2013-12-09 00:14 <wpwrak> phase I: a hot day with menacing clouds. phase II: the storm (just a few gusts for now). phase III: the rain (just one or two drops so far_. phase IV is where it gets interesting ...
2013-12-09 00:17 <nicksydney> wpwrak: tried printing a box inside xfig original measurement from the screen is 12cm something...it printed out 6cm something
2013-12-09 00:17 <nicksydney> so it's printing 1/2 of what is in the screen..:(
2013-12-09 00:17 <wpwrak> time to take a good hard look at the printer driver
2013-12-09 00:18 <wpwrak> maybe it thinks it's being told to print A4 on A5 paper or something
2013-12-09 00:19 <nicksydney> let me see printer setting
2013-12-09 00:23 <whitequark> try evince for printing pdf/ps
2013-12-09 00:24 <whitequark> it produced the best results for me
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2013-12-09 02:01 <nicksydney> wohoooo.....
2013-12-09 02:01 <nicksydney> able to find the setting..it print 10cm now :)
2013-12-09 02:01 <nicksydney> now back to printing anelok
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2013-12-09 02:16 <nicksydney> wpwrak: i like what i see...http://ctrlv.in/268054 and http://ctrlv.in/268056
2013-12-09 02:16 <nicksydney> wpwrak: what you think ?
2013-12-09 02:20 <wpwrak> that looks quite good :)
2013-12-09 02:21 <wpwrak> next: make it happen with copper :)
2013-12-09 02:26 <nicksydney> first need to find the proper paper..the current one that i have is not working as i want it to be :(
2013-12-09 02:26 <nicksydney> seems like finding the proper paper is the headache now
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2013-12-09 03:15 <whitequark> nicksydney: just buy the photo paper?
2013-12-09 03:16 <whitequark> I've had something like this: http://h30094.www3.hp.com/product/sku/3544557/mfg_partno/Q8723A
2013-12-09 03:16 <whitequark> (probably not this particular SKU, but close)
2013-12-09 03:21 <nicksydney> whitequark: seems like that same photo paper is quite successfull here also http://australianrobotics.com.au/news/pc-to-pcb-in-under-30-minutes-quick-n-easy-pcb-fabrication ...might go out and buy
2013-12-09 03:21 <nicksydney> whitequark: is this the same as yours ... http://www.officeworks.com.au/retail/products/Office-Supplies/Paper/Photo-Paper/Gloss-Photo-Paper/INHPD5441A ?
2013-12-09 03:23 <whitequark> nicksydney: I really don't know, I suggest you try and use several of your local brands of photo paper
2013-12-09 03:24 <whitequark> even if it would be named the same, who knows whether HP actually delivers identical paper to RU and AU
2013-12-09 03:51 <wpwrak> whitequark: "in russia, even paper is fake ?"
2013-12-09 03:53 <wpwrak> nicksydney: ah, and when the time comes to remove the toner: you can use acetone but paint thinner/remover will do as well, is easy to get (acetone is often restricted), and likely safer than acetone
2013-12-09 03:55 <wpwrak> IF you get acetone, make sure it never gets near the peroxide. that is, unless you're interested in making effective but highly unstable bombs :)
2013-12-09 03:59 <whitequark> wpwrak: that's not what I meant, though I won't be surprised either
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2013-12-09 05:31 <wpwrak> now .. why the hell does anelok idle at 49 mA ... ?
2013-12-09 05:35 <wpwrak> after reset, endless loop, 7.9 mA. okay. that's reasonable.
2013-12-09 05:35 <wpwrak> then i initialize all the gpios. power should go DOWN ...
2013-12-09 05:58 <wpwrak> hmm. before display_init, 4.0 mA. after 49 mA. that's a dark screen. making those black photons must be very difficult.
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2013-12-09 06:36 <wpwrak> hmm. nCS was shorted to ground. apparently by magic.
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2013-12-09 07:48 <larsc> dark magic
2013-12-09 08:06 <wpwrak> hmm, running from battery doesn't look good
2013-12-09 08:06 <wpwrak> even at only 20 mA (display + MCU, no RF, no MMC), the CR2032 collapses quickly
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2013-12-09 11:09 <nicksydney> wpwrak: have ever seen this kind of toner transfer paper http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-A4-Sheets-Heat-Toner-Transfer-Paper-For-DIY-PCB-Electronic-Prototype-Mak-/400505239086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5d3ff8f62e ?
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2013-12-09 11:59 <wpwrak> i've heard of "specialized" papers, yes. some people say they're great, some people say they're useless, some people have an opinion in between. so pick one ;-)
2013-12-09 12:13 <nicksydney> hahaha
2013-12-09 12:13 <nicksydney> very hard to believe :
2013-12-09 12:13 <nicksydney> :)
2013-12-09 12:13 <nicksydney> i read in a number of blogs and most of them says that glossy magazine paper works
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2013-12-09 12:53 <wpwrak> it may have a high risk of the paper disintegrating. also, if it has something printed on it, it'll be harder to see if toner stayed on the paper
2013-12-09 12:53 <wpwrak> see here: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/paper/
2013-12-09 12:55 <wpwrak> 3rd row: after the transfer, you can check that it's all white (except, if you CNC-drill before the transfer, for holes)
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2013-12-09 13:04 <nicksydney> wpwrak: true
2013-12-09 13:04 <nicksydney> wpwrak: looks like it's trial and error for me....will buy the paper from officeworks.com.au tomorrow and try with that
2013-12-09 13:05 <nicksydney> wpwrak: as for PCB i've put an order through ebay to buy 10piece for $10...the one i bought locally double sided 1 piece for $10
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2013-12-09 15:29 <rjeffries> wpwrak remind me what the URL is for anelok wiki, please.
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2013-12-09 15:45 <wpwrak> https://gitorious.org/anelok/pages/Home
2013-12-09 15:50 <rjeffries> thanks
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2013-12-09 15:56 <rjeffries> wpwrak what are your thoughts re battery life? is it something you can solve with more sophiticated software, or more fundamental hardware issues to solve?
2013-12-09 16:16 <wpwrak> dunno yet. but if already 20 mA are problem, that's bad.may need a different battery :(
2013-12-09 16:21 <rjeffries> coin cell battery is cute but such low capacity. you could redesign with 2xAAA with tradeoff that the case is thicker. BFD
2013-12-09 16:23 <wpwrak> if AAA, then 1 x AAA. 2 x AAA is so 2000.
2013-12-09 16:23 <wpwrak> anyway, afk for a bit
2013-12-09 16:26 <rjeffries> LOL
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2013-12-09 17:13 <rjeffries> nicksydney I'm following your efforts to make an anelok PCB with interest.
2013-12-09 17:54 <rjeffries> wpwrak (when you return) I thought Cortex M0+ have VERY low power consumption. or does the problem lie elsewhere in the circuit. Maybe with 1xAAA you can get 12 month battery life? "Replace batteries at Christmas" would be something one might remember to do.
2013-12-09 18:03 <roh> i dont like batteries. use a small li-something pack and recharge on usb
2013-12-09 18:05 <lekernel> hi roh
2013-12-09 18:05 <roh> hi lekernel
2013-12-09 18:09 <lekernel> roh, could you hook me up with the vacuum guy? (forgot his name...) he was supposed to email me, but did not
2013-12-09 18:11 <roh> i see... i'll mail him and you
2013-12-09 18:15 <lekernel> thx
2013-12-09 18:23 <rjeffries> roh wpwrak doesn't like li- because they self-discharge much faster than other battery chemistry.
2013-12-09 18:27 <rjeffries> if wpwrak were to change his mind, a commodity small cellphone battery is very cost effective. 3rd party battery for Kyocera JAX phone are cheap and small 3.7 V 700 mAh
2013-12-09 18:28 <rjeffries> my opinion is anelok need not be as tiny as the current design is.
2013-12-09 18:33 <roh> rjeffries: if one uses it as much as i think needs to be done to make sense of having one, self-discharge shouldnt be an issue.
2013-12-09 18:33 <roh> just have a few hundred mAh.. 200 should be plenty
2013-12-09 18:33 <roh> recharge in 10-30 minutes on usb
2013-12-09 18:33 <roh> same socket you plug it for 'playing out' a passphrase
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2013-12-09 21:37 <nicksydney> morning all
2013-12-09 21:37 <nicksydney> wpwrak: what's new ?
2013-12-09 21:37 <nicksydney> rjeffries: cool..the more the merrier and we can exhchange ideas
2013-12-09 21:38 <nicksydney> wpwrak: collected quite a number of different magazines yesterday and now just have to wait on PCB :(
2013-12-09 21:39 <nicksydney> wpwrak: have you ever "reused" copper board that has been toner transferred ? would that be effective ? I was thinking of reusing the one that I have used with the toner transfer and clean it with acetone perhaps ?
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2013-12-09 23:47 <whitequark> nicksydney: yes, acetone works
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