2013-12-02 00:16 rz2k has quit [] 2013-12-02 00:19 panda|w530 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-12-02 00:36 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-12-02 00:38 ever wondered what happened to wikireader? ;-) 2013-12-02 00:38 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 00:46 what did hapen to wikireader? 2013-12-02 00:49 who is going to 30c3? 2013-12-02 00:55 Ornotermes has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 01:02 DocScrutinizer05: should i fear karmic damage if i answer this in the negative ? :) 2013-12-02 01:03 prolly not, though it could give you a laugh when you bother to find out 2013-12-02 01:03 just tell us what you found :) 2013-12-02 01:04 well, last I heard been Medion selling then at Conrad 2013-12-02 01:04 them* 2013-12-02 01:04 even seen* 2013-12-02 01:04 wow. they're still alive ? impressive 2013-12-02 01:04 been quite a while ago 2013-12-02 01:05 Medion is known for cheap crappy hardware 2013-12-02 01:05 a disgrace 2013-12-02 01:06 wasn't that pearl ? 2013-12-02 01:06 those too 2013-12-02 01:07 http://www.medion.com/de/searchProduct?searchTerm=wikireader gone 2013-12-02 01:08 http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/876441/ 2013-12-02 01:10 sold out 2013-12-02 01:10 I should've gotten one while they were still available, for hysterical raisins 2013-12-02 01:15 pulster has them 2013-12-02 01:15 http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/help-distribute-wikireaders-and-provide-an-opportunity-for-kids-to-learn - this was last I heard about it 2013-12-02 01:16 pulster, the horn of plenty 2013-12-02 01:16 "We want to raise money to buy as many WikiReaders as we can that are currently in overstock from its manufacturer." 2013-12-02 01:17 "We have an agreement with the manufacturer to buy the overstock devices (...) as the company is liquidating its assets. " 2013-12-02 01:17 ouch. 3k/232k. "Education – San Francisco". apparently not :) 2013-12-02 01:18 "We launched Sept 1st a 3-month pilot with 500 devices in three schools in India, South Africa and Mexico. We received grant funds to supplement the Indiegogo funds and additional funds from the Wikimedia Foundation." 2013-12-02 01:18 update from 17 days ago 2013-12-02 01:18 "The manufacturer is offering them to us for $15 USD a piece." 2013-12-02 01:19 (extra funds) good. 2013-12-02 01:19 wikireader was a kinda/sorta interesting concept. Used an Epson MCU if memory serves. And a FORTH based OS? 2013-12-02 01:20 it's 49 EUR on pulster :D 2013-12-02 01:29 [commit] Werner Almesberger: ircstat/ML: update for 11/2013 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/51106cf 2013-12-02 01:38 well, the CPU might be the same we initially picked 2013-12-02 01:38 the ID changed a lot, away from clamshell with "proper" hw kbd to that awful c-ts only thing 2013-12-02 01:39 and I doubt they kept the USB footprint I designed in for hw-hackers 2013-12-02 01:41 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-12-02 01:41 o/ 2013-12-02 01:53 Mistah_Darcy has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 01:54 FDCX has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-12-02 01:55 Mistah_Darcy_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-12-02 01:58 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 02:04 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2013-12-02 02:07 DocScrutinizer05 have you and your team looked at what Jolla is doing, one assumes? They have some cool ideas. 2013-12-02 02:09 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 02:10 oh, they do? 2013-12-02 02:11 which ones? 2013-12-02 02:11 BustZone tivoized bootloader? 2013-12-02 02:13 honestly I haven't seen any cool idea they didn't copy from OM or N900 or GTA04, so far. Which idea do you refer to in particular? 2013-12-02 02:14 alas I don't have any detailed technical info about the device either, and my device still is waiting shipment 2013-12-02 02:15 so I don't even know how they implemented their flavor of I2C based expansion connector 2013-12-02 02:15 (tbh ours isn't finalized either ;-D) 2013-12-02 02:16 rjeffries: ^^^ 2013-12-02 02:35 ah, those backs. they need a bit of explaining in the case of jolla - from what appears i the press, one may think they act as "keys" to unlock functions the device already has. 2013-12-02 02:53 artcrime has quit [] 2013-12-02 02:56 yeah, pretty silly 2013-12-02 02:57 they actually might act as "keys" (actaully certs) to download themes or whatever 2013-12-02 02:57 but I dunno if they do or not 2013-12-02 02:59 the idea itself is disgusting, particularly since this would imply that you can't do your own skins/themes 2013-12-02 03:02 for all I know TOH simply has an I2C and power connector to the device 2013-12-02 03:13 as far as i understand what they're doing, these backs actually have real functionality. it's just that one can easily think they don't. 2013-12-02 03:18 My reading is that the innovative bit is teh I2C and power connector. The NFC thing for themes is a yawner (to me) 2013-12-02 03:18 wpwrak: yes, they have something that is connected to the mainboard via I2C 2013-12-02 03:19 I appreciate the idea of a handset where third parties can add a hardwar eback with extra functionality 2013-12-02 03:19 well, then you will love Neo900 2013-12-02 03:19 a power connection is also cool. think extra backs with extra battery capacity e.g. 2013-12-02 03:19 ah yes, two-way battery 2013-12-02 03:19 we had that before jolla even disclosed "details" about their TOH thing 2013-12-02 03:20 they were probably busy patenting it :) 2013-12-02 03:20 I hope Neo900 does well. 2013-12-02 03:20 ?? TOH ?? 2013-12-02 03:20 the other half -- got it 2013-12-02 03:20 the difference: we also try to offer USB concurrent to I2C 2013-12-02 03:21 (hope) so do we all ;-) 2013-12-02 03:21 Jolla and Neo900 need not represent a zero sum game 2013-12-02 03:24 wpwrak: (patenting) too late, GTA04 represents prior art 2013-12-02 03:28 DocScrutinizer05 on Neo900 do you support USB UTG maybe? 2013-12-02 03:28 s/UTG/OTG/ 2013-12-02 03:28 rjeffries meant: "DocScrutinizer05 on Neo900 do you support USB OTG maybe?" 2013-12-02 03:38 OTG maybe, definitely proper USB-host though 2013-12-02 03:38 OTG prolly comes for free 2013-12-02 03:52 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 03:52 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-12-02 04:43 wpwrak: git pull the new changes and tried building the anelok/case getting errror 2013-12-02 04:43 wpwrak: http://pastebin.com/fBbMJe5r 2013-12-02 04:52 panda|w530 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 04:59 panda|w530 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-12-02 05:04 hmm, maybe something's wrong with your pos.inc 2013-12-02 05:05 cd anelok/cad; rm pos.inc; make pos.inc 2013-12-02 05:05 afterwards, there should be a line in it (among many others) that says #define SW1_X 67.5000mm 2013-12-02 05:11 the only pos.inc i can find is inside ybox/case 2013-12-02 05:14 executing make inside /cad give error -->make: *** No rule to make target `../hw/anelok-all.pos', needed by `pos.inc'. Stop. 2013-12-02 05:17 ah, that's the root of the problem then. you need to generate anelok-all.pos manually (just like you did for the y-box) 2013-12-02 05:18 that's one of the dependencies that really really wants those command-line options back ... 2013-12-02 05:24 DocScrutinizer05 is now known as skynet 2013-12-02 05:24 skynet is now known as DocAvalanche 2013-12-02 05:24 DocAvalanche is now known as DocScrutinizer05 2013-12-02 05:32 porchao has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-12-02 05:33 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 05:40 ok seems like it's doing something after doing the manual steps of File > Fabrication Outputs > Modules Position 2013-12-02 05:42 wpwrak: does this look right .. http://pastebin.com/P0dXZPxt ? 2013-12-02 05:44 wpwrak: running 'make view' and ^D give this --> http://snag.gy/VzUNz.jpg 2013-12-02 05:45 wpwrak: will be interesting to change the rotary encoder to something touch slider :) 2013-12-02 07:15 Ornotermes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-12-02 07:16 Ornotermes has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 07:21 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 07:28 Ornotermes has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-12-02 07:28 Ornotermes has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 07:34 Ornotermes has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-12-02 07:45 Ornotermes has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 08:12 yes, both the toolpath generation and the STL look good 2013-12-02 08:13 (touch slider) you mean something iPod-classic-ish ? 2013-12-02 08:31 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-12-02 08:46 michael_lee has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2013-12-02 08:50 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 09:13 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 09:21 panda|w530 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 09:26 hah, already three today 2013-12-02 09:27 6 more to go 2013-12-02 09:27 or 806 more 2013-12-02 09:28 this preudo-preorder concept works amazingly well, particularly for the little effort it took to come up with the idea 2013-12-02 09:29 pseudo even 2013-12-02 09:41 indeed, it works amazingly well 2013-12-02 09:51 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 09:57 5, 4 more 2013-12-02 10:01 wow. if you go on like this you'll hit 1000 shortly after new year :) 2013-12-02 10:02 that would be fine 2013-12-02 10:02 panda|w530 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-12-02 10:25 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-12-02 10:27 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 10:47 197 ;-) 2013-12-02 11:00 Mistah_Darcy_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 11:02 Mistah_Darcy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-12-02 11:09 btw seems like the rate was sufficient to hit 1000 a few days before xmas 2013-12-02 11:09 of course you also could extrapolate the trend ;-P 2013-12-02 11:10 and make a fortune at stock exchange when you found the correct algo 2013-12-02 11:15 panda|w530 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 12:07 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 12:12 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 12:20 valhalla_ is now known as valhalla 2013-12-02 12:23 DocScrutinizer05: 2 to go 2013-12-02 12:24 better make room in that barn to stock components :) 2013-12-02 12:52 wpwrak: when i do 'make gen' now it comes with this error --> http://snag.gy/nwC5L.jpg 2013-12-02 12:53 wpwrak: (re: slider)...was thinking what if using touch slider where user can slide their finger on a surface rather than using their finger to roll 2013-12-02 12:55 (make gen) hmm, seems that you tried that somewhere where there's no corresponding .pro file. in which directory are you ? also, i don't think there are any cases where "make gen" would actually do something useful at the moment. (and it may expect these command-line options, which don't exist now) 2013-12-02 12:57 panda|w530 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2013-12-02 12:57 (slider) so moving the a more square form factor ? hmm yes, possible. ideally, you'd squeeze this on top of the bottom part of the OLED. that would be very compact. but then you'd have the field interact with the OLED. 2013-12-02 12:58 panda|w530 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 13:03 panda|w530 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-12-02 13:10 doing it from the /hw folder 2013-12-02 13:12 (hw) okay, then you run into the command-line options issue. in any case, it wouldn't do anything useful. not sure if i ever developed that "gen" target in any project. maybe it's just a stub all over the place :) 2013-12-02 13:12 slider: the use case i was thinking of was like...the user slider the finger to move the "cursor" like in your UI to point to alphabets ....and to hit "enter" / "confirm" can either a small button or take hands off the slider for example say 0.5sec 2013-12-02 13:12 DocScrutinizer05: 200-1 2013-12-02 13:12 wpwrak: (hw) ok no worries thought it will do something..just testing :) 2013-12-02 13:13 DocScrutinizer05: i wonder what happened. did the talk hit some popular site ? 2013-12-02 13:13 wpwrak: make brd and sch works fine in /hw so no drama there 2013-12-02 13:14 nicksydney: these are the important ones :) most of the rest tries to generate files that would require these command-line options. if you generate the files manually, they'll pick up things from there. 2013-12-02 13:14 nicksydney: so the typical use is: make -n see what you have to do, do it manually, then make to complete the operation 2013-12-02 13:14 but yes, very messy :( 2013-12-02 13:15 wpwrak: I don't see anything interesting in analytics 2013-12-02 13:15 pretty standard traffic 2013-12-02 13:15 I guess maybe people registered in newsletter (almost 600) are jumping in :) 2013-12-02 13:15 dos1: maybe just a fortuitous statistics fluctuation 2013-12-02 13:15 wpwrak: or what about ipod wheel like ? 2013-12-02 13:16 wpwrak: or maybe use accelerometer as left, right, top and bottom movement :) 2013-12-02 13:16 nicksydney: dunno if they feel right. what i like about the mechanical wheel is that you get tactile feedback. 2013-12-02 13:16 (accel) urgh :) 2013-12-02 13:17 wpwrak: or perhaps slide and use the sides to tap as 'enter'/'confirm' key 2013-12-02 13:17 wpwrak: so use case....user use slider to select and tap the side to enter /confirm 2013-12-02 13:18 wpwrak: sorry just throwing crazy ideas here to see if any sticks :) 2013-12-02 13:18 i find the slider idea interesting, though. it would give that area under the display something to do. and it would make the device smaller and cheaper. (i think that wheel is the priciest component of all) 2013-12-02 13:19 yes, kinda like a one-dimensional touch pad 2013-12-02 13:20 wpwrak: i was holding a RSA token the other day and was thinking what IF anelok also have a solar panel to make the battery last long ? it recharge the battery by itself ? 2013-12-02 13:22 not sure if a solar panel would have that sort of power output. it would have to work indoors, too. so you don't get that much light. 2013-12-02 13:23 also, i try to stay away from rechargeable batteries because of their built-in obsolescence 2013-12-02 13:23 wpwrak: does indor lighting helped or it is too low ? 2013-12-02 13:23 ahhh ok 2013-12-02 13:24 so for devices such as those RSA token what kind of battery do they use ? as the device itself is very small 2013-12-02 13:24 does that RSA thing have a solar panel ? 2013-12-02 13:25 oh sorry....it was not RSA token it was some kind of token key i was holding 2013-12-02 13:26 can't remember now what was it...thought it was RSA 2013-12-02 13:28 and it has a solar panel ? the ones i know are just "replace when the battery dies" (after years) 2013-12-02 13:29 the other thing i was thinking whether there will be any useful use cases to use your mobile with the device 2013-12-02 13:30 that's the link i hope BTLT can provide 2013-12-02 13:30 BTLE even 2013-12-02 13:30 YES ! .. BLTE :) 2013-12-02 13:30 Android baby :0 2013-12-02 13:30 :_) 2013-12-02 13:31 maybe we can use the mobile device to 'activate' as master key ? 2013-12-02 13:31 if the mobile can connect to the device that is considered as 'login' to the device and can use the device 2013-12-02 13:32 and the app can 'extract' information from the device 2013-12-02 13:32 i can help you to write the app :) 2013-12-02 13:33 which one would be the key for what ? anelok for the android phone/tablet/dromedary, or vice versa ? 2013-12-02 13:34 both ways 2013-12-02 13:34 but initially i was thinking one way first...from the phone to unlock the device 2013-12-02 13:35 mmh, that would be the less secure device acting as key to the more secure one 2013-12-02 13:36 so you are thinking the other way around ? 2013-12-02 13:39 it would make more sense. of course, ideally, you'd just move the sensitive stuff into anelok and have an encrypted path through your droid. that way, if your droid is compromised, it still can't do any damage. (well, beyond making calls to timbuktu, sending premium SMS, and that sort of fun) 2013-12-02 13:40 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 13:44 make sense....what about cases where user can potentially use the device by using BLTE to use any bluetooth enabled devices (either to turn on/off) ... say theoretically if a use has a bluetooth enabled speaker and they want to turn it on ..they can use it by connecting the device ot it 2013-12-02 13:44 i guess what i was thinking is the device can be used as a master 'key' to enable/disable certain hardware that the user has ? 2013-12-02 13:50 like a BTLE remote control ? well, yes, you could do that. things to consider: 1) if you use it a LOT, you'll go through batteries quickly. i expect a CR2032 to last for about two months. if you use it to control your tv, air conditioning, etc., too, then you may only get a few weeks 2013-12-02 13:51 2) the more stuff you load into the, the more likely it is that some will open a security hole 2013-12-02 13:52 that's also why your droid should be considered less secure: it just runs too much stuff 2013-12-02 13:55 wpwrak: didn't think about the battery 2013-12-02 14:05 200 :) 2013-12-02 14:18 dos1: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/cheers.jpg 2013-12-02 14:19 (you moved to 200 so fast, i barely had enough time to cool down the glass :) 2013-12-02 14:19 hehe yeah :) 2013-12-02 14:19 cheers! :D 2013-12-02 15:04 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-12-02 15:24 cheers! :) 2013-12-02 15:29 dos1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-12-02 15:29 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 15:57 fyi I am experimenting with IRCCloud 9beta) it is a persistent IRC connection in a browser. (I use Chrome) sorta kinda cool. 2013-12-02 16:08 rjeffries: another mitm service? 2013-12-02 16:17 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-12-02 16:18 michael_lee has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2013-12-02 16:18 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 16:26 viric yeah prolly run by a certain USA agency that specializes in gathering data. lol 2013-12-02 16:31 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-12-02 16:32 irc is public anyway 2013-12-02 16:33 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 17:05 http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=submission&id=3160237 2013-12-02 17:07 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 17:08 perfect :) 2013-12-02 17:09 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 17:09 So if Neo900 does get 1,000 preorders (seems plausible) what will the unit price be? 2013-12-02 17:10 (/.) it's not approved yet, though 2013-12-02 17:10 to get to 1000 preorders i think it needs more advertisment 2013-12-02 17:11 looking at the pace of the preorders right now 2013-12-02 17:11 wpwrak: yeah, upvote! :) 2013-12-02 17:12 ah, /. ing it is a good idea :) 2013-12-02 17:12 rjeffries: it's hard to tell right now, but I guess it may be 100-200 EUR less 2013-12-02 17:13 ysionneau: that should grow the audience by some 5-6 orders of magnitude :) 2013-12-02 17:13 lets hope each preorder will convert into order 2013-12-02 17:14 we were already slashdoted at the beginning of fundraiser 2013-12-02 17:14 greatest spike in traffic was from hacker news though 2013-12-02 17:15 no lack with HN with recent submissions however, just few upvotes until it goes into oblivion 2013-12-02 17:16 I guess there's some luck needed to post it at right moment, so right people will start upvoting and then it goes forward 2013-12-02 17:18 green on slashdot - that means there is some interest :) 2013-12-02 17:20 Neo900 is a fascinating experiment testing appeal of FOSS/open [at a price premium] vs. features. May the Force be with them! 2013-12-02 17:20 (upvoting) well, that too. but what i meant was an approving comment. i.e., one explaining why it sucks, why those doing it are idiots and crooks, and why it will with absolute certainty fail. all that sprinkled with some more insults. only then it's official :) 2013-12-02 17:22 wpwrak are you suggesting a strategy where a clever troll of Slashdot might (significantly!) help Neo900. 2013-12-02 17:22 What an evil perosn you are, wpwrak. I like it. 2013-12-02 17:22 s/perosn/person/ 2013-12-02 17:22 rjeffries meant: "What an evil person you are, wpwrak. I like it." 2013-12-02 17:23 * wpwrak pets his white cat 2013-12-02 17:24 that sort: http://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/villains/blofeld1.php3 2013-12-02 17:31 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-12-02 17:36 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 17:54 wohoo, 202 2013-12-02 17:54 DocScrutinizer05: congrats! 2013-12-02 18:01 yep, congrats :) 2013-12-02 18:03 panda|w530 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 18:08 lekernel: http://hongwrong.com/hong-kong-bitcoin/ "mining facility" 2013-12-02 18:10 panda|w530 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-12-02 18:13 valhalla has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-12-02 18:19 that timeouts :( 2013-12-02 18:20 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 18:21 oh, works 2013-12-02 18:28 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-12-02 19:19 Russia is invading :) 2013-12-02 19:19 almost 40% of pageviews on neo900.org from today is from them 2013-12-02 19:19 http://habrahabr.ru/post/204422/ 2013-12-02 19:47 http://slashdot.org/submission/3160237/neo900-hacker-phone-reaches-minimum-number-of-pre-orders-for-production 2013-12-02 19:52 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 20:10 kanzure has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2013-12-02 20:10 kanzure has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 20:48 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 20:56 kilae has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 2013-12-02 21:16 Luke-Jr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-12-02 21:20 mirko has quit [*.net *.split] 2013-12-02 21:20 dos1: ah, plenty of /. love in the comments :) 2013-12-02 21:22 mirko has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 21:26 mirko has quit [*.net *.split] 2013-12-02 21:30 mirko has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 21:33 rz2k has quit [] 2013-12-02 21:36 wpwrak has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2013-12-02 21:38 wpwrak has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 21:49 qwebirc37686 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 21:50 nicksydney has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-12-02 21:51 qwebirc37686 is now known as nicksydney 2013-12-02 21:52 wpwrak: for protoyping how many PCB do you have ? 2013-12-02 21:53 you mean aneloks ? just one for now 2013-12-02 21:54 the next one will have some changes. e.g., i need to swap some pins and such. 2013-12-02 21:55 wpwrak: you make the PCB yourself ? 2013-12-02 21:56 yup 2013-12-02 22:02 wpwrak: did you use the method of printing it on a glossy plastic-y paper and iron it to the copper ? 2013-12-02 22:07 yes, that's toner transfer 2013-12-02 22:07 just that i use a laminator instead of an iron. more consistent results :) 2013-12-02 22:09 can i use normal inkjet printer instead of laser printer ? 2013-12-02 22:11 lekernel has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-12-02 22:12 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 22:18 oh no :) it's the toner that makes the transfer. ink doesn't work that way 2013-12-02 22:19 yay, /. submission seems to be gaining on popularity 2013-12-02 22:19 should make it soon :) 2013-12-02 22:19 when you iron the sheet, the toner melts and attaches to the copper. there, it acts as an etch resist 2013-12-02 22:19 wpwrak: damn! don't have laser printer :( 2013-12-02 22:20 dos1: oh, the one i saw was from nov 2. easy to confuse the two :) 2013-12-02 22:20 hehe :D 2013-12-02 22:21 http://slashdot.org/popular 2013-12-02 22:21 already orange and high on popular list 2013-12-02 22:21 colors mean popularity, above orange is only red 2013-12-02 22:24 wpwrak: oh another thing was wondering shall we make a list of the bill of material ? or anelok has got one already ? 2013-12-02 22:24 funny. thought it was red light colors. green = pass, red = no go. counter-intuitive scheme :) 2013-12-02 22:24 hehe :) it's color scale from black to red, starts at blue IIRC 2013-12-02 22:25 nicksydney: only the one kicad auto-generates 2013-12-02 22:25 it's rather red -> hot and black -> dead I guess 2013-12-02 22:26 would be good to make one that can be auto-priced. i have some scripts that can extract data from digi-key (from the "b2" project, son of "boom", which is an automatic BOM generator. alas, WIP.) 2013-12-02 22:27 also need to make a component reference to data sheet mapping. that way, it'll be easier to guess the argument to "dsv" 2013-12-02 22:28 wpwrak: for the component how much did you spend all together ? 2013-12-02 22:28 wpwrak: to assemble 1 device 2013-12-02 22:30 lemme cut & paste from my shopping list ... 2013-12-02 22:34 dos1: maybe you can post here too .. ozbargain.com.au ... lots of technies there from down under :) 2013-12-02 22:34 these are the main new components i had to get: http://pastebin.com/pD8WddEx 2013-12-02 22:34 i have a lot of the smaller stuff already in my lab 2013-12-02 22:35 nicksydney: hmm, is neo900 really a "bargain"? :) 2013-12-02 22:35 note that i always get a few parts 2013-12-02 22:35 dos1: excellent freedom per euro ratio :) 2013-12-02 22:37 dos1: hahha....well for some ppl they are considering you can do whatever you like with it :) 2013-12-02 22:37 wpwrak: just realized there is zigbee 2013-12-02 22:38 for now :) 2013-12-02 22:41 ah, and to all this add the OLED: http://www.buy-display.com/default/oled-graphic-display.html 2013-12-02 22:42 then you have my pseudo-bom. not included: various smaller caps, resistors, led, etc. 2013-12-02 23:00 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-12-02 23:01 have to quit for while and try to bring one of my graphics cards after the brownout ... 2013-12-02 23:01 wpwrak has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-12-02 23:22 lekernel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-12-02 23:26 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2013-12-02 23:33 nicksydney has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-12-02 23:34 Luke-Jr has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2013-12-02 23:34 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware