2013-08-03 00:04 FrankBlues has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 00:13 woakas has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-03 00:29 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-08-03 00:40 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 00:48 FrankBlues has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-03 01:45 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-03 02:43 wpwrak: http://www.itba.edu.ar/es/capitan-beto-como-participo-el-itba-en-el-primer-nano-satelite-de-la-argentina-que-entro-en-orbita 2013-08-03 02:44 all: https://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack recycling old HDD to make new computers? :] 2013-08-03 03:12 this hack is really awesome :] 2013-08-03 03:31 apelete_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 03:37 apelete has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 04:20 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 04:20 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 05:08 xiangfu has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-08-03 05:19 rz2k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-03 06:22 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 07:27 really, really scary 2013-08-03 07:28 it would've been better if he just booted Linux on HDD, without all that baclkhat stuff 2013-08-03 07:38 better for whom? :) 2013-08-03 07:44 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 07:48 better for my piece of mind 2013-08-03 07:50 ignorance is bliss 2013-08-03 07:54 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 08:19 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 08:34 Jurting_pc2 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 08:36 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-08-03 08:38 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 08:57 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 09:34 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-03 09:52 apelete_ is now known as apelete 2013-08-03 10:51 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-03 10:51 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 11:04 lekernel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-03 11:06 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 11:19 lekernel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-03 11:33 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 12:09 lekernel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-03 12:20 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 12:34 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-03 12:48 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 13:14 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-03 13:16 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 13:48 MistahDarcy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-08-03 13:48 kilae_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 13:48 MistahDarcy has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 13:48 uwe_ has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2013-08-03 13:50 uwe_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 13:52 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 13:54 arossdotme1 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 13:55 kilae has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-03 13:55 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-03 13:56 Mistah_Darcy has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 14:00 MistahDarcy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-03 14:49 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-08-03 15:13 viric has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 15:14 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 15:18 lekernel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-03 15:58 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 16:14 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 16:37 FrankBlues has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 16:42 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-03 18:06 FrankBlues has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 18:42 lol 2013-08-03 18:43 the videa connector is a tad clumsy 2013-08-03 18:43 video even ;-) 2013-08-03 18:45 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to xor all data written to HDD 2013-08-03 18:45 hey doc 2013-08-03 18:45 hi roh 2013-08-03 18:46 xor data (video) to hdd? ive seen that... the key was the manuf string x-) 2013-08-03 18:46 context been the (possibly malware) hacking of HDD firmware 2013-08-03 18:47 the supposed exploitation vector is to trigger the payload by injecting a keystring by whatever means so it gets written to HDD 2013-08-03 18:47 won't happen when I xor all data to and from HDD 2013-08-03 18:48 https://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack 2013-08-03 18:49 no true encryption but good enough for a lot of nonsense attacks, incl this one 2013-08-03 18:50 btw on my boxen such an attack was futile anyway - no password auth allowed on any of them, only ssh key 2013-08-03 18:51 DocScrutinizer05: you could use timing+size then 2013-08-03 18:51 which is way less reliable due to cache effects though 2013-08-03 18:52 but the right thing to do is to sell a HDD fw md5sum'er now 2013-08-03 18:53 or HDDs with cryptographicaly secured fw ;-P 2013-08-03 18:54 heck, a highsec BIOS that does a HDD FW checksum on early boot 2013-08-03 18:54 UEFI must be capable to implement such shite 2013-08-03 18:55 or you simply buy new hw each time you have suspicions that your box got rooted 2013-08-03 18:55 ;-P 2013-08-03 18:55 but it with malware already installed XP 2013-08-03 18:56 several stories about such backdoors in WLAN FW are urban legend 2013-08-03 19:03 btw I wonder if it occurred to that hacker that the m3 core maybe does SMART, thermal management, and a few other "irrelevant" tasks 2013-08-03 19:04 >>The Cortex-M3 handles... nothing? I could stop it and still have all hard disk functions.<< 2013-08-03 19:05 awesome hack nevertheless 2013-08-03 19:07 btw >>The kernel is built for a MMU-less CPU (the disk controller doesn't have one) and only has a driver for the serial port. A MMU-less kernel unfortunately needs a specially formatted bit of userspace too.<< been when I stopped trying to get any reasonable unixoid OS running on my Amiga1000 2013-08-03 19:08 68010 has no MMU 2013-08-03 19:09 hence all the guru mediations :) 2013-08-03 19:09 well, that and all the bugs that tried to write to the wrong addresses 2013-08-03 19:09 when I learned that all binaries of minix were meant to load on same virtual memory addr, I finally resigned 2013-08-03 19:12 several year before I honestly looked into geting SCO(?) unix sources and a free PDP-11 2013-08-03 19:13 they came of 5 tape reels or sth, for only a few 1000 USD 2013-08-03 19:15 btw I had pretty few guru's on my amiga 2013-08-03 19:16 plenty of RAM (some 8 MB or sth), and virually no games 2013-08-03 19:16 and of course a havily cusomized kickstart 2013-08-03 19:26 .oO(thats no computer, its an electric heater which can do some easy calulations on the side) 2013-08-03 19:34 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 19:35 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 19:39 hehe, yep 2013-08-03 19:40 for 1980'ish though it been fine, even when not top notch 2013-08-03 19:40 if you refer to the PDP-11 2013-08-03 19:40 sure.. but maybe we should not build heaters anymore but 'cloud cluster computers' with watercooling ;) 2013-08-03 19:41 the Amiga1000 I'm still sad I lost it 2013-08-03 19:43 hell, that thing cost me a month's salary back when. And RAM another, HDD (50MB) a third 2013-08-03 19:44 and it been worth every penny 2013-08-03 20:01 ffio has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 20:06 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-08-03 20:07 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 20:16 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 20:45 heh, yes, you simply reflash all firmwares that can be reflashed, along with OS clean install :) 2013-08-03 20:54 Jurting_pc2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-08-03 21:22 kilae_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212]] 2013-08-03 21:42 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-08-03 22:11 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 22:11 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-08-03 22:21 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 22:23 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 22:23 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 22:25 lekernel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-08-03 22:38 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 22:46 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 22:57 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 23:02 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 23:02 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 23:18 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 23:24 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 23:26 hellekin: the HD hacking could be useful for sending the spies watching over us something to have fun with 2013-08-03 23:26 hehe 2013-08-03 23:28 damn SATA, the good ol' IDE drives would even have allowed to completely take over the IDE "bus" and thus maybe rewrite the MBR of master drive 2013-08-03 23:29 or the firmware ;-P 2013-08-03 23:29 a friend once receives some malware that corrupted every nth bit written to disk. not sure if this was floppy or hard disk. it was a long time ago. 2013-08-03 23:29 funny 2013-08-03 23:29 "n" was a function of time. the interval got shorter. for several weeks, it wasn't noticeable at all. 2013-08-03 23:30 eeeek 2013-08-03 23:30 but yes, it must have involved floppies. because it also affected backups. 2013-08-03 23:30 no write-verify? 2013-08-03 23:31 it apparently read back fine at the level where this is done 2013-08-03 23:31 long ago there's been a thing called verify-after-write (OWTTE) 2013-08-03 23:31 ooooh 2013-08-03 23:31 in the hdd case, you could use a PRNG, so the bit position is predictable. generate a new seed each time the disk powers up. 2013-08-03 23:32 that way, you could "correct" the bad data when reading back 2013-08-03 23:33 seems like sth similar is already implemented in virtually all modern HDD 2013-08-03 23:34 sth like "BIOS HDD password" 2013-08-03 23:34 yes, but this would be more subtle. you could still use the disk for a long time, with the amount of corrupt data slowly increasing. 2013-08-03 23:35 aaaah, my "rocket" is charged again :-) 2013-08-03 23:35 and any new damage would be completely hidden until you power-cycle. ideal for laptops. 2013-08-03 23:42 as an added benefit, if the algorithm flips bits, you'd have a small number of transient errors that change each time you power-cycle 2013-08-03 23:43 chances are that you'd never figure it out :) 2013-08-03 23:46 http://events.ccc.de/camp/2011/wiki/R0ket 2013-08-03 23:47 ah yes, i've seen that one. cute :) 2013-08-03 23:49 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 23:50 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2013-08-03 23:59 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-08-03 23:59 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware