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2013-11-19 08:44 <apelete> Good morning everyone
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2013-11-19 09:06 <larsc> morning
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2013-11-19 09:21 <apelete> larsc: thinking about submitting the fix for hnp upstream, so that review can start asap
2013-11-19 09:22 <apelete> do you think that's a good idea or not ?
2013-11-19 09:27 <larsc> probably a good idea
2013-11-19 09:28 <apelete> larsc: any advice on how to proceed ?
2013-11-19 09:29 <larsc> git format-patch; git send-email ;)
2013-11-19 09:31 <apelete> larsc: nice, thanks :-)
2013-11-19 09:32 <apelete> will let you know before doing it, probably tonight after work
2013-11-19 10:04 <apelete> larsc: what kernel version and tree should the fix be rebased on ?
2013-11-19 10:04 <apelete> latest 3.13-rcX ? linus' tree or someone else's (felipe balbi maybe) ?
2013-11-19 10:18 <larsc> the later
2013-11-19 10:18 <larsc> check the MAINTAINERS file
2013-11-19 10:18 <larsc> there is probably a git tree for USB
2013-11-19 10:20 <apelete> yeah, felipe is the maintainer for musb, and he's got a tree for usb
2013-11-19 10:21 <apelete> larsc: will mirror his tree and rebase the fix on it, thanks
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2013-11-19 14:39 <DocScrutinizer05> what's the problem with HNP?
2013-11-19 14:41 <DocScrutinizer05> (not that in real life HNP is *ever* used. But I seen it working when we experimented with H-E-N prototypes)
2013-11-19 14:42 <DocScrutinizer05> larsc: ^^^
2013-11-19 14:44 <larsc> that the board doesn't have HNP support
2013-11-19 14:44 <larsc> but the linux kernel assumes it has
2013-11-19 14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> oh well
2013-11-19 14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah
2013-11-19 14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ok
2013-11-19 14:44 <larsc> easy to fix
2013-11-19 14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> makes sense to kick it out then
2013-11-19 14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody needs HNP
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2013-11-19 14:46 <DocScrutinizer05> at least I hope no silly printer is using HNP to switch the camera from USB-A to mass-storage to download the pictures to print
2013-11-19 14:46 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a brainfart concept
2013-11-19 14:48 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll need it when you want a USB-OTG stamp from USBcert
2013-11-19 14:50 <DocScrutinizer05> but OTG is overengineered anyway
2013-11-19 14:50 <wpwrak> HNP is what happens when you let the intern design your OTG:
2013-11-19 14:51 <wpwrak> the intern thinks about it for a moment, realizes that host/device role could be communicated simply through the ID pin, and drafts that up. hands the draft to the experts on the same day.
2013-11-19 14:52 <DocScrutinizer05> HNP is about overriding the ID assignment
2013-11-19 14:52 <wpwrak> they look at it and are HORRIFIED. where's all the complexity ? what is there to make their jobs look important ? what to make the certificate a difficult and therefore worthwhile goal ?
2013-11-19 14:53 <wpwrak> then they go in to design HNP. and the world is whole again :)
2013-11-19 14:53 <wpwrak> s/in/on/
2013-11-19 14:53 <qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "then they go on to design HNP. and the world is whole agaon :)"
2013-11-19 14:53 <DocScrutinizer05> HNP is defined as swapping A/B roles as defined by ID pin
2013-11-19 14:53 <wpwrak> yes, i know :)
2013-11-19 14:54 <wpwrak> at least that's what it says
2013-11-19 14:54 <DocScrutinizer05> without ID there's no HNP really
2013-11-19 14:54 <DocScrutinizer05> when you use a USB hardware that doesn't care about ID then it's not OTG and thus doesn't need to bother about HNP
2013-11-19 14:55 <wpwrak> it's true purpose is to add the complexity that was forgotten in that silly ID pin concept. you have to uphold the brand reputation, don't you ? USB - certified complexity
2013-11-19 14:55 <wpwrak> s/it's/its/ # damn
2013-11-19 14:55 <qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "its true purpose is to add the complexity that was forgotten in that silly ID pin concept. you have to uphold the brand reputation, don't you ? USB - certified complexity"
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2013-11-19 19:40 <apelete> larsc: hi
2013-11-19 19:41 <larsc> hi
2013-11-19 19:43 <apelete> larsc: I just rebased the hnp patch on top of felipe balbi's master branch
2013-11-19 19:44 <apelete> been wondering, how to test it since there is no qi_lb60_defconfig file upstream ?
2013-11-19 19:45 <apelete> what config file should I use to do a test build before submitting ?
2013-11-19 19:46 <larsc> I think you can just copy the qi_lb60_defconfig
2013-11-19 19:47 <apelete> ok, that's what I did actually, and it builds, but how is the kernel community going to test it ?
2013-11-19 19:48 <larsc> they'll have to trust you
2013-11-19 19:48 <larsc> You can test the patch without the hardware anyway
2013-11-19 19:49 <apelete> ok, fine :-)
2013-11-19 19:50 <larsc> s/can/can't/
2013-11-19 19:50 <qi-bot> larsc meant: "You can't test the patch without the hardware anyway"
2013-11-19 19:50 <larsc> that makes more sense
2013-11-19 19:50 <apelete> I will try it on the nanonote on my side before submitting it
2013-11-19 19:52 <apelete> yeah, just thought about asking you before doing something stupid ;-)
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2013-11-19 20:45 <wpwrak> s/it's/its/ # damn
2013-11-19 20:45 <wpwrak> oops
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2013-11-19 21:43 <apelete> larsc: what do you think about it ? -> http://paste.debian.net/66683/ http://paste.debian.net/66684/
2013-11-19 21:43 <apelete> shouldn't you be in Cc: ?
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2013-11-19 23:24 <DocScrutinizer05> roh: ping
2013-11-19 23:24 <DocScrutinizer05> roh: CCC?