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2013-09-08 00:23 <kristianpaul> :-)
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2013-09-08 12:56 <gradient> hello. I have a monitor with audio output jack. But he doesn't work. Can anyone advice me how to get it work?
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2013-09-08 13:10 <wpwrak> most likely, the jack is miffed because he called her "a he" ...
2013-09-08 13:12 <roh> he werner *g*
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2013-09-08 15:05 <DocScrutinizer05> http://neo900.org/
2013-09-08 15:16 <roh> DocScrutinizer05: hrhrhr
2013-09-08 15:17 * DocScrutinizer05 smiles
2013-09-08 15:18 <roh> was the n900 was the one with or without keyboard?
2013-09-08 15:19 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, dos1 used a photo where no kbd shown. Silly
2013-09-08 15:19 <DocScrutinizer05> N900 has qwerty
2013-09-08 15:24 <roh> heh
2013-09-08 15:25 <wpwrak> nice !
2013-09-08 15:30 <mth> N9 is the one without a keyboard
2013-09-08 15:30 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, the coffin
2013-09-08 15:31 <DocScrutinizer05> piece of junk
2013-09-08 15:38 <wpwrak> planted a bit of advertizing :) http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Re-Offene-Handy-Betriebssysteme-offene-Firmware-offene-Hardware/forum-264810/msg-24074134/read/
2013-09-08 15:38 <DocScrutinizer05> with a perverted "linux" that implements tivoization on a whole new previously unseen level, via "aegis"
2013-09-08 15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: AWESOME!
2013-09-08 15:39 <wpwrak> thanks, NSA ;-)
2013-09-08 15:40 <wpwrak> it all of a sudden got really easy to explain the benefits of open source software/hardware to people ;-)
2013-09-08 15:47 <larsc> nobody uses it, so the nsa doesn't target it ;)
2013-09-08 15:48 <whitequark> http://goto.ucsd.edu/quark/
2013-09-08 15:48 <whitequark> a formally verified browser kernel.
2013-09-08 15:49 <wpwrak> btw, the openphoenux logo looks a lot like a satellite dish. took me a while to realize it was a bird.
2013-09-08 15:51 <cde> wpwrak: imo the real issue with openmoko is the closed source nature of many components (baseband, gpu, dsp etc.)
2013-09-08 15:53 <wpwrak> well, openmoko tried to avoid them to the largest extent possible, and compartmentalized those one can't avoid.
2013-09-08 15:55 <wpwrak> and there were no closed drivers/libraries on gta02. (gta01 has a closed lib for the gps chip. we didn't catch that one in time.)
2013-09-08 15:59 <cde> btw the Replicant guys have done some nice work on Samsung hw. I tried it a couple months ago, it was very usable
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2013-09-08 17:49 <roh> DocScrutinizer05: i just was asked: why N900 and not N950?
2013-09-08 17:49 <DocScrutinizer05> because N950 cases nowhere
2013-09-08 17:50 <DocScrutinizer05> btw the N950 kbd is awfull
2013-09-08 17:50 <DocScrutinizer05> basically as bad a the Eten M800
2013-09-08 17:51 <DocScrutinizer05> keys are hardly distinguishable from their neighbours
2013-09-08 17:52 <DocScrutinizer05> access to kbd (the flip-up), though looking cute and in the end resulting in a nice angle between kbd and screen, is annoyingly clumsy
2013-09-08 17:53 <DocScrutinizer05> nobody using N950 ever said the kbd was better than N900
2013-09-08 17:53 <DocScrutinizer05> despite larger
2013-09-08 17:53 <DocScrutinizer05> (4 instead of 3 rows)
2013-09-08 17:54 <DocScrutinizer05> but the answer is: there are no spare parts for N950. Zilch. Nada
2013-09-08 17:55 <DocScrutinizer05> not even at Nokia
2013-09-08 18:03 <DocScrutinizer05> of course N950 case would have a massive selling point just for the mere idiocy of N950-original prices at ebay. up to 2000EUR
2013-09-08 18:03 <DocScrutinizer05> but that's more of an idea how to make money from weirdos
2013-09-08 18:04 <wpwrak> nice :) should have bought a countainer full of them
2013-09-08 18:04 <DocScrutinizer05> and it's unclear if those weirdos who buy N950 for 2k bucks are really interested in a look-alike made by Not-Nokia
2013-09-08 18:05 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: that's the point, you never been able to do that
2013-09-08 18:05 <DocScrutinizer05> there are ~2..5k N950 out in the wild
2013-09-08 18:06 <DocScrutinizer05> you either needed to be maemo-developer and apply with a N9 project you need a devel-dev for, or you needed to be commercial developer registered at Nokia
2013-09-08 18:07 <wpwrak> ah, i see. or work at the factory and be good friends with the security guards ;-)
2013-09-08 18:07 <DocScrutinizer05> either case you were not allowed to sell the device for iirc 2 years at least
2013-09-08 18:08 <wpwrak> well, it just accumulates value :)
2013-09-08 18:08 <DocScrutinizer05> I think a few (5?) were trophy of harmattan coding contest
2013-09-08 18:09 <DocScrutinizer05> a frightening number of devices developed display defects, probably caused by the mechanics for this clumsy flip-up pushing the LCD from behind
2013-09-08 18:11 <DocScrutinizer05> an absolutely amazing alliteration
2013-09-08 18:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
2013-09-08 18:12 <DocScrutinizer05> roh: anything else you were asked? :-) I'm happy to answer
2013-09-08 18:14 <wpwrak> what was the mechanical problem ? plastic not strong enough ?
2013-09-08 18:24 <roh> DocScrutinizer05: nope :)
2013-09-08 18:25 <roh> proper founded answer... relayed it back.
2013-09-08 18:25 <roh> write both the question and the answer in a faq ;)
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2013-09-08 18:28 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: the hinge has two tiny spots where it supports the display, at 1/3 and 2/3 of display width and halfway of the height. those will push backside of LCD and cause defects
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2013-09-08 18:31 <DocScrutinizer05>       http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20130908_001.jpg
2013-09-08 18:32 <wpwrak> so the hinges break ?
2013-09-08 18:34 <roh> nope. just the flex of the mechanics is too big to distribute the load properly
2013-09-08 18:34 <roh> so the lcm gets flex/pressurepoints from the back and thus fails at some point
2013-09-08 18:35 <roh> ive seen that defect on a n950 too, but thought it was less common
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2013-09-08 19:28 <wpwrak> oh dear. that's an unfortunate one. just adding a little metal plate would avoid that ...
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