2013-07-31 00:00 <whitequark> that's way more complex, isn't it?
2013-07-31 00:00 <wpwrak> i could probably make one at home :)
2013-07-31 00:00 <whitequark> that's you
2013-07-31 00:00 <wpwrak> but yes, an stm32f2-based system would be easier to make at home
2013-07-31 00:00 <whitequark> you can do BGA for breakfast :)
2013-07-31 00:00 <wpwrak> naw, i don't do BGA :) that's xiangfu's speciality
2013-07-31 00:01 <whitequark> I mean, I'm pretty sure I do not want to debug glitches in a parallel bus if I can avoid it
2013-07-31 00:01 <whitequark> and laying out SDRAM when you only know how to work with dumb SoCs is just asking for trouble
2013-07-31 00:01 <wpwrak> oh, you try not to have that sort of problems :) if you screw up, you're screwed ...
2013-07-31 00:01 <whitequark> exactly
2013-07-31 00:02 <wpwrak> but this sort of things should still be doable by following design rules. it's not the sort of witchcraft you have with RF.
2013-07-31 00:02 <whitequark> yeah
2013-07-31 00:03 <whitequark> now that I think about it. so do you know decent embedded GUIs for linux?
2013-07-31 00:03 <whitequark> and I mean not GTK, QT or even E17n
2013-07-31 00:03 <whitequark> er, englightenment? forget how it was contracted
2013-07-31 00:03 <whitequark> hm, you can probably build motif.
2013-07-31 00:04 <wpwrak> i use gtk and sdl. gtk for "GUI-y stuff", SDL (with SDL_gfx) if i basically just need a canvas
2013-07-31 00:04 <whitequark> well, SDL abstracts the underlying platform down to a framebuffer :)
2013-07-31 00:04 <wpwrak> there's also some toolkit that sits on top of SDL. looks pretty fancy. lemme see if i can find it ...
2013-07-31 00:04 <whitequark> so you won't need it on stm32 'cause it already has just a framebuffer
2013-07-31 00:05 <wpwrak> http://members.chello.nl/w.boeke/SDL-widgets/
2013-07-31 00:05 <wpwrak> haven't used that yet, though
2013-07-31 00:05 <whitequark> I imagine that would be easily ported to the stm chip.
2013-07-31 00:05 <whitequark> it's even 32-bit, to make things easier.
2013-07-31 00:06 <wpwrak> SDL_gfx also provides some useful primitives. but yes, you could implement them on your own in a week or so
2013-07-31 00:06 <wpwrak> "e" also has a bunch of infrastructure libraries
2013-07-31 00:07 <whitequark> e?
2013-07-31 00:07 <whitequark> did they intentionally make it ungoogleable?
2013-07-31 00:07 <wpwrak> motif was considered an obese monster. so by today's standards, it's probably extremely light-weight ;-)
2013-07-31 00:07 <whitequark> that's what I thought
2013-07-31 00:07 <whitequark> but it needs X
2013-07-31 00:07 <whitequark> and, well
2013-07-31 00:07 <whitequark> nothing needs more X.
2013-07-31 00:08 <wpwrak> e = the enlightenment clan of libraries
2013-07-31 00:08 <whitequark> ah, right
2013-07-31 00:08 <wpwrak> see the stack here: http://www.enlightenment.org/
2013-07-31 00:09 <whitequark> yeah. I imagine it's not easily ported, ie, you'd only want to use that over Linux
2013-07-31 00:09 <whitequark> they do claim that their library works on some quite underpowered devices though
2013-07-31 00:40 <wpwrak> yeah, 200 MHz ... but 16, maybe 8 MB of RAM :)
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2013-07-31 00:49 * whitequark nods
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2013-07-31 17:19 <qi-bot> [commit] Paul Cercueil: Open all available joysticks (packages) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/fcb2618
2013-07-31 17:19 <qi-bot> [commit] Paul Cercueil: Make sure the joystick subsystem is inited before InputManager starts (packages) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/de9b3cd
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