2013-06-17 00:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Paul Cercueil: Align the links the same way whether or not a scrollbar is present (packages) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/4347c34
2013-06-17 00:56 <qi-bot> [commit] Paul Cercueil: Remove useless clipper (packages) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/a0690ba
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2013-06-17 03:33 <pcercuei> do you guys mind if I switch gmenu2x to use truetype fonts?
2013-06-17 03:35 <pcercuei> I want to use the DejaVuSansCondensed font
2013-06-17 03:35 <pcercuei> quick preview: http://crapouillou.net/~paul/nobackup/DejaVuSansCondensed2.png
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2013-06-17 05:20 <kyak> pcercuei: makes sense, i guess
2013-06-17 05:22 <pcercuei> well the main advantage is that we'll be able to display non-ascii characters ...
2013-06-17 05:24 <kyak> that's right.. As i remember, currently gmenu2x is using some native fonts, right?
2013-06-17 05:25 <pcercuei> the font is loaded from a PNG
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2013-06-17 05:44 <pcercuei> also, it'd be about time that we merge the "packages" branch back into the "master" one ...
2013-06-17 05:44 <pcercuei> I just need to know that it doesn't break anything on your side
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2013-06-17 07:01 <kyak> what's the "packages" branch for?
2013-06-17 07:03 <pcercuei> it makes gmenu2x able to use OPK packages, which is the format we use in OpenDingux
2013-06-17 07:03 <pcercuei> if libopk is found, support for OPKs is enabled, otherwise it's disabled
2013-06-17 07:03 <pcercuei> (at compile time)
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2013-06-17 08:07 <kyak> what does it mean - use opk packages?
2013-06-17 08:07 <kyak> like, being able to install them?
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2013-06-17 14:03 <mth> kyak: OPK is based on squashfs, so packages are mounted when you launch an application, they are not installed
2013-06-17 14:05 <viric> what is opk?
2013-06-17 14:05 <viric> the openwrt packager?
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2013-06-17 16:56 <kyak> mth_: i guess it doesn't apply to openwrt then?
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2013-06-17 18:04 <mth> viric: OPK is the application / package format we use for OpenDingux on the GCW Zero (and on the Dingoo A320 in the future)
2013-06-17 18:05 <mth> kyak: you could build OPK files for use on openwrt, as long as you have squashfs in the kernel
2013-06-17 18:05 <mth> it's a different approach than package management though
2013-06-17 18:05 <mth> we've got a lot of preinstalled libraries in the rootfs
2013-06-17 18:06 <mth> and no dependency mechanism
2013-06-17 18:06 <mth> so every lib you neeed that is not in the rootfs has to be added inside the application package
2013-06-17 18:13 <kyak> mth: ok, i see. I thought you were talking about openwrt's opk
2013-06-17 18:13 <viric> gcw zero? mh
2013-06-17 18:14 <mth> isn't that opkg?
2013-06-17 18:15 <mth> viric: http://www.gcw-zero.com/
2013-06-17 18:20 <kyak> mth: well, the file name end with opk, hence the confusion :)
2013-06-17 18:21 <viric> ah nice thing
2013-06-17 18:22 <viric> I wish I knew all the games there in screenshots
2013-06-17 18:23 <mth> the "media" tab has the game names in it
2013-06-17 18:24 <viric> aha! thank you
2013-06-17 18:25 <viric> mth: can this thing play ogg or mp3 with low power?
2013-06-17 18:25 <viric> I wondered, what open device allows to play mp3 (with loud speakers) without taking much poewr
2013-06-17 18:25 <viric> power
2013-06-17 18:26 <viric> the kickstarter looks like it worked! are you earning money with this project?
2013-06-17 18:27 <viric> lucky those, who do :)
2013-06-17 18:29 <mth> yes, I am being paid, although it's not comparable to a normal software engineer's salary
2013-06-17 18:29 <viric> aha
2013-06-17 18:29 <mth> but it's fun work, all open source and I learn a lot, so for now that is not a problem
2013-06-17 18:29 <viric> well, I imagine so.
2013-06-17 18:29 <viric> But It looks fun
2013-06-17 18:29 <viric> :)
2013-06-17 18:30 <mth> I got about 6 hours of emulator use out of one battery, for music playing the LCD + backlight can be turned off and the CPU usage would be much lower, so it would last considerably longer
2013-06-17 18:30 <mth> I don't know how much though; we haven't measured the power use of individual subsystems yet
2013-06-17 18:31 <mth> pcercuei did that for the Dingoo A320, but he doesn't have access to his equipment currently due to being on the other side of the world
2013-06-17 18:31 <viric> I mean, music is decoded with the general cpu, right?
2013-06-17 18:31 <mth> yes
2013-06-17 18:31 <viric> somehow I imagine it far less efficient than with hw help
2013-06-17 18:32 <mth> for today's CPUs music decoding is so easy that they'll sleep most of the time
2013-06-17 18:33 <viric> hm really?
2013-06-17 18:33 <viric> well, the gcw also has a huge battery :)
2013-06-17 18:36 <mth> playing MP3 takes about 6% CPU time
2013-06-17 18:37 <viric> hm ok
2013-06-17 18:37 <viric> I should test how long the nanonote lasts :)
2013-06-17 18:37 <viric> the battery is far smaller
2013-06-17 18:39 <mth> the JZ4770 is manufactured at a smaller process size (65 nm vs 180 nm for JZ4740, if the wikipedia page is correct), which also helps power efficiency
2013-06-17 18:40 <viric> ah, ok
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2013-06-17 18:41 <mth> we can probably save some power in the kernel as well
2013-06-17 18:41 <mth> we don't unpower all unused hardware yet
2013-06-17 18:42 <viric> very good :)
2013-06-17 18:42 <viric> yesterday I was trying 3.9 in a broadcom chip... I'll try to build a filesystem for it.
2013-06-17 18:43 <viric> mth: do you have dropbear there?
2013-06-17 18:43 <mth> yes
2013-06-17 18:43 <viric> can you try with dbclient:    ssh -J hello hello
2013-06-17 18:43 <viric> if it segfaults or not
2013-06-17 18:43 <mth> dbclient?
2013-06-17 18:44 <mth> ah, the ssh client from dropbear
2013-06-17 18:44 <mth> I read db and think of databases ;)
2013-06-17 18:44 <viric> the dropbear ssh client
2013-06-17 18:44 <viric> yes
2013-06-17 18:44 <viric> :)
2013-06-17 18:44 <viric> it's about bears
2013-06-17 18:44 <mth> opendingux:/boot/local/home # dbclient -J hello hello
2013-06-17 18:44 <mth> Segmentation fault
2013-06-17 18:45 <mth> opendingux:/boot/local/home # sh: hello: not found
2013-06-17 18:45 <viric> also segfault? Damn db
2013-06-17 18:45 <viric> on x86 it works.
2013-06-17 18:45 <mth> I only use the server side
2013-06-17 18:45 <mth> the Zero doesn't have a keyboard, so the client is not that useful
2013-06-17 18:45 <viric> this requires gdb!
2013-06-17 18:45 <mth> I've got gdb
2013-06-17 18:46 <mth> gdb needs a patch to work on MIPS though
2013-06-17 18:46 <viric> you could have an autossh trying to forward ports :)
2013-06-17 18:46 <viric> Really? I used gdb on mips enough times
2013-06-17 18:46 <viric> what patch?
2013-06-17 18:46 <mth> https://github.com/gcwnow/buildroot/blob/opendingux-2012.11/toolchain/gdb/7.5/signal-128.patch
2013-06-17 18:47 <viric> since when?
2013-06-17 18:48 <mth> here is the detailed info: http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14523#c3
2013-06-17 18:49 <viric> hm I didn't remember it. Thank you!
2013-06-17 18:50 <mth> if you're using 7.3 or before, you don't need this patch
2013-06-17 18:50 <viric> Ah, that can explain it
2013-06-17 18:50 <viric> Great.
2013-06-17 18:50 <viric> This channel is a great place to be at :)
2013-06-17 18:51 <mth> the segfault happens on free(), by the way
2013-06-17 18:51 <viric> aha
2013-06-17 18:51 <viric> I'll try with valgrind on x85
2013-06-17 18:52 <mth> but I don't have debug symbols in dbclient, so gdb cannot provide a good stack trace of the upper levels
2013-06-17 18:52 <viric> some hundreds of problems. perfect.
2013-06-17 18:52 <viric> don't worry
2013-06-17 18:52 <mth> it could also be a corrupted stack though
2013-06-17 18:52 <viric> if so, valgrind will tell on x86
2013-06-17 18:52 <viric> will check. don't worry. :)
2013-06-17 18:52 <viric> but this bug has fcked me on openwrt routers
2013-06-17 18:53 <viric> and it's there since years
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2013-06-17 19:20 <viric> mth: can you test a patch on dropbear easily, for mips?
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