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2013-04-24 05:55 <viric> whitequark: would you like to meet together with kyak?
2013-04-24 05:55 <viric> whitequark: we are agreeing for monday
2013-04-24 05:56 <whitequark> viric: yup! that would be good
2013-04-24 05:57 <viric> perfect!
2013-04-24 05:57 <viric> I don't mind about the place
2013-04-24 05:57 <viric> you both may easier propose some.
2013-04-24 05:58 <wpwrak> ah, the exchanging of war stories over a few bottles of vodka ... :)
2013-04-24 05:58 <viric> well, our stories may be not that interesting as war stories :)
2013-04-24 05:59 <whitequark> war stories... yeah
2013-04-24 06:00 <wpwrak> weeks of hunting that bug, and finally killing it ? where's the difference ? :)
2013-04-24 06:00 <viric> the emotion of long nights sitting at the gdb prompt
2013-04-24 06:01 <whitequark> lldb*
2013-04-24 06:01 <whitequark> :p
2013-04-24 06:01 <wpwrak> while hearing strange noises in the darkness
2013-04-24 06:01 <viric> the neverending compilation times
2013-04-24 06:02 <whitequark> the feeling of recompiling the entire linux kernel all over again after changing one byte in the arch/ header
2013-04-24 06:02 <viric> famine, thinking for long that you'd fix the bug really soon, but the fix never happening
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2013-04-24 06:03 <whitequark> projects long abandoned by their authors and users alike, only remaining dormant on web.archive.org with the source archive 404'ing and just the binaries available for some reason
2013-04-24 06:03 <wpwrak> whitequark: you make it sound as if recompiling the kernel took long :)
2013-04-24 06:03 <whitequark> wpwrak: on a netbook.
2013-04-24 06:03 <wpwrak> ok :)
2013-04-24 06:03 <whitequark> I was broke :)
2013-04-24 06:03 <wpwrak> you should do FPGA synthesis. gives you a whole new perspective on slowness
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2013-04-24 06:04 <whitequark> I did :D
2013-04-24 06:04 <wpwrak> on the netbook ? :)
2013-04-24 06:04 <whitequark> mmm not sure, it was a long time ago
2013-04-24 06:04 <whitequark> but my current notebook has a quad-core i7
2013-04-24 06:04 <whitequark> it heats all the way up to 80 degrees Celsium!
2013-04-24 06:04 <wpwrak> that should help :)
2013-04-24 06:05 <viric> a good winter friend
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2013-04-24 06:05 <whitequark> viric: you mean "oh, not second-degree burns on my legs again"? :D
2013-04-24 06:05 <viric> :)
2013-04-24 06:05 <kyak> im already afraid of meeting you guys )
2013-04-24 06:05 <wpwrak> ah, designed for those long cold russian winters, when it's too cold to go to the vodka shop
2013-04-24 06:05 <whitequark> (no, not second-degree. but I did get a burn from it once.)
2013-04-24 06:06 <whitequark> I wonder if that's why its case is metal: the plastic simply melts
2013-04-24 06:06 <viric> kyak: :)
2013-04-24 06:06 <wpwrak> that's what happens if you put on only one set of asbestos underwear
2013-04-24 06:06 <viric> the plastic case of one friend's notebook quite melted
2013-04-24 06:07 <wpwrak> good engineering
2013-04-24 06:07 <whitequark> a notebook I got really long ago heated up so much that its VRAM has desoldered
2013-04-24 06:07 <whitequark> isn't that about 300 deg since RoHS?!
2013-04-24 06:07 <whitequark> and it did survive two or three times of resoldering it back
2013-04-24 06:07 <viric> and I heard of another one where the whole netbook got red as in forgery
2013-04-24 06:07 <viric> hm
2013-04-24 06:07 <viric> no
2013-04-24 06:07 <viric> bad word
2013-04-24 06:08 <viric> ковка
2013-04-24 06:08 <whitequark> viric: this is why you don't do liquid cooling with molten metal
2013-04-24 06:08 <whitequark> unless it's Hg
2013-04-24 06:08 <viric> :)
2013-04-24 06:09 <whitequark> or an eutectic Sodium-Potassium alloy (I think)
2013-04-24 06:09 <whitequark> ... or that lead-bismuth-why-you-arent-dead-yet allot
2013-04-24 06:09 <whitequark> *alloy
2013-04-24 06:09 <wpwrak> thermal management in notebooks is interesting. i'm sometimes surprised they work at all.
2013-04-24 06:10 <whitequark> wpwrak: I'm constantly surprised computers work at all
2013-04-24 06:10 <whitequark> but yeah :D
2013-04-24 06:10 <wpwrak> whitequark: stay away from the ones that use plutonium gas for cooling :)
2013-04-24 06:11 <whitequark> wpwrak: cloud computing in its essence!
2013-04-24 06:11 <whitequark> performed by clouds of vaporized silicon
2013-04-24 06:13 <wpwrak> now it makes sense !
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2013-04-24 06:25 <whitequark> hmmm, it just occured to me that if I assemble a step-up converter from 5V to 19V, I could continuously power and charge my notebook from this: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/browndoggadgets/folding-usb-solar-cell
2013-04-24 06:25 <whitequark> (I've backed the 10W version)
2013-04-24 06:25 <whitequark> on a sunny day indeed
2013-04-24 06:27 <whitequark> given that these critters now have effciency of 90-95%
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2013-04-24 07:07 <larsc> hm, something is broken `git commit` uses 100% cpu and 500MB of memory
2013-04-24 07:08 <whitequark> gdb it!
2013-04-24 07:08 <whitequark> or even strace
2013-04-24 07:10 <larsc> brk, brk, brk, then nothing
2013-04-24 07:11 <whitequark> it's brken.
2013-04-24 07:12 <larsc> doing a repack now, lets see if that fixes things
2013-04-24 07:13 <larsc> nope
2013-04-24 07:13 <whitequark> (gdb) bt ?
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2013-04-24 07:17 <larsc> I don't have debugging symbols built into my git
2013-04-24 07:19 <whitequark> oh.
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2013-04-24 07:21 <larsc> seems to be stuck in remove_redundant
2013-04-24 07:22 <larsc> well it will succeed eventually, but it takes a few minutes
2013-04-24 07:23 <larsc> funny, seems to be my branch
2013-04-24 07:23 <larsc> on a different branch everything is fine
2013-04-24 07:30 <larsc> hm, a rebased fixed it
2013-04-24 07:32 <whitequark> when in doubt, randomly rebase
2013-04-24 07:36 <lindi-> whitequark: thanks for noticing the nvidia optimus update btw, I forwarded the info to the original asker
2013-04-24 07:38 <whitequark> lindi-: mmm what? I didn't reply to anyone... was just bored
2013-04-24 07:40 <lindi-> whitequark: well, the question was asked 10 months ago and you know what Linus replied :)
2013-04-24 07:40 <lindi-> whitequark: and I only found about about this update when I read your comment yesterday
2013-04-24 07:41 <larsc> to the original asker from the recordings?
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2013-04-24 08:12 <lindi-> larsc: yes
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2013-04-24 18:20 <bitHipy> Can any linux-based netbooks drive 2 exterinal displays?
2013-04-24 18:28 <larsc> that obviously depends on the hardware used on the netbook
2013-04-24 18:32 <mog> bitHipy, my thinkpad x120e can do that
2013-04-24 18:32 <mog> its tiny
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2013-04-24 18:40 <bitHipy> mog: are there 2 video cards in that?  or would it need an expresscard video card?
2013-04-24 18:40 <mog> it has a vga and an hdmi port
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2013-04-24 18:40 <mog> but you can only push so many pixels off the graphics card
2013-04-24 18:41 <mog> im not sure what the max number is though off the top of my head
2013-04-24 18:41 <mog> but ive pushed a monitor and an 800x600 projector off of it before
2013-04-24 18:43 <whitequark> most stupid intel cards can push out smth like 4096x4096
2013-04-24 18:46 <viric> that reminds me of a unichrome card I have in an AMD Sempron 2600
2013-04-24 18:46 <viric> The xorg module does a memory speed test
2013-04-24 18:46 <viric> and reports 60MB/s
2013-04-24 18:46 <viric> isn't that very slow?
2013-04-24 18:47 <viric> what are ram speeds these days, in MB/s?
2013-04-24 18:59 <larsc> 60MB/s is like harddrive speed, isn't it?
2013-04-24 19:02 <viric> slower.
2013-04-24 19:02 <viric> :)
2013-04-24 19:02 <johnnyonflame> larsc, my hdd can do 100~
2013-04-24 19:03 <viric> I remember seeing some Xeon tests recently.... reporting RAM at ~60MB/s
2013-04-24 19:05 <viric> hm it maybe was 60GB/s? :)
2013-04-24 19:06 <viric> I guess so
2013-04-24 19:06 <viric> but the video card memory speed thing I mention, reported 60MB/s...
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2013-04-24 20:32 <Jabedin> Would this be the appropriate place to ask about MIPS hardware design? If not, could anyone suggest a network & channel?
2013-04-24 20:33 <larsc> depends on which aspects you want to talk about
2013-04-24 20:38 <Jabedin> It's homework. Basically I'm to design a processor If (rs==rt) {rs = address of next instruction && rd = rt} {else PC+4 (skip to next instruction)}. I know how to do this using arithmetic operators, lw, sw, & beq. HOWEVER: it says I can't use lw, sw, or beq. I don't understand how I'm supposed to implement it without those...
2013-04-24 20:45 <larsc> I suppose you are supposed to implement the instruction in hw not in sw
2013-04-24 20:49 <Jabedin> I'm saying that I know how to implement lw sw & beq in hardware
2013-04-24 20:49 <Jabedin> but I'm not allowed to design a processor using those functionalities
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