2013-12-12 00:00 <apelete> larsc_: just to let you know, just fixed the issue where the kernel was crashing when device was connected to a usb host -> http://paste.debian.net/70453/
2013-12-12 00:03 <apelete> next step: test if device is doing ethernet-over-usb as expected (ie, connecting the nanote to the internet via usb and see if it works)
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2013-12-12 00:43 <nicksydney> wpwrak: nah still doesn't work....surprised that your was working
2013-12-12 00:57 <wpwrak> hmm. nothing at all ? what does dmesg on linux say ?
2013-12-12 01:06 <wpwrak> i read about problems with linux. i was thus pleasantly surprised that i could make the update without hitting them.
2013-12-12 01:06 <wpwrak> if you board is older than mine, maybe it has an older version of the bootloader as well. that could explain incompatibilities.
2013-12-12 01:11 <nicksydney> looks like there is a problem with the cable...here is what i get
2013-12-12 01:12 <nicksydney> http://pastebin.com/NLNft5wE
2013-12-12 01:12 <nicksydney> i tried both SDA and non-SDA usb
2013-12-12 01:13 <nicksydney> dmesg comes out with something
2013-12-12 01:13 <nicksydney> but it is not mounting
2013-12-12 01:22 <wpwrak> that looks pretty good
2013-12-12 01:22 <wpwrak> what happens if you try to mount it ?
2013-12-12 01:23 <wpwrak> ah, the log is longer .. reading ...
2013-12-12 01:23 <wpwrak> "Using Reset button (connected to SDA)" is what you want
2013-12-12 01:23 <wpwrak> then try to mount it
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2013-12-12 01:31 <nicksydney> let me try
2013-12-12 01:35 <nicksydney> sudo mount -L BOOTLOADER /mnt/tmp....it just waiting for something :)
2013-12-12 01:36 <wpwrak> good. sometimes it can take a moment.
2013-12-12 01:36 <nicksydney> ok crossing fingers and toes :)
2013-12-12 01:36 <nicksydney> hope this works
2013-12-12 01:36 <nicksydney> if this works...that's one damn SLOW mounting
2013-12-12 01:36 <wpwrak> depending on your system mounting by label may also not work at all
2013-12-12 01:37 <wpwrak> well, i think it tries all the block devices to see which one is the right one
2013-12-12 01:37 <wpwrak> not sure how smart it is about devices that don't want to respond
2013-12-12 01:37 <wpwrak> anything interesting on dmesg ?
2013-12-12 01:38 <wpwrak> if that mount doesn't work, just check the device name in dmesg and mount the /dev/sdc (or whatever it is) directly
2013-12-12 01:46 <nicksydney> crazy...
2013-12-12 01:46 <nicksydney> http://pastebin.com/7yxAbFDg
2013-12-12 01:47 <wpwrak> ouch
2013-12-12 01:48 <wpwrak> maybe try a different usb port, different cable, ... ?
2013-12-12 01:48 <wpwrak> ... different pc :)
2013-12-12 01:49 <nicksydney> :)
2013-12-12 01:49 <nicksydney> let me see
2013-12-12 01:53 <nicksydney> trying with /dev/sdc
2013-12-12 02:02 <nicksydney> wpwrak: no luck...using /dev/sdc getting Buffer I/O error on device sdc, logical block .....
2013-12-12 02:04 <wpwrak> mmh. the mess you got before kinda hinted at that. different port/cable/pc ?
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2013-12-12 03:21 <nicksydney> tried another computer and cable .. no luck still the same
2013-12-12 03:21 <nicksydney> Buffer I/O issues
2013-12-12 03:28 <wpwrak> hmm, i see an encounter with a window in your future then ...
2013-12-12 03:29 <wpwrak> after updating the firmware of the board, the problem should disappear (i hope :)
2013-12-12 03:30 <nicksydney> yeah looks like that...but now the sucky things...need a cd rom to boot windows from .. yuck
2013-12-12 03:31 <nicksydney> the cd-rom is working in one laptop but it crashes when installing windows
2013-12-12 03:31 <nicksydney> while the other old pc cd rom is not working
2013-12-12 03:42 <nicksydney> seems like you can see where you have gone thanks to Google you being tracker
2013-12-12 03:42 <nicksydney> https://maps.google.com/locationhistory/b/0
2013-12-12 03:42 <nicksydney> *tracked
2013-12-12 03:55 <wpwrak> useful if you lose something during a pub crawl that leaves with huge gaps in your memory :)
2013-12-12 04:05 <nicksydney> hahaha...good one :)
2013-12-12 04:05 <nicksydney> wpwrak: let me guess that's what you do on weekends
2013-12-12 04:05 <nicksydney> hahaha
2013-12-12 04:08 <wpwrak> sometimes ;-)
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2013-12-12 04:34 <whitequark> you need to enable it explicitly though
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2013-12-12 04:45 <nicksydney> whitequark: you mean the tracking ?
2013-12-12 04:59 <whitequark> yes
2013-12-12 05:10 <nicksydney> think if you use gmail or one of their service that could be the trigger point as most probably they check your IP to get lat and long
2013-12-12 05:16 <nicksydney> wpwrak: got my shipment from buy-display.com
2013-12-12 05:16 <nicksydney> 5inch baby !
2013-12-12 05:28 <whitequark> nicksydney: trigger point? it's an opt-in service
2013-12-12 05:28 <nicksydney> whitequark: what you mean by opt-in service ?
2013-12-12 05:28 <whitequark> nicksydney: it asks me to opt in to enable collecting history
2013-12-12 05:28 <nicksydney> whitequark: not familiar with that term sorry
2013-12-12 05:28 <whitequark> well, it's disabled by default
2013-12-12 05:29 <nicksydney> whitequark: hmmm..where about is the setting ?
2013-12-12 05:29 <whitequark> page you linked to, upper right corner, cog icon
2013-12-12 05:30 <whitequark> and when I went to "Dashboard": Google Location History is not yet enabled for your Google Account. Please enable Location History and check back in a few days to allow for enough location history to be collected.
2013-12-12 05:31 <nicksydney> oh ok i understand .. i mean it is able to track and keep history based on your location through using their services on your devices...that's why it's able to know where you were before...if i looked at mine it shows on the weekend i went somewhere and the only thing i carry was an android device that have got Google apps
2013-12-12 05:32 <nicksydney> so i assume that every check ins using their service they are tracking that
2013-12-12 05:32 <whitequark> I guess so
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2013-12-12 08:44 <apelete> Good morning
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2013-12-12 10:32 <apelete> larsc_: hi there
2013-12-12 10:35 <larsc_> hi
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2013-12-12 10:43 <apelete> larsc_: was thinking about the state of the non-upstream qi kernel patches, since musb glue layer is porgressing fine
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2013-12-12 10:45 <apelete> it still needs more testing, but fixed an issue for eth-over-usb feature yesterday night -> www.seketeli.fr/git/~apelete/qi-kernel.git/commit/?h=jz4740-musb&id=6371122ffc97a1e40e250c0daf3606d4c1772e47
2013-12-12 10:47 <apelete> if everyhting goes fine, glue layer might finally be ready for release in its current state
2013-12-12 10:47 <larsc_> that's awsome
2013-12-12 10:48 <apelete> larsc_: but it relies on some non-upstream patches in qi-kernel I think
2013-12-12 10:48 <apelete> how should we proceed to get all of this upstream ?
2013-12-12 10:50 <apelete> larsc_: finding out which patches are mandatory is a first step I guess, but it's the actual submission process I'm thinking about
2013-12-12 10:51 <larsc_> the usual way, send the patch to the maintainer :)
2013-12-12 10:52 <apelete> you mean sending the patches on behalf of the authors if needed ?
2013-12-12 10:53 <apelete> larsc_: I can take care of it if that's ok, just need to know if it is
2013-12-12 10:54 <larsc_> which patches exactly do you mean?
2013-12-12 10:55 <larsc_> -> lunch, be back later
2013-12-12 10:56 <apelete> larsc_: hmmm, not sure which, there's alot of them in the qi-kernel tree and I remember needing them to test the fix I sent upstream for musb host negatiation protocol
2013-12-12 10:57 <apelete> <larsc_> -> lunch, be back later
2013-12-12 10:57 <apelete> no problem, we'll discuss this after lunch if you have time
2013-12-12 10:57 <apelete> bon appétit ;-)
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2013-12-12 11:05 <apelete> larsc_: looking at the list of patches on jz-3.12, can't really tell which is needed in order to build & use the musb glue layer code -> http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2013-November/010406.html
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2013-12-12 11:30 <larsc_> I don't think you should actually need any of the for musb
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2013-12-12 12:06 <whitequark> very fascinating thread about Li-Ion batteries: http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/1snzg1/is_it_actually_bad_for_the_battery_of_a_laptop_to/
2013-12-12 12:06 <whitequark> see replies from SketchBoard
2013-12-12 12:08 <apelete> larsc_: ok, will try to rebase the musb glue layer code onto upstream 3.12 and see how it goes
2013-12-12 12:08 <apelete> larsc_: will keep you posted, thanks for your time :)
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2013-12-12 12:26 <nicksydney> wpwrak: another day another ironing with anelok to copper board....this time not good
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2013-12-12 12:54 <wpwrak> what kind of paper are you trying ? and where are the problems ?
2013-12-12 13:11 <nicksydney> tried different brochure and magazine paper
2013-12-12 13:12 <nicksydney> haven't bought the new photo paper
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2013-12-12 13:12 <wpwrak> i'd stick with photo paper. magazine paper seems to be a high risk for disintegration. and getting that paper off the board is a pain.
2013-12-12 13:13 <wpwrak> better find out how to make some nice solid glossy printer paper work
2013-12-12 13:15 <nicksydney> came across this http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Sheets-A4-Size-Transparent-Film-Paper-for-PCB-Prototype-Making-/161121631309?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item258398fc4d which logically should work
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2013-12-12 13:32 <wpwrak> well, if it makes you feel better when it says on the box that it's for toner transfer ;)
2013-12-12 13:32 <wpwrak> ah wait. is it ...?
2013-12-12 13:33 <wpwrak> ah no, that's for the photochemical process again
2013-12-12 13:33 <wpwrak> well, you have to choose. if you keep on hopping between the two you'll never get anywhere
2013-12-12 13:35 <nicksydney> :)
2013-12-12 13:36 <nicksydney> will try again on the weekend with different paper hope have better luck
2013-12-12 13:37 <wpwrak> perfect :) if you only vary a small number of parameters, it's easier to debug your process. there are typical categories of problems that can sometimes be solved with process variations.
2013-12-12 13:38 <wpwrak> something else you can try is to make more than one test board at once. that way, you can see the effect of variations of the ironing (e.g., how long you keep the iron on the board, how hard you press, and so on)
2013-12-12 13:40 <wpwrak> with manual ironing, i had a fair amount of variation. sometimes a board was perfect and the next one all wrong. takes some patience.
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2013-12-12 13:49 <nicksydney_> the other idea that i was suggested by my wife was to heat up a teflon and use the heated part on the board as the heat are consistent when
2013-12-12 13:49 <nicksydney_> press the teflon heated part to the board :)
2013-12-12 13:57 <wpwrak> hmmm. not sure if this wouldn't get a) too hot, and b) you'd have trouble applying enough pressure.
2013-12-12 13:58 <wpwrak> but you can try it and see what happens :) maybe cut a number of small boards, maybe the size of atusb, and transfer that design. then you can try a lot of process variations in parallel. the difficulty of atusb is about the same as of anelok.
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2013-12-12 19:38 <pcercuei> larsc_, from that list, what are the best places to live? http://pastebin.com/p9JKx6Ej
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2013-12-12 19:48 <larsc_> hm, maybe schwabing or bogenhausen, but it really depends on what you are looking for
2013-12-12 19:49 <pcercuei> a WG
2013-12-12 19:50 <larsc_> yea
2013-12-12 19:51 <larsc_> I live in Milbertshofen, which is quite close to the office
2013-12-12 19:51 <larsc_> schwabing is also quite close
2013-12-12 19:52 <pcercuei> I'd rather be close to the center
2013-12-12 19:52 <larsc_> schwabing is close to the center and close to the office
2013-12-12 19:52 <larsc_> kind of in between
2013-12-12 19:53 <larsc_> maxvorstadt is a bit closer to the center
2013-12-12 19:53 <pcercuei> any good website to find WGs?
2013-12-12 19:54 <larsc_> I only know wg-gesucht.de
2013-12-12 19:54 <larsc_> half of the places in your list I've never heard before, which means they are probably more outside
2013-12-12 19:55 <pcercuei> I was looking on http://www.easywg.de
2013-12-12 19:56 <pcercuei> at least yours has an English version :p
2013-12-12 20:04 <pcercuei> what the
2013-12-12 20:04 <pcercuei> 1000€ of deposit
2013-12-12 20:04 <larsc_> yea, it's crazy
2013-12-12 20:04 <larsc_> btw. do you want to go to fosdem?
2013-12-12 20:04 <pcercuei> that's like 1000 times the money I have left
2013-12-12 20:06 <pcercuei> I don't feel 100% comfortable with presenting something there
2013-12-12 20:06 <pcercuei> but I can, if you want me to
2013-12-12 20:06 <larsc_> it's to late to present anyway
2013-12-12 20:07 <pcercuei> ah
2013-12-12 20:07 <larsc_> deadlines are already over
2013-12-12 20:07 <pcercuei> so you mean go there to attend comferences?
2013-12-12 20:07 <larsc_> yes
2013-12-12 20:07 <pcercuei> sure then
2013-12-12 20:07 <larsc_> it's on the 1&2 of februrary
2013-12-12 20:07 <larsc_> not sure how this fits with your plans for moving
2013-12-12 20:11 <larsc_> but if you have time and want to go I'll try to get some funding for it
2013-12-12 20:16 <pcercuei> honestly I can go only if I don't have to pay for it, I'm too short of money right now
2013-12-12 20:17 <larsc_> that's why I'm asking so I can try to get funding for you
2013-12-12 20:22 <pcercuei> the prices are depressing
2013-12-12 20:22 <pcercuei> in Chile I was living in the capital for 150€/month
2013-12-12 20:23 <pcercuei> even in France the prices are not that high
2013-12-12 20:33 <wpwrak> pcercuei: you should visit london. then you won't complain about prices anywhere else. well, maybe in the emirates :)
2013-12-12 20:44 <larsc_> yea, I was quite supprised, those prices seem pretty high for a WG
2013-12-12 20:55 <pcercuei> http://www.wg-gesucht.de/en/wg-zimmer-in-Muenchen-Maxvorstadt.1048114.html
2013-12-12 20:55 <pcercuei> that one is cheap
2013-12-12 21:03 <larsc_> "students only"
2013-12-12 21:04 <pcercuei> I'm a student :p
2013-12-12 21:04 <larsc_> right
2013-12-12 21:08 <larsc_> oh and its a bruschenschaft...
2013-12-12 21:08 <larsc_> fraternity
2013-12-12 21:08 <larsc_> except that they are very conservative
2013-12-12 21:09 <larsc_> you wouldn't be allowed to bring a girl home or something
2013-12-12 21:10 <lekernel> because that would make the other frat boys jealous?
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2013-12-12 21:11 <larsc_> probably
2013-12-12 21:11 <apelete> larsc_: internet-over-usb working on the NanoNote with musb driver -> http://paste.debian.net/70587/
2013-12-12 21:11 <larsc_> yeay!
2013-12-12 21:11 <larsc_> very nice
2013-12-12 21:12 <larsc_> pretty awsome actually
2013-12-12 21:12 <apelete> larsc_: yeah, thanks. took me a while but it's finally ready :)
2013-12-12 21:13 <apelete> let's clean up some code and prepare some patches now
2013-12-12 21:14 <pcercuei> ah, crap
2013-12-12 21:14 <pcercuei> that's why it's so cheap :o
2013-12-12 21:14 <pcercuei> apelete: good job!
2013-12-12 21:17 <larsc_> yea, otherwise nobody would want to move in with them
2013-12-12 21:18 <apelete> larsc_: are you living in Munich ?
2013-12-12 21:19 <larsc_> yes
2013-12-12 21:19 <apelete> larsc_: didn't know that, I was visiting some friends there a few ago, at the end of november :)
2013-12-12 21:20 <apelete> s/a few/a few weeks/
2013-12-12 21:20 <qi-bot> apelete meant: "larsc_: didn't know that, I was visiting some friends there a few weeks ago, at the end of november :)"
2013-12-12 21:22 <wpwrak> in those US movies about college life, aren't the fraternities the places with all the excessive parties and orgies ?
2013-12-12 21:22 <larsc_> apelete: ah, too bad :/
2013-12-12 21:22 <larsc_> wpwrak: but you know what a burschenschaft is right?
2013-12-12 21:24 <apelete> larsc_: yeah, let's hope we meet at fosdem anyway
2013-12-12 21:25 <wpwrak> larsc_: only vaguely. what little i heard of them sounded sufficiently suspicious to me to douse any further curiosity
2013-12-12 21:26 <apelete> pcercuei: prices in Munich seem a lot cheaper than in Toulouse to me, except for renting an apartment
2013-12-12 21:26 <pcercuei> oh, you're in Toulouse?
2013-12-12 21:26 <larsc_> wpwrak: yea, definitly not the crowed you'd want to hang out with
2013-12-12 21:26 <larsc_> crowd
2013-12-12 21:27 <apelete> pcercuei: yeah, where do you live right now ?
2013-12-12 21:27 <pcercuei> near Cherbourg, Normandy
2013-12-12 21:27 <pcercuei> fun story, I had the choice to go in Munich or Toulouse
2013-12-12 21:27 <pcercuei> I eventually chose Munich
2013-12-12 21:29 <wpwrak> toulouse needs to invest more into beer advertizing
2013-12-12 21:29 <apelete> pcercuei: fun indeed. what are going there for if I may ask ?
2013-12-12 21:29 <apelete> wpwrak: :D
2013-12-12 21:29 <pcercuei> for an internship
2013-12-12 21:29 <apelete> oh, great
2013-12-12 21:29 <pcercuei> wpwrak: advertize which beer? There's no good beer in France
2013-12-12 21:30 <apelete> pcercuei: what company did you chose between then ?
2013-12-12 21:30 <pcercuei> Analog Devices Inc. in Munich, where larsc_ works
2013-12-12 21:31 <pcercuei> versus Free Electrons in Toulouse
2013-12-12 21:32 <apelete> both great choices, I know the guys at Free Electrons, a happy bunch
2013-12-12 21:32 <pcercuei> yep
2013-12-12 21:33 <apelete> Munich is probably a good choice since you're still a student. different culture, opportunity to travel abroad and working on interesting things of course ;)
2013-12-12 21:34 <pcercuei> only problem, I don't speek german
2013-12-12 21:35 <apelete> yeah well, I know someone who lives there and learned only after coming there
2013-12-12 21:35 <apelete> pcercuei: you'll work it out probably, don't worry :)
2013-12-12 21:36 <pcercuei> yeah, I don't worry about it
2013-12-12 21:38 <apelete> in the end I was very impressed with the city overall, it was my first time in Munich and I enjoyed it. will probably go back when I get the chance :)
2013-12-12 21:38 <pcercuei> sure, come and say hi
2013-12-12 21:38 <pcercuei> we'll take a beer
2013-12-12 21:39 <apelete> pcercuei: let's hope you can come too fosdem with larsc_, that would be really great
2013-12-12 21:39 <apelete> s/too/to
2013-12-12 21:39 <qi-bot> apelete meant: "pcercuei: let's hope you can come to fosdem with larsc_, that would be really great"
2013-12-12 21:40 <pcercuei> yep
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