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2013-07-07 15:52 <whitequark> http://www.kosagi.com/w/index.php?title=Novena_Main_Page
2013-07-07 15:53 <whitequark> that actually looks like a project which makes sense
2013-07-07 16:45 <kristianpaul> ah yes from chumby creator
2013-07-07 16:45 <kristianpaul> no?
2013-07-07 16:47 <kristianpaul> looks a bit dense board, where is the soc? :)
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2013-07-07 16:49 <pcercuei> two ethernet sockets for a laptop?
2013-07-07 16:50 <whitequark> it doubles as a router :D
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2013-07-07 17:05 <wpwrak_> a freescale cpu. they seem to be the nicest around.
2013-07-07 17:10 <larsc> a Zynq would probably been a better choice
2013-07-07 17:11 <larsc> ah, ok the freescale is quadcore
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2013-07-07 17:49 <whitequark> wpwrak_: is that sarcasm? :)
2013-07-07 17:56 <wpwrak_> whitequark: do you dislike freescale ?
2013-07-07 18:50 <derRichard> wpwrak_: have you ever worked with a freescale bsp? (e.g porting it to a recent kernel version)
2013-07-07 18:52 <wpwrak_> no. and i'd try to avoid anyone's bsp for that matter :)
2013-07-07 18:52 <wpwrak_> BSP is for bovine sewage programming, isn't it ?
2013-07-07 18:56 <larsc> most of the stuff is upstream now anyway
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2013-07-07 19:00 <wpwrak_> yeah. i poked around a while ago and things look quite friendly in the kernel. sometimes a bit hard to find, but everything i looked for was there.
2013-07-07 19:19 <larsc> I think the imx6 support was even contributed by freescale
2013-07-07 19:22 <wpwrak_> even better. any sort of garbage can get in a vendor's bsp, but try this with the linux kernel and get torn to pieces. tough QA is a good thing to have :)
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2013-07-07 19:24 <larsc> yea, my job would be a lot easier if I could just commit stuff ;)
2013-07-07 19:26 <larsc>  git diff v3.9 --shortstat
2013-07-07 19:26 <larsc>  544 files changed, 128555 insertions(+), 2851 deletions(-)
2013-07-07 19:27 <larsc> that's out 'vendor tree'
2013-07-07 19:28 <larsc> although a major portion of that comes from Xilinx's vendor tree
2013-07-07 19:28 <wpwrak_> seems that you have a bit of cleaning up and submitting to do ;-)
2013-07-07 19:29 <larsc> wpwrak_: my co-worker ;)
2013-07-07 19:29 <wpwrak_> it's good to have minions :)
2013-07-07 19:29 <larsc> well he's my boss
2013-07-07 19:30 <wpwrak_> but he gets to do the janitorial work. seems that you have something similar to a cat-"owner" relationship :)
2013-07-07 19:33 <larsc> well it's his code
2013-07-07 19:34 <whitequark> (cat-"owner") hehe
2013-07-07 19:35 <whitequark> that evokes some strange mental images
2013-07-07 19:35 <whitequark> (freescale) I heard they were not particularly FOSS-friendly
2013-07-07 19:35 <whitequark> but glad to hear that's not the case
2013-07-07 19:35 <wpwrak_> 544 (minus xilinx) files changed by one person. quite productive that man.
2013-07-07 19:37 <wpwrak_> whitequark: from what i hear, they're among the most foss-friendly. lots of people who want a small soc that runs linux pick their i.MX series
2013-07-07 19:37 <larsc> I've heard that Intel has one team which is working on writing drivers and another team working on upstreaming those drivers
2013-07-07 19:37 <wpwrak_> not sure about graphics, though.
2013-07-07 19:37 <whitequark> wpwrak_: well, graphics is a lost cause for practically every vendor
2013-07-07 19:37 <whitequark> isn't it
2013-07-07 19:37 <larsc> which is imo kind of stupid, because those who write the drivers are doomed to repeat their mistakes over and over again
2013-07-07 19:38 <wpwrak_> larsc: there must be tense moments when they meet in the cafeteria :)
2013-07-07 19:38 <wpwrak_> and the others get to introduce their own bugs on the way ...
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2013-07-07 19:39 <wpwrak_> but yes, those who know how to make things submission-clean should rather teach, not fix
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2013-07-07 19:41 <wpwrak_> whitequark: yeah, lots of troublesome stuff. mali seems to partially good, though. but i think their next generation will be closed, too.
2013-07-07 19:41 <whitequark> wpwrak_: I don't think the present one is open?
2013-07-07 19:41 <wpwrak_> that's why i rather enjoy reading about intel's progress with their atoms. intel are generally very nice.
2013-07-07 19:42 <whitequark> from what I understood about mali, mali-200/400 have a particularly sane internal architecture (they exist!), which allowed some folks to reverse-engineer it rather easily
2013-07-07 19:42 <wpwrak_> could be that it's closed-but-reversed, yes.
2013-07-07 19:42 <whitequark> I'm pretty sure it is:) ARM even brought a lawsuit to the Lima group, or tried to
2013-07-07 19:42 <wpwrak_> i never had to get to the bottom of this, so i only have fuzzy knowledge :)
2013-07-07 19:43 <wpwrak_> yeah, arm aren't very open-minded
2013-07-07 19:43 <whitequark> you are being kind to arm
2013-07-07 19:43 <wpwrak_> it's kinda ironic that so many open projects are based on arm
2013-07-07 19:44 <whitequark> well, it's not like FR4 or SMT passive components are open-source either
2013-07-07 19:45 <wpwrak_> yes, but all those things are thoroughly commoditized
2013-07-07 19:46 <larsc> wpwrak_: it's kinda irnoic that ARM sells so many licenses because of open source projects
2013-07-07 19:46 <wpwrak_> yeah :)
2013-07-07 19:47 <larsc> without Linux they probably wouldn't be where they are today
2013-07-07 19:49 <wpwrak_> no linux, no android, well, they may still have apple
2013-07-07 19:49 <larsc> and window phone ;)
2013-07-07 19:49 <wpwrak_> and of course, they'd be just one of many in the embedded market
2013-07-07 19:50 <wpwrak_> you shouldn't mock the dead :)
2013-07-07 19:56 <larsc> well they might be alive in that alternate universe
2013-07-07 19:58 <roh> a soc vendor who sues coders is loony anyhow
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