2013-08-29 00:56 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-29 01:05 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-29 01:12 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-29 01:32 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-29 02:15 rz2k has quit [] 2013-08-29 02:46 wpwrak: ping 2013-08-29 02:47 well actually everybody here. Look at 2013-08-29 02:47 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 2013-08-29 02:48 If you're interested to contribute resp participate, just ping me 2013-08-29 02:49 there's interesting stuff to do both on the hardware side and on the kernel/system side 2013-08-29 02:54 we'll see if this might fly or not. after 4 days we have reached ~10% of the required 200 "preorders" at our estimated sweetspot of 700EUR, and >75% of those 200 preorders at lower pricetag, which might change on either end, production price or what customers are finally willing to pay 2013-08-29 03:00 mth has quit [] 2013-08-29 03:11 DocScrutinizer05: oh this is very interesting 2013-08-29 03:13 mth has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-29 03:30 :-) 2013-08-29 03:35 DocScrutinizer05: I'm really disappoited in Android lately (you were right! why did I doubt that), so might as well try to migrate to maemo 2013-08-29 03:36 or, hm, will it run that tizen/jolla/whatever thing which seems to *finally* begin to surface? 2013-08-29 03:37 sailfish? 2013-08-29 03:37 screw me if I know. was there another rename? 2013-08-29 03:37 should probably work 2013-08-29 03:37 the comapny and device is jolla. The OS is sailfish 2013-08-29 03:37 ah I see. 2013-08-29 03:38 or Nemo 2013-08-29 03:38 do you think sailfish is routinely usable? 2013-08-29 03:38 nfc 2013-08-29 03:38 and maemo? phone, GPS, SIP, browser... that's all I need 2013-08-29 03:38 prolly not my fav stuff. Wayland :-/ 2013-08-29 03:39 well, all that works but is closed 2013-08-29 03:39 browser only the UI is closed, the rendering machine begind is FOSS 2013-08-29 03:39 wait, in maemo? closed-source browser? wtf 2013-08-29 03:40 or in sailfish? 2013-08-29 03:40 SIP is based on FOSS telepathy sofiasip plus closed dialer 2013-08-29 03:40 whitequark: there are alternatives for browsers 2013-08-29 03:41 in android I at least have AOSP :/ 2013-08-29 03:41 this is weird 2013-08-29 03:41 you can run firefox, or the slower(!) mobile variant, then there's opera, and also a few others I heard 2013-08-29 03:41 some I know from GTA02 still 2013-08-29 03:42 GPS well, there are lots of apps *using* GPS, it's via a closed liblocation.so 2013-08-29 03:43 the apps however are all FOSS 2013-08-29 03:43 phone is again dialer. closed 2013-08-29 03:44 I see 2013-08-29 03:44 thanks for the info; I'll definitely look at it closer 2013-08-29 03:44 there are open alternatives, since in the end you just send a dbus msg to some (closed) daemon to establish the call 2013-08-29 03:44 there's even AT interface called pnatd 2013-08-29 03:45 used for BT-tethering and USB 2013-08-29 03:46 sailfish guy moaned "I wish maemo's ICD2 (internet connection daemon) was FOSS! it's waaaay better than all this networkmanager and whatnot crap" 2013-08-29 03:47 the problem with maemo is: it doesn't have a bright future (so far. I hope we will change that ;-P ) 2013-08-29 03:48 yeah, that's why I'm cautious with it 2013-08-29 03:48 to be honest I'm surprised jolla survived and delivered anything 2013-08-29 03:48 it's really old and rock solid 2013-08-29 03:48 but it's probably good they did 2013-08-29 03:49 well, did they deliver anything? apart from some first preview of their sailfish OS 2013-08-29 03:49 well, that's at least a bunch of working code :) 2013-08-29 03:50 maybe, haven't looked at it so far 2013-08-29 03:53 anyway maemo is a proper linux. Android is not, definitely. And sailfish in my book isn't either, with their wayland crap. I know X11 / wayland is unrelated to "real linux", but hey... 2013-08-29 03:54 basically maemo is a proper debian 2013-08-29 03:55 sailfish, though they claim they use *only* mainline and FOSS stuff, is kinda yuck 2013-08-29 03:55 eh, lack of X11 on my phone is definitely encouraging 2013-08-29 03:55 (though I agree with the rest of your point about proper linux) 2013-08-29 03:56 sailfish even goes systemd :-o 2013-08-29 03:56 wait, did I ever say sailfish was good? erase that 2013-08-29 03:56 prolly married with Qtm 2013-08-29 03:56 ;-P 2013-08-29 03:56 and of course PA 2013-08-29 03:57 full poettering. 2013-08-29 03:57 :/ 2013-08-29 03:58 time for breakfast and then a nap 2013-08-29 03:59 o/ 2013-08-29 03:59 \o 2013-08-29 04:06 neat. finally dumping the GTA0[12] case :) 2013-08-29 04:13 i guess the hard part will be to make the first ten units. once you have these, you're ready for kickstarter & co. 2013-08-29 04:14 perhaps there is not enough hipsters on the project for it to succeed on kickstarter 2013-08-29 04:15 if it doesn't take too long for the prototypes to arrive, they can ride the wave of "alternative" phones 2013-08-29 04:15 that should provide a nice boost, even outside the old communities 2013-08-29 04:15 wpwrak: do you think there will be such a wave? 2013-08-29 04:16 also, it should be easy to emphasize anti-spying features. like the transistor the openmoko phones had between battery and GSM :) 2013-08-29 04:17 (wave) some of the projects seem to be doing well. there appears to be a good amount of interest in the firefox os phones, for example 2013-08-29 04:17 hmm. 2013-08-29 04:18 I'm not sure if firefox os counts as "alternative" 2013-08-29 04:18 well, the phones, at least 2013-08-29 04:18 they're kinda halfway where one would want them to be :) 2013-08-29 04:19 exactly 2013-08-29 04:19 and, ew, javascript. 2013-08-29 04:22 finding a reliable source for n900 cases may be crucial 2013-08-29 04:23 and estimates of how long until that source may dry up. they all eventually do. if someone still has the ability to make new n900 cases, that would be very beneficial. 2013-08-29 04:30 form factor seems quite reasonable, also compared with today's phones 2013-08-29 04:31 well, especially with today's, if we consider that they're happily going towards phablets ... the choice of generation XXL ... 2013-08-29 04:37 hm.. i dont know about you, but i tend not to need a new phone before a new computer and the problems get similar. 2013-08-29 04:49 you buy them in matching pairs ? 2013-08-29 04:55 I'd happily picked N810 formfactor and case, if a) they were available at all, and b) not so much metal in the case (makes RF a nightmare) 2013-08-29 04:56 N900 cases are available in original black, gray, white, even gold. I think those Chinese are pretty good in prducing small series of plastic objects 2013-08-29 04:58 what *might* get nasty are things like digitizer, flex circuit board (with frontcam and ALS and proximity), LCD, GSP et al antennae... 2013-08-29 04:58 speakers 2013-08-29 04:58 camera already is a nightmare 2013-08-29 04:58 yeah, there are a lot of little critters in such a phone :) 2013-08-29 04:59 I'm not planning for more than maybe 1000 maximum 2013-08-29 04:59 even 1000 would already be a dream 2013-08-29 05:00 if you reach 1000, you're also in a better position to plan a larger batch, be it with the same design or something new 2013-08-29 05:00 cases are probably last thing to run out of stock 2013-08-29 05:00 exactly 2013-08-29 05:01 now pondering a crowdfunding for the prototypes 2013-08-29 05:03 some venture capital spirit thing 2013-08-29 05:03 pay 10bucks, get a voucher worth 15. IF we EVER finish the development 2013-08-29 05:05 heh :) 2013-08-29 05:05 you know, hw development. You always can run into a buzzbug or worse, even last minute. And when you find out about that SiErr late in development, you're screwed 2013-08-29 05:05 that's the crux with crowdfunding - it's difficult to use for prototype development 2013-08-29 05:06 well, especially kickstarter. others, e.g., indiegogo, are more flexible 2013-08-29 05:06 luckily we have the "devel board" already 2013-08-29 05:07 one "nice" problem: we need eMMC but seems we have the interface already eaten by WLAN 2013-08-29 05:07 deja-vu 2013-08-29 05:08 otoh in times of 64GB uSD maybe you can forget about eMMC 2013-08-29 05:09 but then next issue kicks in: PoP MCP are only available with 1GB NAND and max 512MB RAM. Users want(!) 1GB RAM 2013-08-29 05:10 my alternative proposal: 512MB true RAM plus fast RAMbased "storage" for swap 2013-08-29 05:10 would think MMC controller might get abused for that 2013-08-29 05:12 Nikolaus pondered findin a 1GB RAM-only PoP, ditching the NAND completely 2013-08-29 05:12 but then, we boot from... errr the only uSD that's available in device?. Not amused 2013-08-29 05:13 friggin WLAN! 2013-08-29 05:18 only two uSD controllers in the CPU ? that sucks 2013-08-29 05:19 maybe bit-banging MMC would be acceptably fast 2013-08-29 05:19 and yes, i'd boot from uSD. but i think you'd expect me to say that ;-) 2013-08-29 05:22 I want an OS that's still there when I swap the uSD 2013-08-29 05:22 otherwise I could rather use eMMC. Faster 2013-08-29 05:24 i mean two uSD: one "system" (normally stays in place) and one "user" (whatever use pattern the user likes) 2013-08-29 05:24 on GTA02 uSD been basically useles to swap, since you had no use for huge amounts of data on that device. On N900 I could actually watch movies, and I might take hundreds of them with me on several uSD 2013-08-29 05:25 btw I already did that: watch movies on TV, linked to N900 via AV 2013-08-29 05:26 absolutely convenient mini VDR 2013-08-29 05:26 well player 2013-08-29 05:28 the gta02 uSD is also pretty difficult to access 2013-08-29 05:31 wpwrak: not matching pairs.. but my notebook is from 2008... 2013-08-29 05:32 wpwrak: the phone will easily do another 5 years or so i hope.. and i dont want a n900-like crap. 2013-08-29 05:32 roh: has the hockey puck format grown on you ;-) 2013-08-29 05:32 wpwrak: but seen from a 'i still want to own my hardware' point i would rather focus on a notebook than something useless and superflous like a phone. 2013-08-29 05:33 wpwrak: smartphones are waste of time. 2013-08-29 05:33 bad runtime, bad formfactor (bad for the eyes, too small for the fingers, slow usablity) 2013-08-29 05:33 roh, always a reliable source for balanced, unbiased views :) 2013-08-29 05:34 if you really do business you dont hipster around like a kid on steroids. you LET people do phoning. 2013-08-29 05:34 you LET people call your assistant.. etc. you for sure dont try to google while in a conference call.. 2013-08-29 05:35 perhaps top-notch CEOs like you don't. us mere mortals, though ... 2013-08-29 05:35 also.. have you ever seen somebody do real work on a tablet or phone? not me. they all use a notebook or fatter computer. why? because for serious work one needs space. in pixels as in power. not half-baked 1ghz arm thingies which are barely good for p0rn 2013-08-29 05:36 wpwrak: ive not seen ANYBODY doing real work on a phone or tablet. they ALL have real computers to do that. 2013-08-29 05:36 dont let yourself be distracted by a magicians joke 2013-08-29 05:37 maybe they use their smartphones a lot. but thats not where productivity comes from. 2013-08-29 05:37 maybe they are a good add-on. but replacing real machines? no. not in sight 2013-08-29 05:37 depends on what you call "real work". for some things, a smartphone can be convenient. depends on the situation and the task. 2013-08-29 05:38 and as long as there is the danger of not getting proper ones anymore at all... i rather focus on what i need instead of 'candy' 2013-08-29 05:38 naw, they're certainly no laptop replacements. that's the ubuntu edge nonsense :) 2013-08-29 05:38 convenient is not practical. 2013-08-29 05:38 wpwrak: ever tried reading mail on a grown ups imap with a smartphone? 2013-08-29 05:38 wpwrak: not possible 2013-08-29 05:38 convenient = you don't have to send an sms to a friend asking to do something on their pc/laptop for you 2013-08-29 05:39 wpwrak: even the ubuntu edge will not replace. much too cheap hardware. 2013-08-29 05:39 wpwrak: maybe it would help removing all the euphemisms and marketing crap from the discussion ;) 2013-08-29 05:39 i've read mail on vt102 terminals. i think a smartphone can keep up with that :) 2013-08-29 05:39 I e.g. read new on my smartphone while e.g. waiting for the bus, I say that it increases my productivity, since the time would otherwise be lost sitting there idle 2013-08-29 05:39 read news 2013-08-29 05:40 larsc: wrong. you only become an workoholic. not more productive. 2013-08-29 05:40 larsc: your own brain fools you there 2013-08-29 05:40 reality is just an illusion ;-) 2013-08-29 05:40 happend to me too. more use of media != more productive. 2013-08-29 05:41 currently i only see a rise in idiots on the streets which get run over 2013-08-29 05:42 why? eyes on the phone, ears with headphones.... why are these stupids not in a cab when their time is as valuable to be used that extreme? 2013-08-29 05:42 in any case, it doesn't matter in the context of this discussion if you agree with how people use their phones. unless there are a few hundred clones of you running around :) 2013-08-29 05:43 wpwrak: its not the point. i dont care what some people do. i care about not being able to shop decent hardware anymore because the hype does harm to the whole industry. 2013-08-29 05:43 did you see any get run over ? so far, i only see them meandering on the sidewalk as if drunk ... 2013-08-29 05:43 wpwrak: yes. 2013-08-29 05:43 kewl :) 2013-08-29 05:43 wpwrak: ive seen people die due to stupid. 2013-08-29 05:43 not worth it. 2013-08-29 05:43 poetic justice :) 2013-08-29 05:43 no. i really felt with the poor cabbie 2013-08-29 05:44 who didnt have a chance to break 2013-08-29 05:44 wpwrak: i think it would help to do judge-dredd-justice with phones. 2013-08-29 05:44 yeah, annoying paperwork, i'm sure 2013-08-29 05:44 get caught while driving -> destroy on spot. 2013-08-29 05:45 phone atleast and maybe impound the car for a month 2013-08-29 05:45 same goes for walking blind stupids 2013-08-29 05:45 wpwrak: have you ever run somebody over? 2013-08-29 05:46 naw, i seem to be a poor hunter 2013-08-29 05:47 i have. and its a shitty feeling, even when the cops tell you its not your fault 2013-08-29 05:47 she luckily didnt die.. still a bad memory. 2013-08-29 05:48 ah, tried the rough pickup ? :) 2013-08-29 05:49 nope.. some girl just jumped in front of my bike at night. basically from the sidewalk onto the street. half a meter further there would have been the car lane 2013-08-29 05:49 in the good old days, ladies would drop their handkerchief, for the gentleman to pick up and thus have an excuse for starting a conversation ... 2013-08-29 05:50 a week before somebody was killed at the same spot... car lane.. cab driver (i wasnt there) 2013-08-29 05:50 ... but i guess jumping in front of bikes kinda works, too 2013-08-29 05:52 bad idea. the next one i'll sue. 2013-08-29 05:56 ayy. i wouldn't use my laptop wor the real work to yell an alrm to wake me up or remind me for a appointment 2013-08-29 05:59 s/wor /for / 2013-08-29 05:59 DocScrutinizer05 meant: "ayy. i wouldn't use my laptop for the real work to yell an alrm to wake me up or remind me for a appointment" 2013-08-29 05:59 ty, qi-bot 2013-08-29 06:00 I also wouldn't use my laptop as mp3-player 2013-08-29 06:00 and for sure I wouldn't use my laptop or fatter computer for taking pictures 2013-08-29 06:01 though a midi-tower for sure would make for a nice inertial mass 2013-08-29 06:04 espeically when used as mp3 player 2013-08-29 06:08 btw larsc, I recall you learning ML 2013-08-29 06:08 did you succeed? 2013-08-29 06:09 using notebook for flashlight might actually work 2013-08-29 06:09 for GPS and navigation, hmmm I doubt 2013-08-29 06:10 but then you could argue navigation doesn't increase your productivity anyway. For sure it doesn't increase your creativity 2013-08-29 06:11 so yeah, probably smartphones ruin our productivity 2013-08-29 06:14 wpwrak: apropos GPS: http://www.gnss-sdr.org/documentation/gnss-sdr-operation-realtek-rtl2832u-usb-dongle-dvb-t-receiver 2013-08-29 06:15 awesome. Also the comparision of the number crunching grunt of a dedicated GPS chip compared to emulation on x86 2013-08-29 06:15 neat :) 2013-08-29 06:16 they need a quadcore @ 2.3GHz to get on par with a sirf or whatever 2013-08-29 06:17 see what custom VLSI can do 2013-08-29 06:17 well, i guess we knew that since first decent graphicscards came up 2013-08-29 06:18 there's nothing as fast as an analog computer 2013-08-29 06:19 well, they probably use a very unoptimized data processing path 2013-08-29 06:19 that too 2013-08-29 06:19 I haven't looked into it in detail, maybe they even use gnuradio(companion?) 2013-08-29 06:20 * DocScrutinizer05 seems to recall to have seen correlator blocks in GRC 2013-08-29 06:21 simple corr, autocorr, PN corr, corr. access code 2013-08-29 06:22 apropos simple 2013-08-29 06:23 DocScrutinizer05: nice link, thanks 2013-08-29 06:24 http://wstaw.org/m/2013/08/29/plasma-desktopRn3743.png 2013-08-29 06:24 simple fm receiver X-P 2013-08-29 06:25 built by the guy who's using the rt2832 dongles for radio astronomy on that nn-meter dish 2013-08-29 06:27 somehow application of these visual programming tools always results in a horrible mess 2013-08-29 06:28 DocScrutinizer05: yeah.. sdr isnt anything which is good for saving power ;) 2013-08-29 06:29 which in turn will confirm their prejudices: if it already looks so bad with those "nice" tools, how horrible would it be as non-intuitive source code ... 2013-08-29 06:29 indeed. Thus I ditched the idea to replace all radios in my new smartphone by two SDR 2013-08-29 06:30 wpwrak: :-D 2013-08-29 06:30 well, I heard it's a stereo FM receiver that actually works 2013-08-29 06:31 I didn't get around to properly start it with all LD_PRELOAD errr python_path= nonsense 2013-08-29 06:36 btw for ALSA the opposite effect kicked in. Nobody groked the alsa config files to set up the processing stack, so they moved on to PukeAudio and finally to gst-pipes since PA couldn't do what they needed to get done 2013-08-29 06:36 plus abominations like ped (policy enforcer daemon) 2013-08-29 06:37 DocScrutinizer05: whom are you talking about? 2013-08-29 06:37 and using audio interfaces for sdr is 'kiddieshit' 2013-08-29 06:37 in first half of my rant: everybody distro maintainers 2013-08-29 06:38 in second half: Nokia 2013-08-29 06:38 suuure, I bet you watch your radio program 2013-08-29 06:38 ;-P 2013-08-29 06:39 only kiddies use their ears for FM broadcast 2013-08-29 06:40 why use sdr for fm? 2013-08-29 06:40 why not? 2013-08-29 06:40 waste of power. quality is shit anyhow 2013-08-29 06:40 or: because I can 2013-08-29 06:41 because you can isnt a reason anymore. its just a bad excuse ;) 2013-08-29 06:41 mhm, and therefore we eliminate audio sink from gnuradio now? 2013-08-29 06:42 * whitequark grabs popcorn 2013-08-29 06:42 i really can see one when it comes to flexibility e.g. ... but using sdr to demod stuff you have hardware demods anyhow is just plain stupid. sorry. 2013-08-29 06:42 sorry, I don't have hardware demod for FM-stereo 2013-08-29 06:42 DocScrutinizer05: sink no. source never made sense to me. 2013-08-29 06:43 * cde likes the name: *simple*_fm_rcv ;) 2013-08-29 06:43 [2013-08-29 08:37:44] and using audio interfaces for sdr is 'kiddieshit' 2013-08-29 06:43 DocScrutinizer05: sure you have. most mobile phone chipsets have that anyhow. 2013-08-29 06:43 DocScrutinizer05: your n900 e.g. should have one. 2013-08-29 06:43 mine doesn't, at least not in a way I'd consider using 2013-08-29 06:44 the antenna plug is weird ;-P 2013-08-29 06:44 well.. atleast you need to heat less in winter listening to radio with sdr 2013-08-29 06:45 I can't find the T-connetor between phone, antenna, and amp line-in 2013-08-29 06:46 also as you just elaborated smartphones reduce productivity 2013-08-29 06:46 so I dom't dare to use it as FM radio 2013-08-29 06:46 DocScrutinizer05: nope. i just elaborated that they do no raise it. major differencre 2013-08-29 06:47 see, with SDR at least my productivity of heat is decent high level 2013-08-29 06:47 ;) 2013-08-29 06:47 dont get me wrong.. i like sdr for research a lot. 2013-08-29 06:47 I like the idea of a universal tool 2013-08-29 06:47 but using it for normal reception is a major energy waste.. small level but that sums up. 2013-08-29 06:48 I never listen FM broadcast. sorry 2013-08-29 06:48 me neither. 2013-08-29 06:48 unclouded has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-29 06:48 I however listened to my homematic, at 866MHz 2013-08-29 06:48 with SDR 2013-08-29 06:48 i'm more interrested in wideband signals.. thus audio in and out usually are of no use in sdr for me 2013-08-29 06:50 and a wideband scanner / spectrum analyzer is rather handy for making sure you got no little tx bugs in your wall or under your desk 2013-08-29 06:50 hehe... i bet that will get more difficult in the future 2013-08-29 06:51 also see http://www.gnss-sdr.org/documentation/gnss-sdr-operation-realtek-rtl2832u-usb-dongle-dvb-t-receiver 2013-08-29 06:52 the guys over at ##rtlsdr are awesome. real cracks 2013-08-29 06:54 nice. i wouldnt have thought the frontend is good enough for that 2013-08-29 06:54 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-29 06:54 impressive.. even when the result is a bit.. well... bad for the amount of work. but still great from a concept pov 2013-08-29 06:54 i mean... from a scientific pov 2013-08-29 06:57 our new sdr platform http://wiki.analog.com/resources/eval/user-guides/ad-fmcomms2-ebz/introduction 2013-08-29 06:59 looks expensive 2013-08-29 07:00 is it regular avail like an usrp or a develboard? 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