2013-12-20 00:03 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-12-20 00:04 mth has quit [] 2013-12-20 00:13 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-12-20 01:37 how's the inverse of frequency of arbitrary events called? 2013-12-20 01:37 (no, there cannot be a wavelength of http requests, although that'll make a good novelty function name) 2013-12-20 01:58 I guess "period" works 2013-12-20 01:58 mth has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-20 02:41 Guest71516 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-12-20 02:41 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2013-12-20 03:00 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-20 03:23 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-20 03:58 (([2013-12-19 20:48:44] surprisingly, FSF just did something sane)) BWAHAAAHAAA They endorsed a closed undocumented firmware! in the HDD 2013-12-20 04:00 ooh lekernel beats me to it 2013-12-20 04:01 ffio has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-20 04:02 panda|w530 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-12-20 04:04 whitequark: that's "period" indeed 2013-12-20 04:04 period = 1/f 2013-12-20 04:05 f=10/s period = 1/(10/s) = 0.1s 2013-12-20 04:06 Hz==1/s 2013-12-20 04:10 FFS a 2 weeks ago I at least had a sort of day/night rhythm that was like "go to sleep 1200, wake up 1700". Now it's totally damaged. Like sleep:1900, wake 0500 2013-12-20 04:10 and then a 48h awake 2013-12-20 04:11 and a 2h sleep from 2300 to 0100 2013-12-20 04:11 and another 24h awake 2013-12-20 04:11 then 48h sleep or so 2013-12-20 04:12 :-S 2013-12-20 04:14 i'm pondering to answer RMS' mails to me with a "Hello Mr Stallman! I wonder how you could reject endorsement of Neo900 while same time approving a laptop with a closed blob firmware in the HDD(!!)" 2013-12-20 04:16 you guys elaborated above how HDD isn't a threat for privacy of user in that X60. I say the modem in Neo900 is even less of any potential threat to user's privacy than any HDD. after all you don't boot from HDD 2013-12-20 04:18 and ANY data you send to or receive from the intarnet is considered 'unsafe' and tampered by definition, since it moves thru 2 bazillion possibly rogue devices, so your own modem is your least concern 2013-12-20 04:20 so what remains of the potential privacy and security threat from modem? inadverted listening? moot on Neo900. inadverted GPS and cell tower based disclosing of your position? moot on Neo900. Anybody anything else? 2013-12-20 04:22 on a sidenote: I found our subway has a very convenient single BTS distributed via pipe antenna in ~7km of the subway tube (with 1 or 2 dumb repeaters) 2013-12-20 04:22 means they can't tell where in that subway tube you are 2013-12-20 04:23 DocScrutinizer05: (sleep) how can you pull this at all? it's not like you're 17 2013-12-20 04:24 exactly. maybe that's why I feel like a turd cone 2013-12-20 04:24 try melatonin, it's nice for fixing the pattern 2013-12-20 04:25 prolly restricted here in germany 2013-12-20 04:25 seriously? why? 2013-12-20 04:25 supposedly intended for medical use 2013-12-20 04:26 you mustn't sell medicine here without approval 2013-12-20 04:26 I'm not sure I understand... I'd buy it from a drugstore here 2013-12-20 04:26 otc 2013-12-20 04:26 that doesn't apply for "nutritional additives" though, like vitamines etc 2013-12-20 04:27 it's really complex nonsense 2013-12-20 04:27 oh, seems like it's indeed prescription in germany, for some reason 2013-12-20 04:27 and uk, france and canada. what the hell is up with them? 2013-12-20 04:30 yeah, they are mad. they sell Ascorbin acid like nothing (sane) and mix Iron salts to popcorn and cornflakes and milk drinks and whatnot, so you get a 10 times overdose with "normal" eating, but same time they make ephedrine containing preparations non-sellable at all (even with prescription) while ephedra officialis tea is still freely available 2013-12-20 04:31 it's really hard to overdose on water-soluble vitamins so I won't sweat it.but I see your point 2013-12-20 04:31 but then they sell paracetamol as painkiller, and in the fineprint they tell you about "taking 200% of the recommended dosage is a sure killer" 2013-12-20 04:32 I read that paracetamol overdose is a rather significant cause of death overall 2013-12-20 04:32 yes 2013-12-20 04:32 you cough out your liver 2013-12-20 04:33 particularly when taken together with alcohol 2013-12-20 04:33 now that you say it, paracetamol-containing stuff is everywhere here, too. flu? take four 500g packets a day, that'll help 2013-12-20 04:34 for good 2013-12-20 04:34 never again flu ;-P 2013-12-20 04:34 nah it actually helps 2013-12-20 04:34 but I can easily see why people are overdosing 2013-12-20 04:35 yeah it#s in wick medinight and 3 dozen other flu meds 2013-12-20 04:35 :S 2013-12-20 04:35 it's called "teraflu" here 2013-12-20 04:35 mainly that and its ripoffs 2013-12-20 04:35 but yeah 2013-12-20 04:35 take two of them, and paracetamol tablets on top, and next day you're finally cured from flu 2013-12-20 04:36 we have a saying, "you can take meds and flu will be gone in 14 days, or not take them and it'll be gone in two weeks" 2013-12-20 04:36 same here 2013-12-20 04:36 oh and actual doctors recommending insanely expensive homeopathic shit 2013-12-20 04:37 with sufficient paracetamol however you have a chance it will go away faster. like the latest when the doctors signs the decease-paper 2013-12-20 04:37 both literally homeopathic and just some drug which was tested once in 1970s in ukraine and usa 2013-12-20 04:37 and only ukraine found it has any effect. guess which results the vendor uses for their 'medical' reasoning 2013-12-20 04:38 sure, worlwide best common practice ;-P 2013-12-20 04:38 this shit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tilorone 2013-12-20 04:38 test and make studies until one shows an effect, then sell 2013-12-20 04:39 OMG interferon 2013-12-20 04:39 what about it? 2013-12-20 04:40 friends of mine had a hard time pondering and deciding if they want to really do a interferon therapy for their hepa-C 2013-12-20 04:40 it has *severe* side effects 2013-12-20 04:40 that usually don't go away ever 2013-12-20 04:40 oh well, I guess that's a different drug. you know, the one which works 2013-12-20 04:41 yeah, possubly 2013-12-20 04:41 tilorone is pretty much placebo 2013-12-20 04:41 look at this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=tilorone+antiviral 2013-12-20 04:41 tamiflu same 2013-12-20 04:41 97 papers, most of them russian, most of them not even very relevant 2013-12-20 04:41 afaik tamiflu actually shows some results 2013-12-20 04:42 yeah, it used to, years ago. meanwhile it's as effective as tetracycline is for antibioticum 2013-12-20 04:42 it's a neuraminidase inhibitor with an understood mechanism of action 2013-12-20 04:42 oh, you mean flu adapted? 2013-12-20 04:42 hm 2013-12-20 04:42 yep, particularly the virus understodd the way it works ;-P 2013-12-20 04:42 first time I hear this, interesting 2013-12-20 04:42 hah 2013-12-20 04:42 yes, this sounds believable. flu mutates like hell 2013-12-20 04:43 first suggestion by pubmed to "oseltamivir" is "oseltamivir resistance" :S 2013-12-20 04:45 * DocScrutinizer05 is short on milk for coffee :-/ 2013-12-20 04:45 so my whole nutrition is at stake 2013-12-20 04:46 can't you just live off electrons? 2013-12-20 04:46 well, the better half of it. other half is the 100g sugar per cup 2013-12-20 04:47 the elctrons are needed by my peripherals, not by my central processing unit 2013-12-20 04:48 I really wonder if RMS ever got my answers to the mails he sent me 2013-12-20 04:48 and if so, them what a dude that is who doesn't answer back again 2013-12-20 04:48 depends on the meaning of "got" there 2013-12-20 04:48 hehe 2013-12-20 04:49 yeah, maybe he read it but didn't get it 2013-12-20 04:49 ;-P 2013-12-20 04:49 but even then... 2013-12-20 04:50 if you're not a too arrogant individula, you send a "please elaborate" answer 2013-12-20 04:50 you seen the tmo post where I quoted my answers? 2013-12-20 04:51 * DocScrutinizer05 idly glares at JollaPhone, then at mixer in kitchen 2013-12-20 04:53 DocScrutinizer05: (post) I don't think so 2013-12-20 04:53 o.O 2013-12-20 04:53 I've seen it scroll through the backlog, but I was busy at time 2013-12-20 04:53 lemme find it in the logs... 2013-12-20 04:54 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1396903&postcount=1501 2013-12-20 04:54 oh, thanks 2013-12-20 04:55 yw 2013-12-20 04:55 > If the modem firmware can't be changed, it is effectively in ROM, so 2013-12-20 04:55 > it might as well be a circuit. It doesn't need to be considered 2013-12-20 04:55 > whether to endorse a product. 2013-12-20 04:55 > as software. For instance, the FSF can disregard it when judging 2013-12-20 04:55 what the fuck, how exactly does it change whether it's possible to add a backdoor 2013-12-20 04:55 (apart from the regular my-head-is-in-sand wrt/ mask rom and flash) 2013-12-20 04:56 exactly 2013-12-20 04:57 though, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1397339#post1397339 2013-12-20 04:58 I think qwazix is about right regarding RMS' and FSF's intentions and motivations 2013-12-20 04:58 yes, that makes sense 2013-12-20 04:59 doesn't make the whole affair seem less silly though 2013-12-20 05:00 yup 2013-12-20 05:01 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1397401&postcount=1520 sorry for lazy link, clicking upper right post number returns you to full thread left-adjusted display 2013-12-20 05:01 Thread: Neo900 - finally a successor of N900 2013-12-20 05:01 is the link to click 2013-12-20 05:02 points to http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1397401#post1397401 2013-12-20 05:03 this vBuletin setup is a tad silly 2013-12-20 05:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1397511&postcount=1525 2013-12-20 05:04 you could just have an option of a device without modem firmware 2013-12-20 05:05 for the one guy (RMS) who would actually buy it you can erase it manually or something 2013-12-20 05:08 unrelated: google's robots.txt sure has a lot of weird entries 2013-12-20 05:08 Disallow: /bsd? 2013-12-20 05:08 Disallow: /linux? 2013-12-20 05:08 Disallow: /microsoft? 2013-12-20 05:08 Disallow: /mac? 2013-12-20 05:08 Disallow: /unclesam? 2013-12-20 05:09 does NSA follow robots.txt now? 2013-12-20 05:21 lol 2013-12-20 05:21 * DocScrutinizer05 idly googles for eten glofiish m800 2013-12-20 05:22 oh, glofiish. familiar name. 2013-12-20 05:23 windows mobile 6... that's ancient 2013-12-20 05:27 WTF it has a compass??! 2013-12-20 05:27 never noticed 2013-12-20 05:36 http://www.inside-handy.de/handys/e-ten_glofiish-m800/1614_allgemein.html 2013-12-20 05:37 sure, the thing is like 4 or 5 years old 2013-12-20 05:37 Coolnessfaktor ? 2013-12-20 05:38 abysmal 2013-12-20 05:38 ffio has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 2013-12-20 05:38 just a knockoff of GTA02, with better modem, hw qwerty, and cameras 2013-12-20 05:39 I never managed to get to know about the whole true story beginf E-ten vs Openmoko 2013-12-20 05:39 a knockoff of GTA02, sure :p 2013-12-20 05:39 behind* 2013-12-20 05:39 wait, you're serious? 2013-12-20 05:39 yes, I'm serious 2013-12-20 05:40 same display/digitizer, same CPU 2013-12-20 05:40 a coincidence? you don't have too much of different parts accessible at the time 2013-12-20 05:40 at some point in time early during OM somebody must have gone the spinoff path 2013-12-20 05:41 or was there some other link between OM/E-ten 2013-12-20 05:42 I honestly dunno. I never heard the full story, just every now and then somebody mentioning it. IIRC their office even been a few km from OM office even 2013-12-20 05:42 huh 2013-12-20 05:43 Harald during one of his intercontinental flights to TPE RE'd the kbd driver of the glofiish M800 2013-12-20 05:43 to port OM/SHR to that platform 2013-12-20 05:43 wpwrak: ^^^ any coments regarding E-Ten glofiish M800/810? 2013-12-20 05:44 and the OM vs E-ten story? 2013-12-20 05:44 been before my time with OM 2013-12-20 05:45 anyway the 4 capacitive "buttons" been a real pain in the ass 2013-12-20 05:45 and the joystick not been much better 2013-12-20 05:46 the battery been a terrible monster with a 5pin connector. Never seen anything similar 2013-12-20 05:47 and I wonder where my klofish battery hides. 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