larsc> no, I'm at the 30c3 at the moment
2013-12-30 14:15 <apelete> what's 30c3 ?
2013-12-30 14:15 <larsc> the MIPS patches will be merged, I know the person who takes care about this
2013-12-30 14:15 <larsc> chaos communication congress
2013-12-30 14:15 <larsc> https://events.ccc.de/congress/2013/wiki/Main_Page
2013-12-30 14:16 <apelete> didn't knew about that event, thanks for the link
2013-12-30 14:16 <larsc> last day today
2013-12-30 14:17 <apelete> nice. got back from Paris yesterday, got a couple of holidays left before going back to work
2013-12-30 14:18 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, is there a multiplexer design that does A<->Out for Control=1, B<->Out for Control=0, but A<->Out<->B for Control=highZ  ?
2013-12-30 14:18 <apelete> larsc: didn't have time to work on the nanonote during the week :-(, did a lot of work on the family servers instead :-)
2013-12-30 14:19 <apelete> I hope to get back at it this week
2013-12-30 14:19 <larsc> I didn't even pack my nanonote
2013-12-30 14:19 <apelete> ha ha :)
2013-12-30 14:19 <larsc> but somebody gave me one of werners wpan modules
2013-12-30 14:20 <larsc> here at the congress
2013-12-30 14:20 <apelete> nice
2013-12-30 14:20 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders a nifty combination of MOSFETs
2013-12-30 14:22 <wpwrak_> larsc: only one ? will be hard to find something to talk to then
2013-12-30 14:22 <larsc> wpwrak_: yea, a friend said he'll send me a usb dongle
2013-12-30 14:22 <wpwrak_> DocScrutinizer05: use two control lines ?
2013-12-30 14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> too obvious
2013-12-30 14:24 <apelete> larsc pcercuei: I bought a gcw-zero from qbertaddict on #gcw, things should get even more interesting (and busy) soon
2013-12-30 14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> some " 1 1: Not Defined, do not use!" will not suffice ;-)
2013-12-30 14:24 <wpwrak_> btw, i threw the reverse-voltage protection FET out of anelok. not only did it produce that mystery resitance to GND but i also realized that it could make low battery situations worse by throttling the battery
2013-12-30 14:26 <DocScrutinizer05> reverse voltage protection is always a pain. Only feasible concept: fuse plus clamp diode
2013-12-30 14:26 <wpwrak_> one positive feedback loop into disaster less :)
2013-12-30 14:26 <wpwrak_> well, cr2032 can do it mechanically if the + contact is on the side and not on top
2013-12-30 14:26 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
2013-12-30 14:26 <DocScrutinizer05> already wondered what for you need that
2013-12-30 14:27 <DocScrutinizer05> btw for a CR2032 you don't even need a fuse
2013-12-30 14:27 <wpwrak_> the only risk would then be that the circuit may not like VBAT to be shorted to GND, which is something you could still sneak past a mechanical barrier, at least for a short moment
2013-12-30 14:27 <DocScrutinizer05> Z is high enough already
2013-12-30 14:27 <wpwrak_> yeah, Z kinda sucks :)
2013-12-30 14:29 <apelete> <larsc> the MIPS patches will be merged, I know the person who takes care about this
2013-12-30 14:29 <apelete> I guess you're talking about Ralf Baechle, do you know how he manages his tree ?
2013-12-30 14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess a CR2032 must have several dozen Ohms ESR
2013-12-30 14:30 <apelete> larsc: I mean, do you think the patches will be merged for 3.13 or 3.14 instead ?
2013-12-30 14:31 <apelete> 3.13 is already at rc6, and 3.14 merge window will open in mid-january it seems
2013-12-30 14:34 <larsc> apelete: ralf is afk for a while, but blogic is taking care of the MIPS tree at the moment
2013-12-30 14:34 <larsc> blogic asked me if it is ok to merge the patches for 3.14 so I assume they'll be merged
2013-12-30 14:35 <apelete> awesome, thanks for letting me know
2013-12-30 14:35 <larsc> apelete: http://patchwork.linux-mips.org/project/linux-mips/list/
2013-12-30 14:37 <wpwrak_> DocScrutinizer05: about 20 while it's >= 50% full. the it rises slowly to 40, and then skyrockets in the last 10%  or so
2013-12-30 14:37 <apelete> larsc: ok, so I'd better let the process goes on and move onto adding dma for the MMC driver as we talked about
2013-12-30 14:37 <wpwrak_> http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/cr2032.pdf
2013-12-30 14:40 <DocScrutinizer05> cool
2013-12-30 14:41 <DocScrutinizer05> max reverse charge: 1uA. LOL
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2013-12-30 14:43 <pcercuei> huh, looks like I can't push my changes to gmenu2x' repo
2013-12-30 14:44 <pcercuei> Permission denied (publickey).
2013-12-30 14:50 <larsc> you still have your ssh key in your list?
2013-12-30 14:50 <larsc> http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/preferences/
2013-12-30 14:50 <pcercuei> yes I do
2013-12-30 14:51 <pcercuei> and it's still the same
2013-12-30 14:51 <qi-bot> [commit] Lars-Peter Clausen: test (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/30524a0
2013-12-30 14:52 <pcercuei> :p
2013-12-30 14:52 <pcercuei> weird
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2013-12-30 15:32 <whitequark> http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article3960759.ece
2013-12-30 15:33 <whitequark> ...
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2013-12-30 15:54 <kyak> "To see the full article you need to subscribe"
2013-12-30 15:54 <kyak> so who is putin now? :)
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2013-12-30 16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm, not really exciting
2013-12-30 16:09 <viric> Judo six dan?
2013-12-30 16:10 <viric> I thought he was more of sambo
2013-12-30 16:50 <kyak> no, he tricked you into thinking that he is more of a sambo. Typical judo thing!
2013-12-30 16:51 <viric> ha, crazy war arts
2013-12-30 17:00 <wpwrak_> whee, more smoke: http://www.infobae.com/2013/12/30/1534043-espectacular-incendio-una-camara-luz-caballito
2013-12-30 17:01 <wpwrak_> yet another electrical substation went up in flames. since nobody could be bothers to turn off the electricity, the firefighters have been waiting for some 1.5 hours without doing anything.
2013-12-30 17:03 <wpwrak_> that's .. hmm, within walking distance from my place.let's see if i can see the smoke
2013-12-30 17:04 <viric> I remember here when snow made some mid-tension cables fall
2013-12-30 17:04 <viric> electric fire on snow for hours
2013-12-30 17:04 <viric> And I guess that earth potential difference between your legs could kill you, if you weren't careful
2013-12-30 17:04 <wpwrak_> nothing to see
2013-12-30 17:05 <viric> "nada que ver"? :)
2013-12-30 17:05 <wpwrak_> heh :)
2013-12-30 17:05 <wpwrak_> i was looking for the smoke column. but maybe they extinguished it since. that video is from one hour ago.
2013-12-30 17:11 <wpwrak_> ah yes, in the second video, 30' later, the smoke is already almost gone
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2013-12-30 18:44 <JewFro297> Does the wishbone interconnect support connections between multiple clock domains?
2013-12-30 18:59 * whitequark looks at http://leaflabs.com/docs/hardware/maple.html#general and sighs
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2013-12-30 19:00 <JewFro297> That's quite a depressing mistake
2013-12-30 19:01 <whitequark> that is a whole list of mistakes...
2013-12-30 19:02 <JewFro297> I kept reading... Those are really depressing mistakes
2013-12-30 19:03 <whitequark> fortunately I'm using a chinese clone of the board
2013-12-30 19:03 <whitequark> somehow they were able to get it right on version 1.0
2013-12-30 19:03 <JewFro297> LOL
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2013-12-30 19:03 <JewFro297> maybe because they designed it to the advertised specs
2013-12-30 19:04 <wpwrak_> it's bad if the clones are earlier and better than the original ;-)
2013-12-30 19:05 <whitequark> well, iteadstudio (the company who cloned the board) seems to have rather competent engineers in general
2013-12-30 19:05 <whitequark> guess they can't afford incompetence!
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2013-12-30 19:08 <metalfreak> hi
2013-12-30 19:09 <JewFro297> Sup
2013-12-30 19:11 <zrafa> kristianpaul: hey
2013-12-30 19:11 <zrafa> kristianpaul: how are you?
2013-12-30 19:14 <wpwrak_> hmm. screen dump from my scope: black signals on a black grid with a black background.
2013-12-30 19:14 <JewFro297> Seems legit.
2013-12-30 19:15 <JewFro297> Anyone know of a good cheap (and I mean really cheap) logic analyzer?
2013-12-30 19:15 <whitequark> buspirate?
2013-12-30 19:15 <wpwrak_> a few leds ? :)
2013-12-30 19:17 <JewFro297> Buspirate is pretty, but only appears to support serial transactions
2013-12-30 19:18 <JewFro297> Then again, it's still more useful than nothing
2013-12-30 19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> those 200bucks USB-"scopes" usually come with 8bit TTL level logic analyzer
2013-12-30 19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> 8bit since that's their internal storage width for the scope signal
2013-12-30 19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> aka "resolution"
2013-12-30 19:24 <JewFro297> I think there's actually a soft one that Altera has for their FPGAs... I'll have to look into that
2013-12-30 19:25 <whitequark> JewFro297: the question is how high frequency do you need
2013-12-30 19:26 <JewFro297> Probably 100MHz. Then again, I might not need anything. It's more of a want
2013-12-30 19:27 <whitequark> 100MHz is a lot
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2013-12-30 19:28 <JewFro297> Yeah, I think it's a lost cause to get something cheap with said capability.
2013-12-30 19:38 <DocScrutinizer05> those 20bucks USB thingies are usually up to 20MHz
2013-12-30 19:38 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
2013-12-30 19:38 <DocScrutinizer05> 200bucks even
2013-12-30 19:39 <whitequark> http://www.saleae.com/logic16 is $300 and can sample 2ch at 100MHz
2013-12-30 19:40 <whitequark> dunno if it fits your definition of cheap
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2013-12-30 19:42 <JewFro297> Hmm, actually that looks pretty nice
2013-12-30 19:42 <JewFro297> oh but it's only 12.5 on a 16 bit bus
2013-12-30 19:42 <whitequark> their software is seriously great
2013-12-30 19:43 <whitequark> especially on *nix
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2013-12-30 21:06 <whitequark> hahaha, recall our discussion the other day about hard drives?
2013-12-30 21:06 <whitequark> "An implant hidden in the firmware of hard drives from manufacturers including Western Digital, Seagate, Maxtor and Samsung that replaces the Master Boot Record (MBR).
2013-12-30 21:06 <whitequark> http://hackaday.com/2013/12/30/hacking-and-philosophy-surveillance-state/
2013-12-30 21:09 <whitequark> also this: http://www.spiegel.de/static/happ/netzwelt/2014/na/v1/pub/img/Handy/S3222_MONKEYCALENDAR.jpg
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2013-12-30 22:08 <habs> I'm thinking about buying a Nanonote from Pulster, but I have a few questions before I take the leap. First, are there any firmwares on the Nanonote that aren't free software yet (wheter it be NAND firmware or EC firmware)?  Second, as I understand it the Nanonote doesn't come with a wireless card. What would be a "good enough" wireless card I could buy for the Nanonote that runs with a free firmware?
2013-12-30 22:08 <habs> Third, how active is the Nanonote community today? Thanks.
2013-12-30 22:09 <ysionneau> wpwrak_ is often doing some nice hacks with the SDIO port
2013-12-30 22:09 <whitequark> habs: I don't think there is any non-free firmware on Nanonote at all
2013-12-30 22:10 <ysionneau> and larsc apelete and maybe others are maintaining/improving/bugfixing the nanonote kernel
2013-12-30 22:10 <whitequark> or actually any firmware except the code running on CPU
2013-12-30 22:14 <wpwrak_> (fw) well, the cpu has a boot rom that's closed ...
2013-12-30 22:14 <wpwrak_> (wireless) there is this: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/wpan/web/
2013-12-30 22:33 <habs> Well, I'm pretty sure you guys' quick response times answered my thrid question; thanks
2013-12-30 22:36 <ysionneau> ;)
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2013-12-30 22:47 <wpwrak_> the nanonote community is actually not that active. but there are lots of people around (i.e., here or on the list) who know the nanonote.
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2013-12-30 23:22 <zrafa> habs: to reply how active comm is you should give us your range of "no-activity" - "activity" :)
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