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2013-05-13 21:14 <apelete> larsc: Hi, are you there ?
2013-05-13 21:20 <larsc> yes, I'm always here ;)
2013-05-13 21:22 <apelete> larsc: nice :)
2013-05-13 21:23 <apelete> been reading some more kernel code, I need some help to get a clearer picture
2013-05-13 21:23 <larsc> sure
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2013-05-13 21:26 <apelete> okay
2013-05-13 21:27 <apelete> if musb is a specific host controller driver for the usb IP used in the NN, how does the driver we have now talk with the usb subsystem ?
2013-05-13 21:28 <larsc> it registers itself as a usb gadget driver
2013-05-13 21:30 <apelete> and it shouldn't ? what benefit do we have by using musb to do that ?
2013-05-13 21:30 <larsc> not having duplicated code
2013-05-13 21:31 <larsc> and the current driver is in a rather doubious shape
2013-05-13 21:32 <larsc> If we use the musb driver we only have to write a very thin layer of additional code
2013-05-13 21:32 <larsc> which is much easier to maintain of course
2013-05-13 21:33 <apelete> <larsc> not having duplicated code
2013-05-13 21:33 <apelete> what part of the jz4740_udc driver is duplicating code exactly ? the host controller driver code (I'm asking because that's what musb seems to be) ?
2013-05-13 21:37 <apelete> in fact I'm trying to know what I really need to do.
2013-05-13 21:37 <apelete>  last time you said that the drivers that are using musb today implements both a host driver *and* a gadget driver
2013-05-13 21:38 <larsc> yes
2013-05-13 21:38 <larsc> and the jz4740 gadget driver is duplicated code of the musb gadget driver
2013-05-13 21:40 <apelete> do we want a gadget driver or a host driver (or both) for the NN ?
2013-05-13 21:40 <apelete> in my understanding, we want a gadget driver that is "musb compliant"
2013-05-13 21:41 <larsc> gadget
2013-05-13 21:41 <larsc> the IP core used in the jz4740 is the musb core
2013-05-13 21:41 <larsc> so we want to use the musb driver
2013-05-13 21:41 <apelete> ok, so we need a gagdet driver that register to musb. good.
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2013-05-13 21:41 <larsc> no musb will register the gadget driver
2013-05-13 21:42 <larsc> what we need is a platform glue code for jz4740 for the musb driver
2013-05-13 21:42 <larsc> which is stuff like IO access, clocks and interrupts
2013-05-13 21:43 <apelete> haha. so musb is already a host and gadget driver by itself ? and platform code is used to take advantage of the musb driver ?
2013-05-13 21:44 <larsc> yes
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2013-05-13 21:48 <apelete> ok. so that's why you were also saying that there was some work needed to be done in musb in order for it to register host and gadget part independantly ? (because today musb is registering both gadget and host driver at the same time, it does not register only one)
2013-05-13 21:48 <larsc> yep
2013-05-13 21:51 <apelete> okay. in a nutshell we want 2 things:
2013-05-13 21:51 <apelete> 1/ write platform glue code for jz4740 to use musb gadget driver
2013-05-13 21:51 <apelete> 2/ modify musb to register either as gadget or host driver or both
2013-05-13 21:52 <apelete> am I correct ?
2013-05-13 21:52 <larsc> yes
2013-05-13 21:55 <apelete> larsc: okay, thank you very much. this is important because I am struggling to understand what exactly musb is, and how is it different from ohci, uhci drivers in linux (basically how does it fit in the usb subsystem).
2013-05-13 21:57 <apelete> larsc: I may not get it right now, but I think I will start by writing some code for 1/
2013-05-13 21:57 <larsc> nice
2013-05-13 21:58 <apelete> larsc: I hope it will get clearer to me by writing code, and we will discuss it more by then if you don't mind :)
2013-05-13 21:58 <wpwrak> apelete: from http://elinux.org/MUSB: "The MUSBMHDRC DRD OTG Controller (from now on referred to as MUSB is a Dual-Role OTG IP Core used in several SoC implementations. At the time of this writing at least OMAP, DaVinci and Blackfins integrate that IP Core in the SoC and a discrete version of it is supplied by Texas Instruments as the tusb6010 ASIC."
2013-05-13 22:00 <apelete> wpwrak: yes, you're talking about the asic there, the chip inside the device (I understand "IP core" as "asic" )
2013-05-13 22:00 <apelete> right ?
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2013-05-13 22:06 <apelete> what I was struggling with until now is "what is musb and how does it fit in the linux usb subsystem ?"
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2013-05-13 22:06 <apelete> from what I understand now, musb in the kernel is a driver implementation for the MUSB IP Core used in the NN
2013-05-13 22:06 <apelete> and to take advantage of the musb driver, one as to write a platform glue code for it.
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2013-05-13 22:07 <wpwrak> apelete: well, it's the corresponding part of the jz4740 asic. there are others: the actual CPU core, UART, MMC, SPI, etc.
2013-05-13 22:08 <wpwrak> an yes, the driver is names after the hardware :)
2013-05-13 22:08 <wpwrak> s/names/named
2013-05-13 22:08 <wpwrak> oh, our bot is gone. interesting
2013-05-13 22:08 <apelete> wpwrak: ok, thanks.
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2013-05-13 22:11 <apelete> wpwrak larsc: I'll have a look at the platform glue code already in the kernel as an example to get started. will let you know how it goes.
2013-05-13 22:11 <apelete> wpwrak larsc: ha, btw, how do you debug kernel code on the NN ?
2013-05-13 22:12 <apelete> did you solder a serial output to the NN ?
2013-05-13 22:12 <larsc> yes
2013-05-13 22:13 <apelete> ok. I saw instructions to do it here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Serial_console
2013-05-13 22:13 <larsc> yea, it's straight forward
2013-05-13 22:15 <apelete> I haven't used a soldering iron in a while (but still got one), this is going to be fun :)
2013-05-13 22:17 <apelete> thanks for the help tonight. will keep you posted.
2013-05-13 22:17 <larsc> be careful to apply to much heat, the pads seem to come of quite easy
2013-05-13 22:17 <wpwrak> (serial) me too. a slightly luxurious version :)  http://www.almesberger.net/misc/idbg/
2013-05-13 22:20 <apelete> larsc: thanks for the warning
2013-05-13 22:21 <apelete> wpwrak: wow, quite luxurious indeed :) (won't be posting pictures of my soldering anytime soon ;) )
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