2013-11-18 00:29 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-11-18 01:28 unclouded has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-11-18 01:35 freespace has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-11-18 01:35 freespace has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 01:41 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-11-18 01:47 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 02:12 kristianpaul has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2013-11-18 02:18 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 02:18 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 02:18 kristianpaul has quit [Changing host] 2013-11-18 02:21 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-11-18 02:58 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 04:27 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-11-18 04:49 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-11-18 04:53 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 05:49 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-11-18 05:54 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 05:56 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-11-18 06:00 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 06:12 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-11-18 06:41 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-11-18 06:57 rozzin has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 07:41 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 07:44 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-11-18 07:46 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 08:15 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 08:31 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 08:49 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 09:11 lilvinz- has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 2013-11-18 09:11 lilvinz has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 09:40 morning everyone 2013-11-18 09:53 Morning in the CET/UTC timezone. :) 2013-11-18 09:54 morning ! 2013-11-18 09:56 panda|x201 is now known as panda|w530 2013-11-18 09:56 sanderr: http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html 2013-11-18 10:07 could seomeone help me with details about usb "host negotiation protocol (hnp)" ? 2013-11-18 10:07 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 10:08 experiencing an issue that seems related to hnp -> http://paste.debian.net/66079/ 2013-11-18 10:09 whitequark: I like that time zone, UGT! :) 2013-11-18 10:29 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 11:35 apelete: I don't think on the jz4740 any otg stuff is supported 2013-11-18 11:38 I think you don't need hw support for otg? 2013-11-18 11:38 it's more or less a bunch of resistors and a set of rules for supplying the power in right states 2013-11-18 11:39 you need hw support 2013-11-18 11:39 oh, and a usb host. that's what's missing from jz4740 :) 2013-11-18 11:40 s,otg,hnp, in the first message 2013-11-18 11:40 hnp needs special hardware 2013-11-18 11:41 it's a protocol for deciding who gets to be host when two otg devices are connected to each other 2013-11-18 11:41 what you mean is the ID pin 2013-11-18 11:42 oh, HNP is a different thing? I see 2013-11-18 12:02 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 12:05 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 12:23 HNP is what they added when they realized that it all looked too damn simple :) 2013-11-18 12:47 larsc: ok, that's what I thought by reading on the internet 2013-11-18 12:47 so the question is why does the nanonote is trying to use hnp 2013-11-18 12:48 and eventually how to prevent it from using hnp 2013-11-18 12:49 thanks guys for the simple explanation 2013-11-18 13:02 sanderr: UGT? 2013-11-18 13:03 since infobot not here, I'll just say: good (UGT/JRTZV) morning 2013-11-18 13:07 DocScrutinizer05: Universal greeting time. :) 2013-11-18 13:12 yeah 2013-11-18 13:13 and JR TimeZoneVirtual 2013-11-18 13:13 * whitequark has posted the link already... joerg is lazy and doesn't read backlog ;) 2013-11-18 13:14 DocScrutinizer05: what the hell is jrtzv? zero google hits 2013-11-18 13:14 that's not googleable because google searching on this planet only, not in virtual space dimension 2013-11-18 13:14 hah 2013-11-18 13:15 lindi- has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 2013-11-18 13:15 JRTZV has a perod of ~40h, though with a huge amount of jitter that nobody has found a correct formula for so far 2013-11-18 13:16 period 2013-11-18 13:16 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 13:16 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 13:16 lindi- has quit [Changing host] 2013-11-18 13:17 DocScrutinizer05: in russian, we have a nice idiom, отсыпь [pour off], referring to the drugs the other party must be using, based on what they say :) 2013-11-18 13:19 when you try to map JRTZV to any TZ usually used on SOL3, you will notice the interesting effect of backwarp, JRTZV magically warps up to match the local TZ with the first 24h and never reaches the hours around 30-40. However since it usually is 40h, it fails on the 24h target and has a scew of 2..5 h / 24h period 2013-11-18 13:23 I bet the guys from SCP are already monitoring JRTZV for its effects on human life and reality on earth 2013-11-18 13:24 xiangfu_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 13:24 http://www.scp-wiki.net/ 2013-11-18 13:25 yeah 2013-11-18 13:36 * DocScrutinizer05 just has developed the theory that JRTZV is mainly powered by caffeine 2013-11-18 13:36 * DocScrutinizer05 heads out to prepare another coffee 2013-11-18 13:42 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 13:59 qwebirc58373 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 14:01 wolfspraul has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-11-18 14:03 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 14:04 qwebirc58373 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2013-11-18 14:07 xiangfu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-11-18 14:08 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-11-18 14:09 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 14:09 xiangfu_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 14:29 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-11-18 14:32 panda|w530 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-11-18 14:49 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 15:31 hahaha 2013-11-18 15:31 mayor of toronto: "yeah, I smoked crack, probably in one of my drunken stupors" 2013-11-18 15:32 http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1037731&playlistId=1.1528827&binId=1.810401&playlistPageNum=1 2013-11-18 15:32 a honest politician at last? 2013-11-18 15:39 ;-)) 2013-11-18 16:05 http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/11/neo900/ 2013-11-18 16:05 congrats 2013-11-18 16:06 hope that'll give you much more people 2013-11-18 16:06 just an additional 33% were already nice 2013-11-18 16:07 making for our needed 200 "customers" "promising" to buy a device 2013-11-18 16:11 "The German plot" 2013-11-18 16:12 that sounds dangerous 2013-11-18 16:14 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-11-18 16:14 xiangfu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-11-18 16:24 haha 2013-11-18 16:25 "journalism's kinda scary and of it we should be wary..." 2013-11-18 16:26 "wonder what became of Mary?" 2013-11-18 16:29 Information is not knowledge 2013-11-18 16:29 Knowledge is not wisdom 2013-11-18 16:29 Wisdom is not truth 2013-11-18 16:29 Truth is not beauty 2013-11-18 16:29 Beauty is not love 2013-11-18 16:29 Love is not music 2013-11-18 16:29 Music is THE BEST . . . 2013-11-18 16:29 Wisdom is the domain of the Wis (which is extinct) 2013-11-18 16:29 Beauty is a French phonetic corruption 2013-11-18 16:29 Of a short cloth neck ornament 2013-11-18 16:29 Currently in resurgence . . . 2013-11-18 16:37 lekernel has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-11-18 16:43 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-11-18 16:51 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 17:11 panda|w530 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 18:28 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 18:30 relevant: http://www.sify.com/news/satiric-political-party-wins-council-poll-in-iceland-news-international-kf4wkdhfije.html 2013-11-18 18:47 'We can promise more than the others, because we will in no way keep these promises,' ... what's satiric about that ? 2013-11-18 18:55 wpwrak: they are honest 2013-11-18 19:00 (german plot) it means great ambitions and resourceful protagonists :) 2013-11-18 19:01 DocScrutinizer05: EUR 500-700 just the PCBA or complete Neo900 ? 2013-11-18 19:01 PCBA 2013-11-18 19:01 We won't reach <700 for complete device 2013-11-18 19:01 unless we sell 1000+ 2013-11-18 19:02 ah, that ought to be easy :) 2013-11-18 19:02 a refurbished comlete N900 is ~110$ 2013-11-18 19:03 and we need to disassemble >=200 of them, and desolder unobtanium parts like SMIA95 sockets for camera etc 2013-11-18 19:03 whcu makes for another 50EUR per device, for working hours 2013-11-18 19:03 which* 2013-11-18 19:04 so complete device is about PCBA-€ + 150€ 2013-11-18 19:04 maybe even +200€ 2013-11-18 19:05 or we find crap like the SMIA95-16p and other special parts, and also we can source *cheap display half and complete housing incl antennae etc 2013-11-18 19:07 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-11-18 19:11 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 19:24 you have to at least double any input costs. so the parts from that complete N900 will cost in the end some EUR 300 2013-11-18 19:24 but if you can avoid desoldering, that's much nice :) 2013-11-18 19:41 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-11-18 19:43 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 19:48 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-11-18 19:50 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 20:24 lindi- has quit [K-Lined] 2013-11-18 20:25 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 20:25 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 20:25 lindi- has quit [Changing host] 2013-11-18 20:29 lindi- has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-11-18 20:30 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 20:30 lindi- has quit [Changing host] 2013-11-18 20:30 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 20:49 rz2k has quit [] 2013-11-18 20:54 dandon_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 20:55 dandon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-11-18 20:55 dandon_ is now known as dandon 2013-11-18 20:59 kilae has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 25.0.1/20131112160018]] 2013-11-18 21:29 yeah, it's all a nightmare 2013-11-18 21:29 as expected 2013-11-18 21:29 for some more bright entertainment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ta7Mh9a_y8 2013-11-18 21:30 seems some watchers doubt it's real ;-) 2013-11-18 21:44 ;-)) 2013-11-18 21:45 mth larsc: fixed the kernel crash when the device is powered down and the musb driver is being released -> http://paste.debian.net/66488/ 2013-11-18 21:47 good :) 2013-11-18 21:47 what was it? 2013-11-18 21:55 larsc: musb gadget code was using host negotiation unconditionnally: I fixed it so that hnp is not used it the musb kernel module is compiled as gadget only 2013-11-18 21:55 s/it/if/ 2013-11-18 21:55 ok 2013-11-18 21:55 apelete meant: "larsc: musb gadget code was using host negotiation uncondifionnally: I fixed if so that hnp is not used if the musb kernel module is compiled as gadget only" 2013-11-18 22:11 lekernel has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-11-18 22:11 larsc: something is still amiss when nanonote is connect to a usb host laptop -> http://paste.debian.net/66496/ 2013-11-18 22:12 looks like a NULL pointer deref 2013-11-18 22:13 kernel is not crashing upon being connected, but device is not detected as an ethernet device and the kernel crashes when it is powered down 2013-11-18 22:14 larsc: yeah looks like it, guess I have to wield gdb on this one 2013-11-18 22:23 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-11-18 22:24 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 22:29 DocScrutinizer05: (wired) you don't need to state in every post that you're a professional :-) 2013-11-18 22:30 hehe 2013-11-18 22:30 yeah, I already noticed that it's probably a bit over the top 2013-11-18 22:30 maybe I shouldn't answer each pst anyway 2013-11-18 22:30 post 2013-11-18 22:33 It's just I feel allergig when noobs and wannabes try to educate me about how stuff works 2013-11-18 22:33 allergic* 2013-11-18 22:34 i wonder if it would make sense to add taps to the SIM card. e.g., to monitor what it's doing and maybe even to have the option to cut communication. 2013-11-18 22:34 maybe something to discuss with those SIM card hackers. 2013-11-18 22:34 particularly when they point to other similarly noobish and made up "documents" and claim that was the source of absolute truth and we better read THAT to finally get a clue how stuff works 2013-11-18 22:35 wpwrak: believe it or not, it's already on my todo list 2013-11-18 22:35 kewl ;-) 2013-11-18 22:35 btw since 2009 iirc 2013-11-18 22:36 hmm, now i have to ask what is on the list: adding the taps or talking to the SIM card hackers ? :) 2013-11-18 22:37 12-Nov-2009 19:48 2013-11-18 22:37 adding taps 2013-11-18 22:38 excellent :) 2013-11-18 22:39 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/gta04.pdf > >later module firmware update can enable multi­SIM operation .SIM control and data lines should be Y­routed to CPU GPIO for debug purposes. [see 9. Dual­SIM]<< 2013-11-18 22:41 >>selected by CPU, and vice versa). 2013-11-18 22:41 SIM­datalines to multiplexer of GSM­module should also be monitored and controllable by 2013-11-18 22:41 CPU GPIO, for purposes like e.g. SIM­protocol analysis and Remote SIM­Access­Profile 2013-11-18 22:41 via BlueTooth handled by CPU.<< 2013-11-18 22:42 the GTA04 OM skunkworks project, you know? 2013-11-18 22:44 heh :) 2013-11-18 22:46 now let's see if any other press comes knocking at your door 2013-11-18 22:49 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 22:51 larsc: thought the crash was due to the rndis driver being built into kernel but it wasn't 2013-11-18 22:52 doesn't like that "g_ether gadget: notify connect false" though, seems suspicious to me -> http://paste.debian.net/66507/ 2013-11-18 22:53 getting late to start gdb debugging, will look into that tomorrow 2013-11-18 22:56 lekernel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-11-18 23:33 freespace has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-11-18 23:39 wpwrak: (any other press) I already sent a notice to c't redaction 2 weeks ago and they conveniently ignored it 2013-11-18 23:40 bah, loosers. well, maybe they read "wired" :) 2013-11-18 23:45 freespace has joined #qi-hardware 2013-11-18 23:45 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]