2013-09-09 00:59 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-09-09 01:13 http://www.thelocal.es/20130908/catalans-gear-up-for-400km-human-chain 2013-09-09 01:23 gbraad has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-09-09 01:49 Aceface has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 01:51 compcube has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-09-09 01:52 can someone please help me with this pos atheros ar9485 wireless bug, it is driving me insane 2013-09-09 02:19 gbraad has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 02:19 gbraad has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 02:59 xiangfu has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-09-09 03:02 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 03:31 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-09-09 03:36 viric has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-09-09 03:37 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 04:14 gbraad has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-09-09 04:15 gbraad has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 04:15 gbraad has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 04:21 gbraad has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-09-09 04:23 gbraad has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 04:23 gbraad has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 04:28 gbraad has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-09-09 04:28 gbraad has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 04:54 gbraad has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-09-09 04:56 gbraad has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 04:57 unclouded has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-09-09 05:11 unclouded has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 05:19 gbraad has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-09-09 05:24 gbraad has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 05:28 viric has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-09-09 05:29 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 05:56 viric has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-09-09 05:56 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 06:11 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 06:58 Aceface has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-09-09 07:08 Aceface has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 07:25 Aceface has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-09-09 07:30 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 08:04 kyak_ is now known as kyak 2013-09-09 08:04 kyak has quit [Changing host] 2013-09-09 08:04 kyak has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 08:15 FDCX_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 08:20 FDCX_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-09-09 08:35 FDCX_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 09:24 Aceface has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 09:47 FDCX_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-09-09 10:11 viric has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-09-09 10:13 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 11:09 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 11:48 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 12:09 Textmode has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2013-09-09 12:23 rz2k has quit [] 2013-09-09 12:36 Aceface has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-09-09 14:10 pcercuei has quit [Quit: bbl] 2013-09-09 14:43 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-09-09 14:44 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 15:07 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 15:10 Ayla is now known as pcercuei 2013-09-09 15:24 DocScrutinizer05: btw, does the GTA04 design have some issues that may be a problem if inherited by Neo900 ? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2013-September/068921.html 2013-09-09 15:29 wpwrak: yep 2013-09-09 15:30 one problem I suspect is with suspend-to-ram which is not a sensible mode for OMAP 2013-09-09 15:31 the problem with modem as well as any power consumption issues may well be caused by improper implementation of this suspend state 2013-09-09 15:32 one of the reasons to port maemo fremantle 2013-09-09 15:32 it's known to provide proper power management on this platform 2013-09-09 15:33 largely reduced number of kernel device drivers to check since they are "new" 2013-09-09 15:34 suspend to ram also might have real hw problems, e.g with dangling/floating lines 2013-09-09 15:34 OMAP isn't meant to suspend to RAM, it suspends in situ in the static CPU registers 2013-09-09 15:36 the whole suspend concept been a botch born from a pinch OM been in, between available SoCs and the availablitiy of zero-clock on those 2013-09-09 15:39 so OMAP's standby is inefficient ... because you can't shut down the power rails ? 2013-09-09 15:39 floating lines sound more like a sw problem than hw. well, if they only float in "static"standby :) 2013-09-09 15:40 anyway http://privatepaste.com/42eb06c8fe 2013-09-09 15:40 i suppose you already searches for pull-ups and pull-downs ? 2013-09-09 15:40 this is with wlan and IRC active! 2013-09-09 15:40 N900 2013-09-09 15:41 nice :) 2013-09-09 15:44 do that with suspend-to-ram! 2013-09-09 15:44 ;-P 2013-09-09 15:44 NB the device yells as soon as my name gets highlighted on IRC 2013-09-09 15:46 with GTA02 and even usual distros on GTA04 you have a hard time getting 10h standby in this situation 2013-09-09 15:46 ooh, I forgot: of course GSM modem onine as well 2013-09-09 15:47 OMAP is particularly inefficient when USB fsckng mentorgraphics musb-core gets involved 2013-09-09 15:48 ther are at least 3 power domains you need to take care about: CPU<->musb bus, musb-core itself, musb <-ULPI-> PHY 2013-09-09 15:49 the whole crap eats 60mA just for being activated 2013-09-09 15:49 and I guess when you mess up with deactivation, some data lines might float in undefined states 2013-09-09 15:50 somebody did statistics and found a very strange 2mA granularity of suspend-to-RAM quiescent current 2013-09-09 15:51 I guess 2mA for each data line that happens to be 1 (or 0) while other end is suspended, or sth like that 2013-09-09 15:52 you recall similar problem with GTA02 display driver? deactivating video data and the video bus ate some 30mA worst case 2013-09-09 15:53 depending on last pixel that been pending to get transfered to LCD 2013-09-09 15:53 only cloudy memories here, but we definitely had sth like that 2013-09-09 15:56 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 15:58 the GTA04 shouldn't eat more than ~10mA without any powerhogs like LEDs and TX and amps enabled. The OS guys need to check that first 2013-09-09 16:01 unless we reach proper power consumption in idle, we don't even need to look at suspend at all 2013-09-09 16:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption 2013-09-09 16:02 naw, don't remember that. we may have had GPIOs that weren't being driven properly, though. but that's just a sw fix. 2013-09-09 16:28 wpwrak: anyway if you're interested: http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/downloads/48/ schematics 2013-09-09 16:37 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 17:52 FDCX_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 18:40 Aceface has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 19:11 FDCX_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-09-09 19:15 Aceface has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-09-09 20:18 biot has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 2013-09-09 20:19 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2013-09-09 20:23 biot has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 20:41 kilae has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 23.0.1/20130814063812]] 2013-09-09 20:41 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 20:54 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 21:31 Aceface has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 22:10 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 22:26 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-09-09 22:57 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-09-09 23:06 Aceface has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-09-09 23:30 xiangfu has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-09-09 23:45 wej has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-09-09 23:49 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-09-09 23:58 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]