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2013-11-23 01:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm a bit worrid about our NFC
2013-11-23 01:15 <DocScrutinizer05> a) where to place the antenna, and b) the chip Nikolaus favors doesn't seem to be a great choice
2013-11-23 01:15 <DocScrutinizer05> then OTOH NFC seems to have pretty low priority on our customers' wishlist
2013-11-23 01:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I just wonder if a few threads/meanders of a PCB trace, all along the outer circumference of the PCB, might work as a NFC antenna
2013-11-23 01:25 <wpwrak> isn't NFC 99% vapour ? the only uses i see mentioned are some obscure payment schemes implemented in some ultra low scale pilot trials
2013-11-23 01:26 <wpwrak> so maybe if you find that right shop in Munich and Dubai, you can show off with your NFC, but besides that ...
2013-11-23 01:27 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, quite that
2013-11-23 01:28 <DocScrutinizer05> my passport has a NFC chip I actually can *detect* (but not read out) with my N9
2013-11-23 01:28 <DocScrutinizer05> never seen any other live NFC "usecase"
2013-11-23 01:29 <DocScrutinizer05> about DT: https://lwn.net/Articles/572692/
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2013-11-23 01:32 <wpwrak> ah, that's useful, thanks ! i'll have to wrestle with DT for atben, too
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2013-11-23 02:06 <DocScrutinizer05> >>We found out the hard way with DT that it's not really possible to have a stable ABI while simultaneously trying to figure out how to describe things in the first place<<
2013-11-23 02:07 <DocScrutinizer05> and since things will not stop changing, the ABI will neither, I might add
2013-11-23 02:08 <wpwrak> well, it will slow down. interfaces in linux never stop changing. that's a feature, not a bug.
2013-11-23 02:08 <DocScrutinizer05> there's always the N+1th hardware hack you didn't think of
2013-11-23 02:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess I'm just no fan of a "one size fits all" approach for kernels
2013-11-23 02:17 <DocScrutinizer05> while same time guys like Poettering pushing actively to "fork" away from a common unix base
2013-11-23 02:18 <DocScrutinizer05> in my book the kernel should be tailored to fit the particular hw platform, so a uniform unix userland can run on top of it
2013-11-23 02:18 <DocScrutinizer05> current movement seems to go the opposite direction
2013-11-23 02:19 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't make sense to me
2013-11-23 02:21 * DocScrutinizer05 waits for    Poettering: "Posix is EVIL and must die"
2013-11-23 02:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and coming up with a kernel that's some extensions to systemd
2013-11-23 02:25 <wpwrak> i somehow don't think he'll find it easy to convince Linus to allow that to happen :)
2013-11-23 02:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I think poettering already ignores Linus
2013-11-23 02:26 <DocScrutinizer05> or has a dedicated notion about him
2013-11-23 02:27 <DocScrutinizer05> he for sure has a negative notion about LSB
2013-11-23 02:28 <DocScrutinizer05> and why bother Linus when we simply abolish the kernel all together and replace it by something that finally gives us localization and audio over ethernet in bootmenu
2013-11-23 02:31 <DocScrutinizer05> system calls only via dbus, and Qt is the only allowable toolkit to implement any binaries
2013-11-23 02:32 <wpwrak> then let him make his PoetterOS and live happily ever after ... in a land far far away ;-)
2013-11-23 02:32 <DocScrutinizer05> on the dark side of the moon please
2013-11-23 02:32 <wpwrak> you should encourage him. the faster he progresses, the sooner you'll be rid of him :)
2013-11-23 02:33 <DocScrutinizer05> that might be true, he's just not fast enough to piss everybody same time
2013-11-23 02:33 <DocScrutinizer05> we almost forgot already about avahi and PA
2013-11-23 02:34 <DocScrutinizer05> and fake /usr sneaks in to every distro already
2013-11-23 02:34 <wpwrak> maybe he's one of those moles MS sent out. it worked for Nokia.
2013-11-23 02:35 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, we suspected that for quite a while now
2013-11-23 02:38 <DocScrutinizer05> saturn:~ # ls /bin/systemd*
2013-11-23 02:38 <DocScrutinizer05> /bin/systemd               /bin/systemd-journalctl  /bin/systemd-machine-id-setup  /bin/systemd-tmpfiles
2013-11-23 02:38 <DocScrutinizer05> /bin/systemd-ask-password  /bin/systemd-loginctl    /bin/systemd-notify            /bin/systemd-tty-ask-password-agent
2013-11-23 02:41 <DocScrutinizer05> even better: systemctl --help
2013-11-23 02:42 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly doesn't work without PA and X11
2013-11-23 02:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
2013-11-23 02:42 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm just waiting for the wizard
2013-11-23 02:43 <wpwrak> maybe he can cast a spell and turn poettering into a frog
2013-11-23 02:44 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, the systemd-wizard
2013-11-23 02:45 <DocScrutinizer05> with a little animated penguin instead of that paperclip
2013-11-23 02:45 <DocScrutinizer05> Franz Klammer
2013-11-23 02:45 * DocScrutinizer05 goes bathroom, throwing up a bit
2013-11-23 02:45 <wpwrak> now you're insulting our national icons
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2013-11-23 02:47 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly though, who needs console when the init process (systemd) needs to start up wayland anyway
2013-11-23 02:48 <DocScrutinizer05> soon linux won't run on anything that can't drive at least a 800*480 565RGB display
2013-11-23 02:49 <wpwrak> who needs a keyboard to enter ASCII if you could do an interpretative dance on the touch screen ?
2013-11-23 02:49 <DocScrutinizer05> since systemd can't boot the system
2013-11-23 02:49 <wpwrak> no, that's PoetterOS that won't run on that old stuff. it'll only run on systems beyond the singularity
2013-11-23 02:50 <DocScrutinizer05> we already learned that udev is not needed anymore and /usr is vintage obsolete legacy since nowadays every system has at least 10GB on /
2013-11-23 02:51 <wpwrak> and / is best kept in a RAM disk
2013-11-23 02:51 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
2013-11-23 02:51 <wpwrak> actually, why not store it in the GPU's copious memory
2013-11-23 02:52 <DocScrutinizer05> since otherwise you don't get decent response times on the screen reader that reads the kernel's console output for you
2013-11-23 02:52 <DocScrutinizer05> or do you hate blind people?? tell me do you hate blind people?
2013-11-23 02:53 <DocScrutinizer05> what a disgrace for mankind
2013-11-23 02:53 <DocScrutinizer05> it's FREEEEEE, you get it all for FREEEEEEE
2013-11-23 02:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd honestly not be surprised when actually somebody shoots him down one day
2013-11-23 02:56 <wpwrak> would that somebody be called "joerg" ?
2013-11-23 02:56 <wpwrak> "arrest the usual joergs" ?
2013-11-23 02:57 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTdUmlGxVo0&t=3296&noredirect=1
2013-11-23 02:57 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, I'm just hoping for somebody else doing it before I have to
2013-11-23 02:59 <DocScrutinizer05> (not really)
2013-11-23 03:00 <wpwrak> oops. too late. the drone is already on its way.
2013-11-23 03:00 <DocScrutinizer05> the poor NSA guys down over there in the lorry
2013-11-23 03:01 <DocScrutinizer05> their radio stuff mist have confused it
2013-11-23 03:01 <DocScrutinizer05> must*
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2013-11-23 12:10 <ysionneau> wpwrak: very interesting emails (about anelok and chosing the RF chip)
2013-11-23 12:10 <ysionneau> I don't have anything interesting to say in reply, but it's nice to read :)
2013-11-23 12:43 <wpwrak> thanks :)
2013-11-23 12:44 <wpwrak> it's already good to know that someone is reading them :) they're a bit at risk of TL;DR
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2013-11-23 14:33 <ysionneau> wpwrak: long but dense in informations
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2013-11-23 14:43 <wpwrak> yeah, sorry about that :)
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2013-11-23 16:30 <DocScrutinizer05> emails? any link to pipermail?
2013-11-23 16:32 <wpwrak> just subscribing to the list, like everyone else does, would be way too easy :)
2013-11-23 16:34 <wpwrak>  /execute-on-behalf-of DocScrutinizer05 /nick DocExtrawurst  :)
2013-11-23 16:34 <wpwrak> it's a whole series of mails, eight of them: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2013-November/thread.html
2013-11-23 16:34 <wpwrak> they're the ones beginning with "anelok: revisiting Bluetooth,"
2013-11-23 16:35 <wpwrak> this is the first one: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2013-November/010388.html
2013-11-23 16:35 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks
2013-11-23 16:35 <wpwrak> they're not threaded so that each can have its own thread (otherwise things would get very messy if there's a significant number of responses)
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2013-11-23 17:38 <whitequark> wpwrak: extrawurst?
2013-11-23 17:38 <whitequark> a lot of sausage?
2013-11-23 17:40 <lekernel> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrawurst > German idiomatic expression
2013-11-23 17:41 <whitequark> mmmmmm, looks tasty
2013-11-23 17:42 <whitequark> damn, now I need to eat something. :/
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2013-11-23 17:55 <DocScrutinizer05> hehehe
2013-11-23 17:57 <DocScrutinizer05> everyone else subscribed to that one ML? DANG your mailservers must be beefy to serve those 8(?) billion mails several times a day
2013-11-23 17:58 <DocScrutinizer05> btw I don't trust austrian meat products
2013-11-23 17:58 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly sausage
2013-11-23 18:00 <whitequark> did they betray you once ?
2013-11-23 18:09 <DocScrutinizer05> we seen quite some incidents with green meat from Austria IIRC
2013-11-23 18:10 <DocScrutinizer05> google "gammelfleischskandal"
2013-11-23 18:10 <whitequark> googled "green meat". apart from some peta bullshit it brings up http://www.onegreenplanet.org/news/are-condoms-made-from-meat-the-future-of-sex/
2013-11-23 18:11 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.google.de/search?q=gammelfleischskandal+oesterreich
2013-11-23 18:11 <whitequark> yeah, found it
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2013-11-23 18:14 <mwcampbell> Is the Ben NanoNote still available for purchase? Sharism.cc seems to have gone away.
2013-11-23 18:31 <wpwrak> pulster.eu should still have some bens
2013-11-23 18:32 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: red is the color of food. green is the color of the food eaten by food :)
2013-11-23 18:39 <lekernel> whitequark, they are already condoms made of goat intestine. also promising "better sensations" ...
2013-11-23 18:40 <whitequark> lekernel: I think this is the original way of making them
2013-11-23 18:40 <whitequark> dating back to 1600 or something?
2013-11-23 18:42 <wpwrak> if you're going to put horns on some guy's head by bonking his wife, goat seems appropriate :)
2013-11-23 18:43 <DocScrutinizer05> yup, alongside with knitted ones ;-)
2013-11-23 18:43 <wpwrak> faith-based anti-conception :)
2013-11-23 18:43 <whitequark> wpwrak: I think they were mainly to prevent spread of STDs
2013-11-23 18:44 <whitequark> syphilis iirc. and somewhat effective at that. not as good as latex, but pretty good
2013-11-23 18:50 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly when used with a gel of mercury salts, a very common practice a few hundred years ago
2013-11-23 18:50 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, they been quite mordern back when ;-P
2013-11-23 18:50 <DocScrutinizer05> modern*
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2013-11-23 18:52 <paul_boddie> mwcampbell: If no-one else replied yet (or even if they did), pulster.eu may have some NanoNotes left.
2013-11-23 18:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I just wonder how the topic came up
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2013-11-23 18:53 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if that's an immanent effect of IRC that users are leaving channel when highlighted
2013-11-23 18:53 <DocScrutinizer05> seen that so many times now
2013-11-23 18:55 <paul_boddie> What? The finger-point of expulsion?
2013-11-23 19:03 <paul_boddie> Maybe their IRC clients have a vulnerability in the "highlight" code.
2013-11-23 19:23 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, sth like that
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2013-11-23 22:33 <paul_boddie> http://www.crowdsupply.com/chibitronics/circuit-stickers - 2,059,800% funded: take that, Ubuntu Edge! ;-)
2013-11-23 22:34 <paul_boddie> A lot of interest in this kind of thing these days.
2013-11-23 22:36 <whitequark> yeah
2013-11-23 22:39 <paul_boddie> It's like the convergence of LilyPad and Bare Paint.
2013-11-23 22:39 <whitequark> I wonder how soon the hype will subside
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2013-11-23 22:48 <paul_boddie> Not so soon: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/863853574/touch-board-interactivity-everywhere
2013-11-23 22:49 <DocScrutinizer05> would any of you have a hint where to source Molex 5000246471 in low Qty of maybe 500?
2013-11-23 22:50 <paul_boddie> Although that looks quite like fun, and respect to them for not using stupid Flash videos with idiot "Yikes! Download Adobe Garbage!" messages from hipster sites.
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