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08:07 ornotermes has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-27 08:07 lekernel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-05-27 08:07 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 08:12 ornotermes has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 09:20 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 09:37 lekernel has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-27 09:39 Supaplex has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 09:50 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 09:50 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 10:08 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2013-05-27 10:18 hello everyone 2013-05-27 10:19 mh kernels get bigger and bigger. openwrt on 16MB of RAM got stuck at 2.6.32 I think 2013-05-27 10:20 how big is the nanonote kernel now? dmesg | fgrep "kernel code" 2013-05-27 10:24 7MB maybe 2013-05-27 10:24 larsc: I noticed while playing with the serial output on the NN this week-end that the serial console was read only, there's no shell prompt at the end of kernel boot process (using qi kernel 3.9 here) 2013-05-27 10:25 if you press the 'S' key while powering on the device write will also be enabled 2013-05-27 10:26 larsc: was it so big on, let's say, 2.6.36? 2013-05-27 10:26 no 2013-05-27 10:27 so compressed was < 2MB now it is > 2MB 2013-05-27 10:27 openwrt had about a 2MB diff between 2.6.32 and 3.3 2013-05-27 10:27 hm do you correlate much the file size with the kernel size in ram? 2013-05-27 10:27 (I mean, memory not available to the system) 2013-05-27 10:27 larsc: secret boot command, that's nice :). will try it later (I'm at work right now), thanks. 2013-05-27 10:33 apelete: rx is off by default because otherwise, if no serial is connected and the pin is floating you'll receivce bogus data 2013-05-27 10:38 larsc: the 'reserved' memory may have changed, too, right? that wouldn't be in the kernel file 2013-05-27 10:57 _baba_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 10:57 unclouded has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2013-05-27 10:58 baba has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-27 11:33 what do you mean bt reserved? 2013-05-27 11:33 kuribas has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 11:35 by 2013-05-27 11:52 larsc: ok I see. I read something like that on the wiki (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Serial_console#The_RXD_wire) but wasn't sure about what to do about it 2013-05-27 11:59 porchaso0 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 12:01 porchao has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-27 12:52 kuribas has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-27 13:15 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 13:48 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-27 14:18 woakas has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2013-05-27 14:30 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-05-27 14:31 FDCX_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 14:31 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 14:38 arossDOTme has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 14:44 Does anybody know what the max input voltage (charge & power circuit) the NN can take? I looked at the circuit diagrams and the only info was the IC limits in the IC specs. Are there limits with the circuit design/components? Thanks muchly. 2013-05-27 14:49 qi-bot has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-27 15:28 _baba_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2013-05-27 15:32 baba has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 16:51 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 16:56 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 16:58 FDCX_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-27 17:03 FDCX_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 17:15 FDCX_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-05-27 17:18 jekhor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-27 17:20 larsc: (bogus data, floating pin) eeek, severe hw design bug 2013-05-27 17:24 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 17:24 I'm sure you're aware that floating cmos inputs are causing increased quiescent current and thus unwanted power consumption. And that a floating input it very prone to even induced surges that might kill the chip 2013-05-27 17:25 well, maybe you are smart and configure the pin as output then 2013-05-27 17:28 this has other immanent problems, like driving output vs output when sth gets connected, but for default case of oben connection it should be the better alternative to a floating input 2013-05-27 17:29 open* 2013-05-27 17:30 LunaVorax has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-05-27 17:31 DocScrutinizer05: you don't have to tell me 2013-05-27 17:32 :-) 2013-05-27 17:32 somebody again failed to ask us for proofreading the schematics before they went to mp? 2013-05-27 17:33 kind of 2013-05-27 17:34 larsc: does that pin have the usual pullup/pulldown resistors configuarbe via setup? 2013-05-27 17:34 chip internal GPIO standard block 2013-05-27 17:35 if there's such a thing, you might consider a nifty logic to detect if pin is floating 2013-05-27 17:35 you can add a pullup if it is configured for gpio mode, but not if it is configured for uart mode 2013-05-27 17:37 sure, during init you're free to configure it for GPIO temporarily? 2013-05-27 17:38 configure for GPIO, set weak pullup, read in and check if 1, configure weak pulldown, read in and check for 0. repeat 10 times. if all results been in line with pullup/down then assume it's floating 2013-05-27 17:39 keep it gonfigured as GPIO and set to output 0 2013-05-27 17:39 otherwise assume there must be something driving the input and configure as UART RX 2013-05-27 17:42 hm 2013-05-27 17:42 might work 2013-05-27 17:42 sure 2013-05-27 17:42 ;-) 2013-05-27 17:43 my designs usually work ;-D 2013-05-27 17:44 and this one took me almost 5 minutes, it damn better works ;-) 2013-05-27 17:45 :D 2013-05-27 17:45 neat trick 2013-05-27 17:47 just give me proper credit for the idea when implementing it :-) 2013-05-27 17:48 isn't that the textbook way to detect floating inputs? ;) 2013-05-27 17:48 if it is then I never owned that textbook 2013-05-27 17:50 but I could figure the more evolved jtag testers have a similar function 2013-05-27 17:52 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders why the complementary outputs in TTL were also called totem pole 2013-05-27 17:54 called what? 2013-05-27 17:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transistor%E2%80%93transistor_logic#TTL_with_a_.22totem-pole.22_output_stage 2013-05-27 17:55 huh 2013-05-27 17:56 yeah, wikipedia to the rescue. Actually because the schematics look like a totem pole 2013-05-27 17:56 LOL 2013-05-27 17:57 ... I think you need some seriously good imagination for that 2013-05-27 17:58 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totem-Pole-Ausgang 2013-05-27 17:58 >> Der Name der Schaltung bezieht sich auf die Symbolanordnung für die Endstufentransistoren im Schaltbild. Diese werden normalerweise übereinander gezeichnet, vergleichbar einem Totempfahl der Indianer (engl.: totem pole).<< 2013-05-27 17:58 the guy who invented that name must have been high on grass 2013-05-27 18:08 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-05-27 18:11 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 18:18 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-27 18:45 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-05-27 18:50 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 18:50 wpwrak: all gets better and better http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/05/25/132232/google-unable-to-keep-paying-app-developers-in-argentina 2013-05-27 18:58 evil dump: Does anybody know what the max input voltage (charge & power circuit) the NN can take? I looked at the circuit diagrams and the only info was the IC limits in the IC specs. Are there limits with the circuit design/components? Thanks muchly. 2013-05-27 19:00 btw projects.qi-hardware seams to be having uptime problems. (hint: this means I am finally getting around to uploading my dam goodies! ...at blooming last) 2013-05-27 19:05 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 19:15 arossdotme: I don't have access to the schematics (qi-hw.com down?) but iirc there's no range allowed. It has to be a stabilized voltage 2013-05-27 19:40 Jurting_pc2 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 20:54 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-05-27 20:59 _whitelogger has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 21:27 rz2k has quit [] 2013-05-27 21:52 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 22:04 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 22:23 lekernel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-05-27 22:26 Jurting_pc2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-05-27 22:48 xdpirate has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 23:32 _baba_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 23:33 baba has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-05-27 23:45 xdpirate_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-05-27 23:48 xdpirate has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]