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2013-05-09 06:22 * whitequark just made himself some bread
2013-05-09 06:23 <whitequark> it's surprisingly edible. even sort of good, considering this is my #2 attempt
2013-05-09 06:23 <whitequark> and I could actually eat the result daily.
2013-05-09 06:25 <whitequark> funny thing: it's completely devoid of any taste. the texture, etc is fine... yet it is totally tasteless. every bread I ate before had *any*
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2013-05-09 06:41 <larsc> My grandma makes bread herself and while it taste a bit different, it definitly has a taste
2013-05-09 06:42 <larsc> I'd even say it's a bit stronger
2013-05-09 06:47 <whitequark> larsc: well... I guess you have to aim for it specifically
2013-05-09 06:47 <whitequark> I thought that bread has an intrinsic taste. It doesn't and that's what surprised me
2013-05-09 06:47 <whitequark> it's also dumb simple... you just need precise scales, steady hands and a timer
2013-05-09 06:48 <whitequark> I heard that being off by a few % may make it far worse. from my results, that might be very possible.
2013-05-09 06:48 <larsc> I'd assume the yeast gives it at least some taste
2013-05-09 06:48 <whitequark> hm.
2013-05-09 06:50 <whitequark> http://www.oetker.ca/en/product/baking-ingredients/pouch/11082
2013-05-09 06:50 <whitequark> dunno, maybe it's a recent development and they figured out how to remove that
2013-05-09 06:53 <larsc> or you figured it out, first tasteless bread ever made ;)
2013-05-09 06:53 <whitequark> :D
2013-05-09 06:54 <whitequark> I'd assume this would be a desirable trait as it leaves more room for experimenting with taste
2013-05-09 06:54 <larsc> patent your recipe
2013-05-09 06:55 <whitequark> oh... you won't believe why did I start making bread
2013-05-09 06:55 <whitequark> literally because of http://z0r.de/2361.
2013-05-09 06:57 <larsc> uhm, I don't get it
2013-05-09 06:57 <whitequark> it's a scene (several scenes cut, actually) from an anime about bread. you'd think it is pretty dumb (I think the target audience is middle schoolers) until they actually go on and explain the underlying chemical and microbiological processes
2013-05-09 06:57 <whitequark> (it's Yakitate!!, for the reference)
2013-05-09 06:58 <whitequark> apart from gathering together dozens of pretty interesting breads all around the world
2013-05-09 06:59 <larsc> ok
2013-05-09 06:59 <whitequark> re patent your recipe: it's one of theirs.
2013-05-09 07:00 <whitequark> I plan on improving it in a certain way and the taste being absent is very convenient.
2013-05-09 07:01 <whitequark> (what I mean by "pretty dumb"? this episode is representative: http://www.animeultima.tv/yakitate-japan-episode-5-english-subbed/)
2013-05-09 07:02 * whitequark shrugs
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2013-05-09 10:04 <apelete> Hello
2013-05-09 10:07 <apelete> larsc: still here ?
2013-05-09 10:07 <larsc> I'm always here ;) hi
2013-05-09 10:07 <apelete> Hi
2013-05-09 10:07 <apelete> been reading the musb code in the kernel for the past few days
2013-05-09 10:08 <apelete> from what I understood, msub is the equivalent of "usbcore" but for embedded usb controllers
2013-05-09 10:09 <larsc> no. musb is one specific USB IP core
2013-05-09 10:09 <larsc> just like OHCI or EHCI
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2013-05-09 10:11 <apelete> ok, that's what I thought but phrased it wrong
2013-05-09 10:12 <larsc> ok
2013-05-09 10:12 <apelete> so, musb can be used to implement the host drivers and gagdet drivers as well, right ?
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2013-05-09 10:19 <larsc> yes
2013-05-09 10:20 <larsc> but the jz4740 is only using the gadget part of the IP core
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2013-05-09 10:23 <apelete> larsc: so what we want for jz4740 is a gadget driver that uses the musb IP core ? no need to bother with the host driver then ?
2013-05-09 10:25 <larsc> yes
2013-05-09 10:26 <larsc> which needs some restructuring in the musb driver since all other platforms currently use both host and gadget
2013-05-09 10:29 <apelete> larsc: ah, so in the current state of things, it is not possible to write just the gadget side for a new platform ?
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2013-05-09 10:55 <apelete> hmm, will read the musb code further. I don't get how host and gadget are both needed when adding support for a platform yet
2013-05-09 11:24 <larsc> the init code in the musb driver reads like: init_gadget(); init_host();
2013-05-09 11:25 <larsc> so what tneeds to be done is to put the init_host() in a if clause
2013-05-09 11:25 <larsc> well thats of course greatly simplified
2013-05-09 11:26 <apelete> ok, I see
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2013-05-09 11:54 <wpwrak> hmm, as a module, my "fixed" jz4740_usb still oopses on rmmod. not sure if this is something new, though
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2013-05-09 12:41 <larsc> probably not
2013-05-09 12:42 <wpwrak> i'm suspecting the unbind in jz4740_udc_stop. let's see ...
2013-05-09 12:43 <wpwrak> yeah, that's the one
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2013-05-09 12:46 <wpwrak> https://github.com/wpwrak/ben-wpan-linux/commit/dda77854151dc145e2047840831bf27802596ab1
2013-05-09 12:47 <wpwrak> now rmmod followed by insmod works
2013-05-09 12:47 <wpwrak> to test, you also need to cycle g_ether.ko
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2013-05-09 13:14 <larsc> I don't want to test ;)
2013-05-09 13:30 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: bin/grepchunk: process diff -u output and select/drop (-v) chunks like grep would (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/wernermisc/8ffb473
2013-05-09 13:30 <wpwrak> yeah, some features are better left untested :)
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2013-05-09 14:24 <larsc> wooho, we finally made it to 21th century "With the upgraded version of Exchange, you will receive a 25 GB mailbox"
2013-05-09 14:25 <viric> a mailbox where?
2013-05-09 14:27 <larsc> company
2013-05-09 14:27 <larsc> it was 400MB before
2013-05-09 14:27 <larsc> rather annoying
2013-05-09 14:27 <larsc> I'm getting the "Your mailbox is almost full" Mail every day
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2013-05-09 14:31 <wpwrak> i think "exchange" should be read as an imperative ...
2013-05-09 14:32 <larsc> yea, that too ;)
2013-05-09 14:32 <larsc> messes up all patch files
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2013-05-09 15:00 <wpwrak> they probably do this on purpose ... in fact, they pretty much declared their intentions some years ago: http://www.lena.sub.org/img/msad/msad1_preview.jpg
2013-05-09 15:00 <wpwrak> better image: http://www.lena.sub.org/img/msad/msad1.jpg
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2013-05-09 15:13 <larsc> the next windows is probably going to be a Linux ;)
2013-05-09 15:15 <wpwrak> that would be quite the headline :-)
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2013-05-09 15:18 <larsc> I suppose no Windows at all would also be an option
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2013-05-09 15:22 <wpwrak> the one pronounced "X-Windows" :) (they hate it, 'coz the name is "X Window System", but then, if we make the "ystem" silent and contract the "s", it works)
2013-05-09 15:25 <paul_boddie> Hello again! No-one here with special Qi-Hardware wiki powers?
2013-05-09 15:26 <paul_boddie> Might be nice if someone locked the front page so that it doesn't need reverting from stupid anti-aging scam product spamming every day.
2013-05-09 15:27 <kristianpaul> paul_boddie: done
2013-05-09 15:28 <kristianpaul> Thanks for reporting this could be done, i had noticed the spaming rush but havent tought what to do about it..
2013-05-09 15:28 <paul_boddie> kristianpaul: Thanks!
2013-05-09 15:28 <paul_boddie> It's nice that people (apart from the spammers) still care about the wiki, even though it doesn't see much action these days.
2013-05-09 15:29 <paul_boddie> It's also good that it doesn't get the registration spam that most MediaWiki installations seem to get now.
2013-05-09 15:47 <kristianpaul> he
2013-05-09 15:47 <kristianpaul> yup
2013-05-09 15:50 <paul_boddie> Will hopefully update my Emdebian guide today.
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