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2013-05-24 07:58 <mth> larsc: don't we need the DMA engine running earlier than "module" time for the (S)LCD drivers?
2013-05-24 07:59 <larsc> no
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2013-05-24 07:59 <larsc> with probe deferal this will all work nicely
2013-05-24 07:59 <mth> is that something new?
2013-05-24 08:00 <mth> because I had to force for example the I2C driver to be probed earlier to make sure it was ready for other drivers to use
2013-05-24 08:00 <mth> also I'm not sure if you saw this one yesterday: you could use devm_request_irq in the last DMA patch, now that DMA is a device
2013-05-24 08:01 <larsc> Yes, it is something new
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2013-05-24 08:10 <mth> but that could lead to the (S)LCD driver to be postponed to very late in the boot process?
2013-05-24 08:10 <mth> I'd like to have it up and running as soon as possible, to give feedback about the boot to the user
2013-05-24 08:12 <larsc> the difference will maybe be half a second
2013-05-24 08:13 <mth> in the case of OpenDingux' super minimal boot loader, the (S)LCD driver is even the first sign of life from the device
2013-05-24 08:14 <mth> well, except the power LED, but the A320 doesn't have one (the Zero does, but on the prototype hardware it doesn't work)
2013-05-24 08:15 <mth> I know there is no guarantee the (S)LCD driver will be probed early even if it doesn't have to defer, but I was hoping to be able to force that with a relatively simple hack
2013-05-24 08:15 <larsc> Lets see how well it works, we can still change it later
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2013-05-24 08:43 <mcarla> anyone know if it exists some kind of lib to do edif parsing?
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2013-05-24 13:22 <hellekin> http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/single-board-computers-and-software-freedom
2013-05-24 13:23 <viric> hellekin: sheevaplug!
2013-05-24 13:23 <viric> hm screen-less doesn't count, I guess :)
2013-05-24 13:24 <hellekin> viric: wouldn't be too complicated to add graphics capabilities to a sheevaplug to make it the first FSF-endorsed SBC, or maybe turn the Nanonote into an SBC edition?
2013-05-24 13:29 <hellekin> or maybe we need to kick asses and tell the Nouveau developers to work on a free chip instead of nVidia (remembering lekernel meeting curro in Berlin and red bulleting him on wasting his brains on proprietary hw)
2013-05-24 13:30 <hellekin> http://limadriver.org/ or that
2013-05-24 13:31 <hellekin> but it's still ARM, so...
2013-05-24 13:33 <viric> there are the longsoon computers too
2013-05-24 13:35 <viric> hellekin: well, I think that the plugs are already a bit endorsed through the 'freedombox'
2013-05-24 13:40 <viric> http://freedomboxfoundation.org/
2013-05-24 13:52 <hellekin> viric: the {sheeva,guru,dream}plugs still use ARM, so although they run free software, they still run on proprietary hw, right?
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2013-05-24 14:02 <larsc> hellekin: there is no board with doesn't have some kind of proprietary hw
2013-05-24 14:04 <hellekin> larsc: even the nanonote and the milkymist?
2013-05-24 14:06 <hellekin> even openmoko?
2013-05-24 14:07 <larsc> yes
2013-05-24 14:07 <viric> sure
2013-05-24 14:07 <whitequark> get yourself a LED
2013-05-24 14:07 <whitequark> it's proprietary
2013-05-24 14:07 <larsc> exactly
2013-05-24 14:07 <larsc> or a resistor
2013-05-24 14:08 <whitequark> well, you can make resistors yourself, it's not that hard
2013-05-24 14:08 <whitequark> LEDs, on the other hand, you likely cannot
2013-05-24 14:08 <larsc> but the resistor on the board is proprietary
2013-05-24 14:08 <whitequark> yes.
2013-05-24 14:08 <whitequark> it's just that at the level of complexity that LEDs have, and their applications, it doesn't matter that much.
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2013-05-24 14:14 <hellekin> ah yes, well, we're not yet in the age of home-printed electronics.
2013-05-24 14:15 <larsc> but openmoko, etc also use ARM chips
2013-05-24 14:16 <larsc> so they aren't any different from the *plug in that regard
2013-05-24 14:16 <whitequark> openmoko in particular used a very bad GPU
2013-05-24 14:16 <whitequark> not just non-free, but also quite crappy
2013-05-24 14:16 * larsc wrote the xorg driver for it
2013-05-24 14:17 <whitequark> unlike eg Mali in Exynos
2013-05-24 14:17 <larsc> although only 2d acceleration
2013-05-24 14:17 <whitequark> (though, rpi with its powervr continues that nice practice)
2013-05-24 14:18 <larsc> the most painfull thing about the gpu chip was that it also was the mmc host controller and only connected via a slow 16 bit bus to the main cpu
2013-05-24 14:19 <larsc> the graphics performance of the gta01 was better
2013-05-24 14:19 <larsc> although there was no acceleration at all
2013-05-24 14:21 <hellekin> oh, something quite different, but that shocked me two days ago. I went to a computer shop to pick up a restored motherboard. I took the opportunity to ask for the availability of mSATA SSD to boost my laptop.
2013-05-24 14:22 <whitequark> lemme guess
2013-05-24 14:22 <whitequark> thinkpad?
2013-05-24 14:22 <hellekin> not only the techie didn't know about mSATA SSD, but he explained me that importing such electronics in Argentina, although the country does not produce them, is illegal.
2013-05-24 14:22 <hellekin> yes Thinkpad :)
2013-05-24 14:22 <whitequark> oh, that.
2013-05-24 14:22 <whitequark> hellekin: afaik, thinkpad does the VID/PID lock thingy
2013-05-24 14:22 <whitequark> so you have to patch BIOS in order to boot it with non-thinkpad memory, HDD, ...
2013-05-24 14:22 <larsc> I have a ssd in my thinkpad
2013-05-24 14:23 <larsc> random ssd
2013-05-24 14:23 <larsc> and I also had non thinkpad ram in one of my older thinkpads
2013-05-24 14:24 <larsc> and HDD as well
2013-05-24 14:24 <whitequark> maybe it's a recent thing
2013-05-24 14:24 <hellekin> whitequark: oh that would explain why I couldn't boot from the SD card
2013-05-24 14:25 <viric> what are "such electronics" that can't be imported?
2013-05-24 14:25 <hellekin> viric: anything that is supposedly not produced in Argentina
2013-05-24 14:25 <hellekin> like pacemakers :P
2013-05-24 14:25 <viric> You can only import things that are produced in aregntina?
2013-05-24 14:26 <hellekin> viric: no you can't import shit. Well, it's very restricted and very controlled. Ask werner how he feels about it.
2013-05-24 14:27 <hellekin> that is, if there's an Argentinian production, you can't import an equivalent (or often better) foreign version.
2013-05-24 14:27 <viric> it's weird that you are banned to import specifically those things *not* produced in the country.
2013-05-24 14:27 <hellekin> except that for electronics and chemicals, they tend to forbid by default
2013-05-24 14:28 <viric> AH
2013-05-24 14:28 <hellekin> viric: yes, that's a weird country
2013-05-24 14:28 <viric> then it's the opposite of what you said
2013-05-24 14:28 <viric> You can't import what *is* supposedly produced in Argentina
2013-05-24 14:28 <viric> you said "what is *not* produced".
2013-05-24 14:28 <hellekin> ah yes sorry
2013-05-24 14:30 <larsc> and if you are allowed to import you still have to pay a 100% tax
2013-05-24 14:31 <hellekin> yes, and now they limited people from buying more than USD100 of goods outside the country per month or trimester
2013-05-24 14:31 <viric> well, here all local products are more expensive than foreign products.
2013-05-24 14:32 <hellekin> viric: where is here?
2013-05-24 14:32 <viric> it's all very unbalanced
2013-05-24 14:32 <viric> hellekin: European Union
2013-05-24 14:32 <viric> that isn't a good situation either
2013-05-24 14:33 <hellekin> yeah, they tend to pay the workers
2013-05-24 14:33 <viric> hellekin: when there are jobs to do.
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2013-05-24 14:33 <larsc> they put up a high tax on importing solar panels recently
2013-05-24 14:33 <hellekin> not in Spain :]
2013-05-24 14:33 <hellekin> WTF? These politicians are so backwards.
2013-05-24 14:34 <viric> here it's forbidden in many places, to have solar panels
2013-05-24 14:34 <hellekin> forbidden? I don't remember it was forbidden in France or Germany
2013-05-24 14:35 <larsc> hellekin: this was done because chinese panels are highly subsidized
2013-05-24 14:35 <viric> Local laws. They damage the 'picture' of the countryside.
2013-05-24 14:35 <hellekin> in France, the surplus electricity you produced used to be bought at a high price
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2013-05-24 14:36 <larsc> viric: but the pollution from power plants doesnt?
2013-05-24 14:36 <hellekin> larsc: ah. Fair then. Too bad Africa won't tax imported dairies and food from EU
2013-05-24 14:36 <viric> larsc: no, doesn't. :)
2013-05-24 14:36 <hellekin> viric: polluticians. Polluticians.
2013-05-24 14:39 <viric> Here the electricity is very expensive, because the government had a deal with the deployment of gas-power-plants.
2013-05-24 14:39 <viric> (I talk about the whole Spain)
2013-05-24 14:40 <viric> lots of gas power plants were deployed, at the same time when people started to deploy renewable energy (solar plants, windmills, ...)
2013-05-24 14:41 <hellekin> hmmm... This VID/PID lock is going to bother me I guess. Looking at the Thinkpad forums, it all talks about Windows. Of course, I don't know, have, nor want Windows. All I want is to boot on an mSATA SSD
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2013-05-24 14:41 <hellekin> maybe I should supply my data to Coreboot ASAP :]
2013-05-24 14:41 <viric> The peak energy used in the country is half the capacity of production
2013-05-24 14:41 <hellekin> so electricity should be cheap
2013-05-24 14:41 <viric> But in the energy market, the renewables start selling at very low price (it's free for them to produce electricitY)
2013-05-24 14:42 <hellekin> yep
2013-05-24 14:42 <hellekin> an example of (again) bad political planning
2013-05-24 14:42 <viric> And only if the renewables don't produce enough, the oil, gas, etc... take part, and the price gets higher in the auction
2013-05-24 14:42 <viric> BUT
2013-05-24 14:42 <viric> the government had the deal with the gas plants. So, we all have to pay the non-working gas plants .
2013-05-24 14:42 <hellekin> the rich should pay for the failures of the governments
2013-05-24 14:43 <viric> Moreover, the public messages about the "high price of energy" are about "renewable energies are too expensive".
2013-05-24 14:43 <hellekin> so that they have an incentive to make the policies work better
2013-05-24 14:43 <hellekin> for all
2013-05-24 14:43 <viric> so all gets upside dow
2013-05-24 14:43 <viric> n
2013-05-24 14:43 <apelete> hellekin: what thinkpad model do you have the lock problem on ? I was thinking about buying a thinkpad lately, to replace my aging X60
2013-05-24 14:44 <hellekin> fucking propaganda. OK, I need to cut short this conversation or I will end up burning a flag :]
2013-05-24 14:45 <viric> we should every day burn a flag
2013-05-24 14:45 <hellekin> apelete: I didn't test it yet, so I don't know whether there's an issue. It's a T430. Works like a charm so far. Won't boot on an SD card, but USB is fine. When I have the mSATA I can update you
2013-05-24 14:45 <hellekin> +1 viric
2013-05-24 14:45 <viric> but that'd take you to prison :)
2013-05-24 14:45 <hellekin> although it would become a senseless habit pretty fast
2013-05-24 14:46 <viric> hellekin: you may want to watch this...
2013-05-24 14:47 <hellekin> one night, I was drunk, I stole a flag in a border town. I thought it was the local flag. I wanted to burn it. But then in the morning I realize it was the other side's flag. That made it to local papers. All kinds of speculations went on about it. I created jobs!
2013-05-24 14:47 <viric> hellekin: http://www.nuevomodeloenergetico.org/pgs2/
2013-05-24 14:47 <viric> :)
2013-05-24 14:47 <viric> hellekin: I mean the Oligopoly2 youtube film
2013-05-24 14:48 <viric> but it's about what I just told yo.
2013-05-24 14:48 <hellekin> nice thank you
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2013-05-24 14:56 <apelete> hellekin: please do so, I would really like to know if some models are locked indedd
2013-05-24 14:56 <apelete> s/indedd/indeed/
2013-05-24 14:56 <qi-bot> apelete meant: "hellekin: please do so, I would really like to know if some models are locked indeed"
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2013-05-24 18:51 <hellekin> apelete: according to that list, only one mSATA "cache" 32GB SSD is "authorized". That would be terrible. http://download.lenovo.com/parts/ThinkPad/t430_t430i_fru_bom_20130410.pdf
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2013-05-24 19:31 <wpwrak> hellekin: (import restriction) naw, that doesn't sound right. as an individual, you can import most things. just make sure they don't connect to mains.
2013-05-24 19:31 <hellekin> wpwrak: mains?
2013-05-24 19:32 <wpwrak> hellekin: the USD 100 restriction is for cash withdrawal at ATMs, not for general card use. if you use cash back (where available), you can even circumvent that.
2013-05-24 19:32 <hellekin> ah interesting. Good to know
2013-05-24 19:33 <hellekin> I've heard this morning from a neighbor that sales at shops, including supermarkets, dropped drsatically in the last couple of weeks
2013-05-24 19:34 <wpwrak> (mains) anything > ~50 V
2013-05-24 19:34 <hellekin> ah
2013-05-24 19:35 <hellekin> so I can order a miraplug and it won't cost me an eye?
2013-05-24 19:36 <wpwrak> what's a miraplug ?
2013-05-24 19:36 <hellekin> like a sheevaplug, but with 2 ethernet ports
2013-05-24 19:36 <hellekin> and wifi
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2013-05-24 19:37 <wpwrak> sheevaplug connects to mains ...
2013-05-24 19:37 <hellekin> hmmm, but that's 12V. OK I get it.
2013-05-24 19:38 <hellekin> At least I should be able to import an mSATA SSD :P
2013-05-24 19:38 <hellekin> well, if they don't tax it like crazy
2013-05-24 19:38 <wpwrak> you generally pay around 50% of the declared value
2013-05-24 19:39 <wpwrak> oh, and make sure the total value of the shipment doesn't exceed USD 1000
2013-05-24 19:39 <hellekin> nah, that's a 150$ thingie
2013-05-24 19:40 <wpwrak> (12 V) if it operates with 12 V and does not include a wall wart, mains cable, or mains plug, you should be safe
2013-05-24 19:41 <hellekin> I got in touch with someone who's into drones
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