2013-12-18 00:01 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-12-18 00:37 freespac1 is now known as freespace 2013-12-18 00:51 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2013-12-18 00:53 wpwrak: not beer at 35°, but fridge that works absorber with gas heating (some even can take candle for power source ;-D ) 2013-12-18 00:53 during daytime probably even solar power will work to freeze your beer, the more sun the colder 2013-12-18 00:54 you find those critters in mobile homes aka campers usually 2013-12-18 00:55 nice design: not a single moving part (except door) 2013-12-18 00:55 so i guess that's what you call "solid state" 2013-12-18 00:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_refrigerator 2013-12-18 01:10 heh, i know that type. my parents had one. "early years of the 20th century" bah, well into the 1980es 2013-12-18 01:11 solar panels are risky, though. we get rather strong winds around here. and intense hailstorms. 2013-12-18 01:12 so fixed solar panels would get smashed about 3 times per year. unless you make them considerably stronger than a car roof. movable panels could become victims of those little tornados. 2013-12-18 01:13 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-12-18 01:13 well... do the math. around here if your building is big enough and you need enough thermal power even small gas motors with exhaust power reuse make sense economically 2013-12-18 01:15 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-12-18 01:17 yeah, most blackouts are well below 24 hours. and the big ones are highly clustered. so a permanent installation doesn't really make sense. 2013-12-18 01:18 i see... well.. buy a high powered generator, sit it out on gas 2013-12-18 01:18 or is there a reliable natural gas grid? 2013-12-18 01:20 possibly. so far it was reliable but i don't know at what point it may fail, too 2013-12-18 01:21 and no, i wouldn't get a BIG one. i'm not strong enough to move around a 100 kg machine 2013-12-18 01:21 besides, the bigger ones are shit quality 2013-12-18 01:22 whis one looks nice, though: http://www.yamahaef2000is.com/ 2013-12-18 01:22 alas, cost almost 3x as much as a cheap one with similar characteristics 2013-12-18 01:25 big is from my perspective 5-15kw 2013-12-18 01:25 enough to power an normal nerd household 2013-12-18 01:25 basically a small 3-phase power generator with electric starter 2013-12-18 01:25 5 kW+ is huge. not movable. 2013-12-18 01:26 something which could, combined with ups could turn on automatically 2013-12-18 01:26 sure.. 5kw is small.. think honda with a handle 2013-12-18 01:26 1-5 2013-12-18 01:26 yeah, right. i'm not trying to build a cult around the power failures :) 2013-12-18 01:26 15 is like a small air compressor. 2 wheels and a handle 2013-12-18 01:27 about 150-200 kg, i guess 2013-12-18 01:27 or very very very expensive but a but lighter 2013-12-18 01:27 already the cheap 2 kW ones are about 50 kg 2013-12-18 01:29 7.5 kW .. 92 kg 2013-12-18 01:29 that's the top of that range. let's see what the competition has ... 2013-12-18 01:32 ah, here's one: 16 kV, 176 kg 2013-12-18 01:33 but indeed, that one could also supply most of my air conditioners ;-) 2013-12-18 01:33 hm. the last small honda i handled we carried up stairs with 2 or 3 persons 2013-12-18 01:33 about 5kw, 2 phase output 2013-12-18 01:34 2-3 persons for 50 kg that sounds about right 2013-12-18 01:34 shouldnt 5kw already be enough when you leave the airco out of the picture? 2013-12-18 01:34 that was the last big outage i remember in berlin 2013-12-18 01:35 about 5-7 years ago.. about 1 hour... 2013-12-18 01:35 now, when power fails, i would either have to summon people to my place to carry the generator up to the terrace, kinda difficult if the power is out 2013-12-18 01:35 or drag it there myself 2013-12-18 01:35 we took the event to start up and then service the generator... the battery was dead.. so we carried it to a car and bridged them 2013-12-18 01:35 or ake it that big that nobody ever will move it away from terrace 2013-12-18 01:35 2 kW should be enough for the PC and screens. that's what i'm aiming for. A/C is too far out. 2013-12-18 01:35 put it in a shack on the terrace 2013-12-18 01:35 make* 2013-12-18 01:36 I'm also looking for a nice handy 2kW 2013-12-18 01:36 DocScrutinizer05: don't forget the elements. these things are usually not designed for prolonged outdoors use 2013-12-18 01:36 the yamaha looks kinda nice. quiet, modern technology 2013-12-18 01:36 meh, give it a plastic hood 2013-12-18 01:36 tank is a bit small 2013-12-18 01:37 plastic + wind = no plastic :) 2013-12-18 01:37 LOL 2013-12-18 01:39 wpwrak: or buy a big one and sell the power to the neighbours by the kwH 2013-12-18 01:40 hehe :) 2013-12-18 01:51 wtf is wrong with Europe or with yamaha? http://www.pfau-motorgeraete.de/Stromerzeuger/Stromerzeuger-EF2000iS-Yamaha--507.html 2013-12-18 01:52 1000$ vs 2000EUR 2013-12-18 01:52 well 1700EUR 2013-12-18 01:56 the Yamaha looks nice 2013-12-18 01:56 nice taxes. EUR 1700 looks actually more expensive than in argentina :) 2013-12-18 02:07 well, a little searching made that more like 1300 2013-12-18 02:37 kristianpaul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-12-18 02:39 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-18 02:46 kristianpaul has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 2013-12-18 02:46 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-18 03:07 wpwrak: your air conditioners ? 2013-12-18 03:08 how many do you need 2013-12-18 03:11 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-18 03:20 whitequark: naw, i just want my pc to have power. i can survive without air conditioning. drink more water, take more showers :) 2013-12-18 03:20 well, pc, and if it's a really long blackout, also the fridge 2013-12-18 03:24 spoken by a true geek 2013-12-18 03:24 "the beer must flow" ? :p 2013-12-18 03:26 yeah :) 2013-12-18 03:27 beer is important. liquid carbohydrates. because, without power, it's 14 floors down to go shopping, then 14 floors up again 2013-12-18 03:28 maybe 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([expletive] because it's impossible to translate while preserving the fine details of meaning) 2013-12-18 18:49 dialogue after the impact: "[expletive] awesome... [idiomatic expletive meaning "copulating cats"], [expletive]... we're swimming... wow, [expletive]... where are we swimming? to the shore, [expletive]. straight? to the shore. don't touch the steering wheel" 2013-12-18 18:55 kewl :) i love the coolness with which they react to all those accidents 2013-12-18 18:57 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-12-18 18:59 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-18 19:43 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-12-18 20:19 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-12-18 20:49 zrafa: btw, are you having any luck with taking to the freescale chips ? 2013-12-18 21:27 wpwrak: I have not started yet 2013-12-18 21:28 wpwrak: we will try with a parallel port . But first we will do some tiny board to expose the pins as well 2013-12-18 21:29 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-18 21:59 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-18 22:00 hmm, better use ben + ubb 2013-12-18 22:16 wpwrak: I was thinking in that as well, tempted because the 3.3v from ubb :) 2013-12-18 22:16 wpwrak: but we did not do much yet. Lot of bored stuff with students now at the end of the year :( 2013-12-18 22:16 (papers, forms, exams) 2013-12-18 22:29 lekernel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-12-18 22:43 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-12-18 22:45 wpwrak: meh, I have forgot how to use fped again... 2013-12-18 22:46 I can't make it make a pad without failing 2013-12-18 22:49 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-18 22:49 http://folk.ntnu.no/nicko/moar_stuff/circularthing.fpd 2013-12-18 22:49 Trying to make a pad from vec __0 and __1 does not work 2013-12-18 23:01 nickoe: that's because you have a loop 2013-12-18 23:02 mmm, on those? 2013-12-18 23:02 nickoe: the loop repeats everything in its frame, including the pads 2013-12-18 23:02 also when it does not use the loop, m? 2013-12-18 23:03 so I just need to creat another fram with the loop 2013-12-18 23:03 yes, that will work 2013-12-18 23:07 wpwrak: mmm, does not even work like this, http://folk.ntnu.no/nicko/moar_stuff/circularthing2.fpd 2013-12-18 23:09 if it ever uploads 2013-12-18 23:11 now 2013-12-18 23:26 your loop is still in the root frame 2013-12-18 23:26 so fped repeats the root frame (and everything below)