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2013-10-17 08:54 !seen wolfspraul 2013-10-17 08:54 kyak, wolfspraul (~wolfsprau@wsip-174-79-250-235.sd.sd.cox.net) was last seen quitting #qi-hardware 5 hours 58 minutes ago (17.10. 02:55) stating "Quit: leaving" after spending 6 hours 54 minutes there. 2013-10-17 08:54 kyak: oh, great :) 2013-10-17 08:55 nickoe: unfortunately, "hang" is the best word to describe him being here -\ 2013-10-17 08:55 kyak: ok 2013-10-17 08:56 Are all of you actively doing qi-hardware dev (except wolfspraul)? 2013-10-17 09:04 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-10-17 09:06 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 09:07 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-10-17 09:13 i've seen him in person some time ago 2013-10-17 09:13 few weeks. 2013-10-17 09:34 he'd doing some kind of long-term project. one of the kind that takes 18 years till 'release' 2013-10-17 09:42 18 years is very optimisic, usually there are some delays ;) 2013-10-17 09:43 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-10-17 09:44 roh: ohh, well, then I guess he is kind of busy at times. 2013-10-17 09:44 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 11:27 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 11:42 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-10-17 11:51 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 11:53 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 11:54 porchaso0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-10-17 13:35 porchaso0 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 13:36 porchao has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-10-17 14:38 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-10-17 15:02 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-10-17 15:08 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 15:18 dos11 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 15:20 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-10-17 15:22 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 15:24 porchaso0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-10-17 16:35 dos11 is now known as dos1 2013-10-17 16:37 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 17:07 dos1 has quit [Quit: Kabum!] 2013-10-17 17:07 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 19:08 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-10-17 19:11 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 19:46 dos1 has quit [Quit: Kabum!] 2013-10-17 19:55 kilae has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258]] 2013-10-17 21:01 unclouded has quit [Write error: Broken pipe] 2013-10-17 22:03 woakas has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-10-17 22:16 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 22:36 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2013-10-17 22:44 valhalla has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-10-17 22:47 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2013-10-17 23:25 growing chips built by germs on a substrate of dry ice? 2013-10-17 23:26 what's the name of that scifi/horror movie again ? :) 2013-10-17 23:29 ubuntu has an interesting approach to upgrade conflict resolution: if something goes wrong, it rolls back to some semi-updated state. this takes a long time. then you can try to fix the conflict, which usually just takes a few minutes (the original error message if hidden somewhere in thousands of lines of rollback noise, so you won't be able to find that one and have to experiment). 2013-10-17 23:29 then you can try to upgrade again, which again takes virtually forever ... 2013-10-17 23:30 buntkuh, meh 2013-10-17 23:30 steer clear of canonical, all times! 2013-10-17 23:30 (just updating some ancient systems to 13.04 ... not touching just released 13.10 yet. let others find the bugs :) 2013-10-17 23:31 good luck! 13.04 also killed maemo servers 2013-10-17 23:31 well, so far it still doesn't give me too much trouble. it's getting worse, though. you can feel them pushing towards a proprietary environment 2013-10-17 23:31 13.04 works fine for me. it's what i have on my workstation. 2013-10-17 23:32 hm.. why run anything besides lts on servers? 2013-10-17 23:32 yeah, maybe you don't have NFS mounts 2013-10-17 23:32 oh, tons of them 2013-10-17 23:32 i am just updating everything to 12.04 ;) 2013-10-17 23:32 good luck then 2013-10-17 23:32 none of my ubuntu machines are really servers. at least not all of the time. 2013-10-17 23:33 canonical :/ 2013-10-17 23:33 13.04 comes with a "smart improvement" that allows more than 16 groups per user: it simply uses target machine's etc/groups 2013-10-17 23:33 my one full-time server still runs gentoo. of course, completely un-upgradeable by now ... 2013-10-17 23:33 :/ :/ 2013-10-17 23:33 REAL fun! 2013-10-17 23:34 luckily, firewalls didn't change much in the last seven or so years 2013-10-17 23:35 yeah, oldest files in /usr/bin are from august 2006. back then, they still made hardware that lasts ;-) 2013-10-17 23:36 sounds like my dd-wrt 2013-10-17 23:36 Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (07/22/09) mini 2013-10-17 23:36 one of the infested ones ? :) 2013-10-17 23:37 nah, the linksys DR-615 is retired 2013-10-17 23:37 i recently found an plastic router with openwrt from 2003 or so i think 2013-10-17 23:37 err D-link DR-615 2013-10-17 23:37 or 2004? 2013-10-17 23:38 this is a linksys wr54g(ß) 2013-10-17 23:38 (?) 2013-10-17 23:38 it was doing nat on an blue original wrt, jup 2013-10-17 23:38 blue original = wrt54gl? 2013-10-17 23:38 maybe gl 2013-10-17 23:39 but i really started using it on white russian on the white wl500gp lateron 2013-10-17 23:39 g 2013-10-17 23:39 no l back then 2013-10-17 23:39 right 2013-10-17 23:39 well, g = gl pretty much 2013-10-17 23:39 you know those critters have no decent boiler plate 2013-10-17 23:39 and it's a really crappy device :/ 2013-10-17 23:39 broadcom, seriously underpowered also 2013-10-17 23:39 long-lasting :) 2013-10-17 23:39 well 2013-10-17 23:39 wpwrak: rocks last even longer ! 2013-10-17 23:39 got it for free and just works 2013-10-17 23:40 well, if you never want to transmit more than like five megabits 2013-10-17 23:40 it works ;) 2013-10-17 23:40 jup. ugly as hell hw. optical as well as electrical. but solid enough 2013-10-17 23:40 Time: 01:41:40 up 117 days, 18:59, load average: 0.16, 0.04, 0.01 2013-10-17 23:41 then kamikaze on fonera boxes, and the last few years mainly tplink ar71xx stuff 2013-10-17 23:41 i have three categories for technology: 0) the kind i don't care about. 1) the kind i want to play with. 2) the kind i just expect to work. and i really hate it if something from category 2 tries to force its way into category 1. 2013-10-17 23:41 we still have some wl500gp in use. (asus brcm) 2013-10-17 23:42 lol, my router (openwrt attitude adjustment, cheap tplink thingy): 2013-10-17 23:42 03:41:14 up 44 days, 16:34, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.04 2013-10-17 23:42 tops out at 50mbit flatline... while doing iptables and routing with lots of vlans (~12) 2013-10-17 23:42 my notebook: 03:42:01 up 76 days, 3:46, 5 users, load average: 1.19, 1.38, 1.63 2013-10-17 23:42 completely accidental, even 2013-10-17 23:42 but soon it will be a fresh atheros one with gbit and routing >100mbit 2013-10-17 23:42 this thing now just does switch, DHCP, and AP 2013-10-17 23:42 roh: it's really bad if your isp wants l2tp 2013-10-17 23:42 because it does aes in sw 2013-10-17 23:43 whitequark: hehe..its pppoe usually here 2013-10-17 23:43 ooh, and NAT 2013-10-17 23:43 roh: same difference 2013-10-17 23:43 and I guess there it already starts to suck 2013-10-17 23:43 DocScrutinizer05: yes 2013-10-17 23:43 it's about 20mbit/s nat iirc 2013-10-17 23:43 maybe 15 2013-10-17 23:44 well, I got a max 16Mbit downlink 2 up here 2013-10-17 23:44 and this linksys is 2nd level NAT and not exposed to intarnets 2013-10-17 23:45 1st level NAT is a fritzbox at my neighbour's and THAT sucks! 2013-10-17 23:46 you can't even handle the damn SIP-ALG on that shite box 2013-10-17 23:47 since it's in the chain, my SIP clients frequently have connection issues which cure when getting a new DHCP lease 2013-10-17 23:48 obviously STUNlib and SIP-ALG on fritzbox don't play nice together when a 2nd NAT is between them 2013-10-17 23:49 and for the life of mine I can't get SIP-ALG on the friggin fritzbox disabled 2013-10-17 23:51 a PITA when you don't have either physical access or a IPMI console to a device. You become reluctant to flash new bios/firmware and the like 2013-10-17 23:53 and on this particular model of fritzbox it's really hard to get any telnet or ssh into the thing 2013-10-17 23:53 sucks 2013-10-17 23:54 I'm honestly planning to replace that crap by a panasonic CF-25 2013-10-17 23:55 the CF-25 at least has a decent handle to smash it against the wall 2013-10-17 23:55 (poor wall!)