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2013-11-08 09:42 <DocScrutinizer05> hihihi
2013-11-08 09:45 <DocScrutinizer05> how do you like new design (and new "stretch-goal") of http://neo900.org/#donate ? (we worked hard to not have any such ill concepts like that mnemonic in it)
2013-11-08 09:51 <wpwrak> hmm, i'd emphasize reaching the financing goal. making it clear that "we already got the meal covered. now we're going for dessert !" and maybe add a 500 mark, to make the next step less intimidating ?
2013-11-08 09:52 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
2013-11-08 09:53 <wpwrak> i.e., it's a bit unclear now what your requirements are. so you need the money AND 200 people (before you can do anything) ? at least it could be interpreted that way
2013-11-08 09:55 <DocScrutinizer05> we need the 200 users interested in buying a device, or we can't plan for mass production. We already can prepare the "data" to start mass production, but we can't do proper shopping for an anticipated sales volume of 132 devices
2013-11-08 09:55 <wpwrak> in any case, i still think it's a bit early to worry about numbers just yet. that is, unless you already plan to (or, worse, be forced to) bulk-order custom parts for the prototypes
2013-11-08 09:55 <DocScrutinizer05> please see hover text of "1000"
2013-11-08 09:55 <wpwrak> yes, but do you have to start shopping already ?
2013-11-08 09:56 <wpwrak> on which of the several 1000 on the page would there be hover text ? don't see any
2013-11-08 09:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1385001#post1385001
2013-11-08 09:57 <DocScrutinizer05> on the "1000" on the progress bar
2013-11-08 09:57 <wpwrak> oh. it needed a reload. wait. now it's different :)
2013-11-08 09:57 <DocScrutinizer05> :-S
2013-11-08 09:58 <wpwrak> okay. much better ;)
2013-11-08 09:59 <wpwrak> but i'd put the hover text also on the "phase progress bar". people are much more likely to find it there
2013-11-08 10:00 <roh> find on hover??
2013-11-08 10:00 <wpwrak> the dashed underlines of the number don't suggest hoverability - they look like a rendering problem :)
2013-11-08 10:00 <roh> you know that tablet users dont see any hover?
2013-11-08 10:00 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: good point
2013-11-08 10:00 <roh> if its content, put it somewhere to see without hovering ,)
2013-11-08 10:01 <kyak> DocScrutinizer05: do you know how much discount i get from donation?
2013-11-08 10:01 <DocScrutinizer05> there are a few compromises
2013-11-08 10:01 <wpwrak> roh: http://doniv.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/evolution.jpg
2013-11-08 10:01 <DocScrutinizer05> kyak: 100% +2%/month
2013-11-08 10:02 <roh> wpwrak: hrhr... yep.. well.t hats whyt ive learned over the last few years.. dont want to explain all day? write it down. keep it short, essential. sort by importance. dont get caught on unimportant details early on.
2013-11-08 10:02 <kyak> DocScrutinizer05: sorry, i don't get it.. All the money i donate will then be discounted, plus 2% of that amount of money for each month between donation and buyin?
2013-11-08 10:03 <DocScrutinizer05> kyak: good point, we actually "optimized" that info out
2013-11-08 10:03 <DocScrutinizer05> kyak: simply click on "donate" ;-)
2013-11-08 10:03 <roh> and the questions i read in here say 'seems to be not simple enough'
2013-11-08 10:03 <kyak> DocScrutinizer05: ah, yeah, i was hesitant to click that before seeing "the rules" :)
2013-11-08 10:04 <wpwrak> i'd call that financial over-engineering :) on one hand, you have the risk of it all coming to nothing, on the other hand, you have a high-precision discount calculation. those germans are weird ;-)
2013-11-08 10:05 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: what's the alternative?
2013-11-08 10:05 <DocScrutinizer05> offering discount based on dice-rolling?
2013-11-08 10:06 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: "you will receive a discount roughly in the order to your donation (details to be defined as we progress)"
2013-11-08 10:06 <DocScrutinizer05> eeew
2013-11-08 10:07 <kyak> it doesn't ship to Russia though -\
2013-11-08 10:08 <roh> noone sane ships phones to russia
2013-11-08 10:08 <kyak> that's not quite true
2013-11-08 10:09 <roh> kyak: i know quite some small phone vendors, and none of them ships directly to within russia. simply not possible without high risk of getting the device impounded and destroyed
2013-11-08 10:09 <wpwrak> roh: are you insulting the mafia ? :)
2013-11-08 10:09 <roh> wpwrak: no. not at all. the mob doesnt have that issues. they simply buy abroad.
2013-11-08 10:10 <roh> that only hurts the regular society
2013-11-08 10:15 <roh> kyak: its a GOST-R certification which you need afaik. but i dont know the details
2013-11-08 10:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ask paul fertser ;-D
2013-11-08 10:17 <roh> ;)
2013-11-08 10:17 <DocScrutinizer05> it been an endless pain even for Nokia to send that hostmode devel device to him
2013-11-08 10:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't recall if in the end he been able to claim it from customs
2013-11-08 10:18 <roh> well.. the customers of such devices within russia usually know and let it be shipped outside the country, and then fetch it privately. there are no limitiations on what phones you got in your pockets, just the ones 'imported' as shipment
2013-11-08 10:19 <roh> and the russian customs seem to be quite good at their job
2013-11-08 10:19 <whitequark> roh: not sure what you're talking about, people buy phones shipped by mail all the time, including me, several times
2013-11-08 10:19 <whitequark> if you buy *one* phone no one cares. at all
2013-11-08 10:19 <roh> whitequark: well-.. i got told otherwise.
2013-11-08 10:20 <roh> but those guys sell 'special' phones  ;)
2013-11-08 10:20 <whitequark> roh: you can get bad luck with postal service but it doesn't really depends on what you're shipping.
2013-11-08 10:21 <whitequark> there's a service specializing in helping people get stuff off ebay. the only advice it gives is "instead of iphone write used phone in customs declarations". that's all. it's a regular parcel otherwise.
2013-11-08 10:25 <roh> whitequark: well.. if its a 4-digit priced device they confiscate
2013-11-08 10:25 <whitequark> roh: 4-digit sure, it's over a limit... I think it's $1k or $1.5k
2013-11-08 10:25 <whitequark> phones usually arent that expensive
2013-11-08 10:26 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: for paul that been quite different. ONE N900 shipped to a commercial addr (since you CANNOt ship to private addr at all), and customs or DHL or whoever first asked for some 150EUR to process, then customs refused to hand out the device since some paper missing or sth
2013-11-08 10:26 <roh> DocScrutinizer05: well.. thats why its important to get your paperwork correct ;)
2013-11-08 10:26 <whitequark> in those cases you usually ask the seller to underwrite the price, this also helps with stealing, but if you *want* to do it legally for some weird reason...
2013-11-08 10:26 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: how long ago it was? afaik the rules were changed recently.
2013-11-08 10:27 <DocScrutinizer05> roh: that paper was sth even Nokia never heard of
2013-11-08 10:27 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: maybe 2 or 3 years ago
2013-11-08 10:27 <whitequark> hm, strange
2013-11-08 10:28 <whitequark> idk about commercial rules, they're probably much more of a pain
2013-11-08 10:28 <DocScrutinizer05> it been endless agony
2013-11-08 10:29 <DocScrutinizer05> and THAT'S the reason Russia isn't available on GolDeliCo's dropdown
2013-11-08 10:30 <DocScrutinizer05> we dunno how to properly ship
2013-11-08 10:30 <DocScrutinizer05> see "Note: ..." on https://shop.goldelico.com/wiki.php?page=Neo900
2013-11-08 10:33 <roh> DocScrutinizer05: from my pov: i'd never try direct worldwide salses and shipping again. not like we did.
2013-11-08 10:34 <roh> if there would be 'one' webshop, then only when you got a distributor doing the shipping/taxes/money handling for each of the regions and ship within these (and take care of the importing from where you build the product)
2013-11-08 10:35 <DocScrutinizer05> roh: asking you about that shipping service is already on my todo list :-)
2013-11-08 10:35 <roh> the regions and paperworks are simply too different.. also tax systems etc.. warranty handling, garbage disposal fees.. so many details
2013-11-08 10:36 <DocScrutinizer05> luckily building fab is in Bavaria ;-D
2013-11-08 10:36 <roh> so: if you want to sell to $region.. get a regional distributor who already did all of that (shipping, handling rma/customer service, payment) and especially the import into that region
2013-11-08 10:36 <roh> then you are in luck when it comes to europe. the rest gets more complicated... well... you still need a WEEE number and some stuff, but thats about it.
2013-11-08 10:37 <DocScrutinizer05> roh: we're currently hoping for a 200 devices to ship
2013-11-08 10:38 <DocScrutinizer05> probably the most sane thing is to just say "sorry, please find a way around our limitations, maybe you have a friend in another country..."
2013-11-08 10:39 <DocScrutinizer05> Nikolaus already started headdesking while implementing Japan and Brazil to the webshop
2013-11-08 10:40 <roh> ;)
2013-11-08 10:40 <roh> well.. weee is madness enough for europe.. and CE and whatnot
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2013-11-08 12:56 <DocScrutinizer05> kyak: thanks for bringing up the missing rebate note
2013-11-08 12:57 <DocScrutinizer05> interim fix implemented
2013-11-08 12:57 <DocScrutinizer05> better one later
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2013-11-08 16:14 <kyak> DocScrutinizer05: np!
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2013-11-08 16:20 <wpwrak> if you (well, whoever does that page ... dos1 ?) want to go that deep into Web magic, you could perhaps have clickable phases that then show a pop-up with a quick summary of what completing the phase means.
2013-11-08 16:21 <wpwrak> as far as i can see, there's no indication anywhere now what the phases accomplish. so anyone who hasn't been following things from the beginning would now feel a little list
2013-11-08 16:21 <wpwrak> s/list/lost/
2013-11-08 16:21 <qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "as far as i can see, there's no indication anywhere now what the phases accomplish. so anyone who hasn't been following things from the beginning would now feel a little lost"
2013-11-08 16:23 <dos1> wpwrak: yep, it's already on my list
2013-11-08 16:23 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: yep, good point. Alas I have to push dos1 a bit to do such changes
2013-11-08 16:23 <wpwrak> hehe :)
2013-11-08 16:24 <wpwrak> you could also have a link "What are these phases ?" to a page with explanations. may be easier.
2013-11-08 16:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I also sugested to do a hover-text on the progress bar itself that shows details as of https://shop.goldelico.com/campaign/9603.php
2013-11-08 16:25 <DocScrutinizer05> WOW another 700 donation
2013-11-08 16:26 <DocScrutinizer05> we're pretty quiet meanwhile, some 3..6 donations per day
2013-11-08 16:26 <DocScrutinizer05> still some chances to reach the 200 at least, before we have to rethink the project
2013-11-08 16:28 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'm wondering how we could make good use of this one: http://shop.goldelico.com/campaign/9603.php?cmd=statistics
2013-11-08 16:28 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe a link "it's more fun to compete!" ? at least that been what users gave as rationale when asking for it ;-)
2013-11-08 16:29 <kyak> DocScrutinizer05: could you explain one thing for me? If you return back most of the donated money as a rebate, how will development be sponsored?
2013-11-08 16:29 <DocScrutinizer05> the development is included in final price of device
2013-11-08 16:30 <DocScrutinizer05> that's one of the reasons why devices get the cheaper the more orders we receive
2013-11-08 16:30 <kyak> ok, thi makes sense
2013-11-08 16:30 <dos1> I don't think reaching 200 will be hard, I even wonder if we aren't already there with all people who just want to wait till real preorders
2013-11-08 16:30 <DocScrutinizer05> actually 15k are basically completely R&D
2013-11-08 16:30 <dos1> but 1000 is surely a challenge
2013-11-08 16:31 <DocScrutinizer05> the remaining 10k to the 25k-goal are used entirely for additional prototypes
2013-11-08 16:32 <DocScrutinizer05> at least that's the plan
2013-11-08 16:32 <kyak> say, you released the first 1000 batch. There are no R&D costs for the following batches. Does it mean they will be cheaper?
2013-11-08 16:33 <kyak> and what is your plan regarding further batches? Will you gather preorders and then produce the batch?
2013-11-08 16:33 <DocScrutinizer05> well, we haven't decided on that yet, but most likely they will get a bit cheaper, but also bring us into the profit zone finally
2013-11-08 16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> and yes, we never will produce huge batches in advance
2013-11-08 16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> always basically build-to-order
2013-11-08 16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> at least for the first few k devices
2013-11-08 16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
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2013-11-08 16:36 <DocScrutinizer05> for the first 1000 this is still a "non-profit" enterprise
2013-11-08 16:37 <DocScrutinizer05> i.o.w. when I'd do this under standard commercial conditions (and the other ones involved as well), the device would have to be 3 times as expensive for a batch of 200
2013-11-08 16:38 <DocScrutinizer05> or 5 times
2013-11-08 16:38 <kyak> ok, i see
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2013-11-08 16:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I already invested 2 .. 3 man-months "for free", and I expect to do another 3 months when getting paid for maybe one of them, if at all
2013-11-08 16:39 <kyak> did you do everything from scratch?
2013-11-08 16:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm fine with it since I just want to *build* that thing, not get rich with it
2013-11-08 16:40 <kyak> the motherboard part seems especially hard to me
2013-11-08 16:40 <DocScrutinizer05> but eventually, you want to think about actually earning your bagels with your daily work
2013-11-08 16:41 <DocScrutinizer05> my hopes for that are as low as my hopes for a 1000devices/month
2013-11-08 16:41 <DocScrutinizer05> but IF that happens, we will earn some money from it too
2013-11-08 16:42 <kyak> this is going to be the only open source mobile phone in production. Unfortunately, this might be it's only advantage, since the competition is strong
2013-11-08 16:43 <kyak> so you can only hope for enthusiasts
2013-11-08 16:43 <DocScrutinizer05> well, there are a few other selling points, like e.g. kbd
2013-11-08 16:43 <kyak> i agree
2013-11-08 16:43 <DocScrutinizer05> which is a pretty strong selling point
2013-11-08 16:44 <kyak> it's just that iphone 5s 16 Gb is approximately the same price, and if a humble guy browsing for a new phone see the two, he wouldn't hesitate to choose iphone
2013-11-08 16:45 <kyak> but the keyboard.. yes, it's good! to the hell those touchscreens
2013-11-08 16:46 <DocScrutinizer05> we're not interested in that group of customers
2013-11-08 16:46 <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 explicitly does NOT compete to japanese and korean smartphones
2013-11-08 16:47 <DocScrutinizer05> Neo900 is *open*
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2013-11-08 16:47 <DocScrutinizer05> not shiny and fast and cheap
2013-11-08 16:48 <DocScrutinizer05> it's just faste *enough*
2013-11-08 16:48 <DocScrutinizer05> fast even
2013-11-08 16:48 <kyak> then it is inherently targeted for enthusiasts
2013-11-08 16:48 <DocScrutinizer05> since we don't run crappy android that needs 2GB and a quadcore or it will suck donkeyballs
2013-11-08 16:49 <kyak> just remember the Ben, same thing. Targeted for enthusiasts, and it's dead now
2013-11-08 16:49 <kyak> we played around with it, we move on
2013-11-08 16:49 <DocScrutinizer05> we also don't want damn "leete multitouch capacitive"
2013-11-08 16:49 <DocScrutinizer05> kyak: we had that discussion about a zillion times during last 3 months
2013-11-08 16:50 <kyak> btw, don't get me wrong. I want me next phone to be Neo900 :) i;m just being pessimistic
2013-11-08 16:50 <DocScrutinizer05> again: we target at a batch of 200
2013-11-08 16:50 <DocScrutinizer05> if we reach 1000 I'm deeply impressed and happy as a clam
2013-11-08 16:52 <wpwrak> (compete) you should put the per capita amount for the respective country :)
2013-11-08 16:52 <DocScrutinizer05> that's derived values
2013-11-08 16:53 <DocScrutinizer05> easy to calculate for dos1
2013-11-08 16:55 <DocScrutinizer05> (user base) we had such amazing success with the fundraiser since we prepared our complete potential user base for 2 months at least, before we went online with the fundraiser. Everybody was eager to see this happen finally. Once everybody who planned to do had put his pledge, the donations stalled and there we are now
2013-11-08 16:55 <DocScrutinizer05> we won't magically find new huge interested communities
2013-11-08 16:56 <DocScrutinizer05> the occasional surfer who learned about N900 and maemo via the Neo900 "hype" on media, maybe
2013-11-08 16:57 <roh> the most important point is not to promise and then not deliver.
2013-11-08 16:57 <wpwrak> i think you even shouldn't try to enlist a lot more people. go with the enthusiasts for now, see how things go. if you hit a snag, they'll be friendly. less stress for you when something goes wrong.
2013-11-08 16:57 <roh> doing what one says counts most from my pov.
2013-11-08 16:57 <DocScrutinizer05> and those who followed the adventure since months but currently don't have the money to spare
2013-11-08 16:57 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: sure
2013-11-08 16:58 <DocScrutinizer05> roh: any indications we might fail to do so?
2013-11-08 16:58 <roh> nope. just wanted to address that point.
2013-11-08 16:58 <DocScrutinizer05> that been my point #1 from very beginning
2013-11-08 16:58 <roh> do what you say and not change course 10 times on the way is worth a lot.
2013-11-08 16:59 <DocScrutinizer05> and the reason it took 6 weeks until we finally opened the fundraiser
2013-11-08 16:59 <roh> gtg... bbl
2013-11-08 16:59 <DocScrutinizer05> we had to make sure we actually can deliver on 95% of what we promise
2013-11-08 16:59 <wpwrak> roh: i couldn't possibly think of an example where frequent course changes would have been a problem ;-)
2013-11-08 17:00 <DocScrutinizer05> no way, always is a brilliant idea, wpwrak X-P
2013-11-08 17:00 <kyak> wpwrak: how come that you don't take part in this, anyway?
2013-11-08 17:01 <DocScrutinizer05> last project that did this went so awesome, I had to leave or I couldn'z stand the awesomeness ;-)
2013-11-08 17:02 <DocScrutinizer05> hihi
2013-11-08 17:03 <DocScrutinizer05> kyak: who knows, maybe he surprises us with a ready-made port of some great OS. How could you tell he won't?
2013-11-08 17:04 <DocScrutinizer05> kyak: we also already might have hired wpwrak as our main tester
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2013-11-08 17:05 <kyak> you are safe then :)
2013-11-08 17:05 <DocScrutinizer05> and obviously we receive a lot of premium-class review of our business model and ... DUH
2013-11-08 17:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I hope that wasn't a ragequit? :-o
2013-11-08 17:07 <DocScrutinizer05> did I say sth inappropriate?
2013-11-08 17:07 <kyak> well, there is no such word as ragequit in my dictionary, so you might :)
2013-11-08 17:08 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
2013-11-08 17:09 * DocScrutinizer05 likes to blame Argentinian usual Friday brownout
2013-11-08 17:10 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe it was *you* who insulted him with your question?
2013-11-08 17:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
2013-11-08 17:10 <kyak> DocScrutinizer05: site mentiones that one can disable GSM modem from software, to really make sure you are not being spyied. Does it mean that you also have control over what's inside modem?
2013-11-08 17:10 * kyak suddenly changed the topic :)
2013-11-08 17:11 <DocScrutinizer05> no, but we have quite good indications that there's no micro-plutonum-battery inside our modem module, and that TX doesn't work without power
2013-11-08 17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> and when the modem is off, it's off. It's hard to come up with a story how it a) could magically self-summon and b) do so without linux noticing such odd behaviour
2013-11-08 17:14 <DocScrutinizer05> plus we plan to make sure that the linux system definitely gets to know when modem starts TX
2013-11-08 17:14 <kyak> ok..
2013-11-08 17:14 <kyak> do you plan to go through any kind of certification?
2013-11-08 17:14 <kyak> with this device
2013-11-08 17:14 <DocScrutinizer05> plus we have a way to disable the GPS antenna
2013-11-08 17:14 <DocScrutinizer05> CE, and modem is precertified
2013-11-08 17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> so it's not entirely illegal ;-)
2013-11-08 17:15 <kyak> ok, at least it will not fry anyone's brains :)
2013-11-08 17:17 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, it should be pretty fine with CE and modem calibrated and certified
2013-11-08 17:17 <DocScrutinizer05> networks will only be able to tell from IMEI that it's not a "regular" consumer device
2013-11-08 17:19 <kyak> what does it mean?
2013-11-08 17:20 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe such parameters like SWR or sensitivity are not 100% in line with what a carrier cert would require, so in the end AT&T might not "allow" the phone on their network (afaik AT&T is the only carrier that is that strict with requiring a special cert of all mobile devices used on their networks)
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2013-11-08 17:21 <DocScrutinizer05> but I bet they don't care as long as you don't tell them the build and brand of the phone you want to use that SIM with that you just are going to purchase
2013-11-08 17:21 <kyak> they definitely don't care in Russia.. There is a shitload of chinese 3G USB modems and nobody cares
2013-11-08 17:22 <DocScrutinizer05> sure thing :-)
2013-11-08 17:22 <kyak> so it will present itself as just one of those unknown devices?
2013-11-08 17:22 <kyak> do phone manufacturers have IMEI ranges assigned to them?
2013-11-08 17:23 <DocScrutinizer05> e.g. Korea (iirc) doesn't allow any "foreign" devices in their network, you need to register IMEI of each device you want to use on their networks and changing IMEI is a real crime there
2013-11-08 17:23 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
2013-11-08 17:23 <DocScrutinizer05> and yes
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2013-11-08 18:27 <wpwrak> grmbl. link dropped.
2013-11-08 18:27 <wpwrak> kyak: got my hands full with anelok :)
2013-11-08 18:27 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: oh, and what EDA suite will you use for the schematics ?
2013-11-08 18:28 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea
2013-11-08 18:28 <DocScrutinizer05> so far Nikolaus refused to hand out any schematics project files to anybody
2013-11-08 18:29 <DocScrutinizer05> so worst case I will use whatever I like and it's nikolaus' problem to copy whatever I come up with
2013-11-08 18:29 <wpwrak> oh, he released no schematics ? that's weird
2013-11-08 18:29 <DocScrutinizer05> but we haven't talked about that topic recently
2013-11-08 18:30 <DocScrutinizer05> no project files
2013-11-08 18:30 <DocScrutinizer05> you're free to guess what EDA used by looking at the schem pdf
2013-11-08 18:30 <DocScrutinizer05> kinda looks like eagle to me
2013-11-08 18:31 <DocScrutinizer05> but not sure about it
2013-11-08 18:31 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway the schematics are not exactly my style, particularly the wired gnd
2013-11-08 18:32 <DocScrutinizer05> makes my head explode
2013-11-08 18:32 <wpwrak> heh :)
2013-11-08 18:32 <wpwrak> i also see a lot of things drawn on top of each other
2013-11-08 18:32 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm?
2013-11-08 18:33 <wpwrak> e.g., page 6 of http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/get/GTA04.sch.pdf
2013-11-08 18:33 <wpwrak> the descriptions of the caps on the left overlap
2013-11-08 18:33 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, the labels, yeah
2013-11-08 18:34 <wpwrak> yes, and the labels (the arrow boxes) get even worse
2013-11-08 18:35 <DocScrutinizer05> if the project files were available, I had cleaned that up some 2 years ago already
2013-11-08 18:35 <wpwrak> yeah, it's eagle. says so in the PDF.
2013-11-08 18:35 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm, thought as much
2013-11-08 18:35 <DocScrutinizer05> know my eagle ;-P
2013-11-08 18:36 <DocScrutinizer05> always looks like XXX
2013-11-08 18:36 <wpwrak> page 11, the resistor on top, R1107, that's an interesting trace below it :)
2013-11-08 18:37 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
2013-11-08 18:37 <DocScrutinizer05> wired GND, toldya
2013-11-08 18:38 <wpwrak> wired and weird :)
2013-11-08 18:43 <wpwrak> (certifications) i wonder if you shouldn't sell the thing as a kit. that often lets you dodge ugly regulations that would apply to ordinary consumer products.
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2013-11-08 19:40 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: you passed EUR 2^15 :)
2013-11-08 19:40 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/
2013-11-08 19:41 <DocScrutinizer05> (cert) Nikolaus evaluated that issue, I won't redo that
2013-11-08 19:41 <DocScrutinizer05> seems GolDeliCo got it sorted for GTA04
2013-11-08 19:41 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway he mentioned we need CE
2013-11-08 19:42 <DocScrutinizer05> but that's it
2013-11-08 19:47 <wpwrak> no crazy things like timbuktu requiring a written instructions in whatever they speak in timbuktu ? :) (like the thing that happened to the pebble in germany)
2013-11-08 19:53 <larsc> Koyrao Chiini
2013-11-08 19:57 <wpwrak> yeah :) and let's not forget the "no power supplies to argentina" rule. actually, what does the n900 use ? some barrel, usb, or proprietary ?
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2013-11-08 22:27 <ysionnea1> is qi-hardware git having issues? I cannot clone wernermisc.git
2013-11-08 22:27 <ysionnea1> it timesout
2013-11-08 22:28 <pcercuei> it does that from time to time
2013-11-08 22:29 <ysionnea1> I guess I should call it a day :)
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2013-11-08 22:33 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: cameo/zstack.pl: use the entire number for (x, y, z0) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/ff5b4a1
2013-11-08 22:33 <wpwrak> works for me :)
2013-11-08 22:35 <ysionneau> fatal: unable to connect to projects.qi-hardware.com:
2013-11-08 22:35 <ysionneau> projects.qi-hardware.com[0: 88.198.75.224]: errno=Operation timed out
2013-11-08 22:36 <ysionneau> says that to me
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2013-11-08 22:47 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: using N900 case we're pretty much limited to USB (and inductive charging if user wants to do hw mod)
2013-11-08 22:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I'll provide a howto for creating gld plated contacts on backsice for a cradle with charger pogopins though
2013-11-08 22:49 <DocScrutinizer05> gold* & backside*
2013-11-08 22:50 <DocScrutinizer05> on my todo list for N900 since long time, but awkward due to missing convenient contacts to the charging circuitry. For Neo900 we will make sure it's easy to retrofit
2013-11-08 22:51 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly since IIRC TPS65950 has dual-power support
2013-11-08 22:51 <DocScrutinizer05> so we wouldn't even need to mess with primary charging via USB
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2013-11-08 23:18 <wpwrak> oh, usb charging is great. i love it. worldwide standard, easy to find chargers (even if they're called "pcs"), you just need a bit of patience