2013-04-16 00:17 Markvilla has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 00:18 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 00:37 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 01:06 pcercuei: would you mind sharing the necessary bits? 2013-04-16 01:07 pcercuei: (udev) 2013-04-16 01:13 eintopf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-04-16 01:15 eintopf has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 01:15 security has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 01:17 megha has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-04-16 01:27 emeb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2013-04-16 01:28 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-04-16 01:28 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 01:29 DocScrutinizer05: sure 2013-04-16 01:30 /etc/udev/rules.d/50-power.rules contains this: 2013-04-16 01:30 SUBSYSTEM=="power_supply", ACTION=="change", RUN+="/usr/local/sbin/laptop_mode.sh" 2013-04-16 01:31 /usr/local/sbin/laptop_mode.sh contains this: http://pastebin.com/GwMmNacz 2013-04-16 01:32 that script could be improved a lot but I was lazy :p 2013-04-16 01:36 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2013-04-16 01:36 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 02:06 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 02:07 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 02:31 Calyp_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 02:33 Calyp has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-04-16 02:34 thanks :-D 2013-04-16 03:02 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2013-04-16 03:02 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 03:16 pcercuei: also thanks 2013-04-16 03:16 debian kinda has these rules but they're sloppy on this laptop 2013-04-16 03:17 or maybe it just has crappy ACPI, i.e. it has ACPI 2013-04-16 03:17 * whitequark is trying to install VisualAge Smalltalk 8.5 Enterprise **EVALUATION** 2013-04-16 03:18 how do i launch this i have no idea 2013-04-16 03:20 nice, McKinsey & Co. in a box :) 2013-04-16 03:28 wpwrak: huh? :) 2013-04-16 03:34 enterprise evaluation :) 2013-04-16 04:10 unclouded has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 04:15 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-04-16 04:17 Markvilla has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 2013-04-16 05:01 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2013-04-16 05:12 security is now known as megha 2013-04-16 05:51 wpwrak: :D 2013-04-16 06:34 VA Smalltalk Enterprise Manager, library 2013-04-16 06:34 * whitequark sighs 2013-04-16 06:37 whitequark: why do you do this? 2013-04-16 06:39 several reasons 2013-04-16 06:40 smalltalk's object model is the basis of ruby's, with some extensions. I'm interested how it works out in smalltalk. 2013-04-16 06:40 second, the whole "let's not talk about source code ever again" model is unusual and interesting to me 2013-04-16 06:40 I'm not convinced it is superior but it is at least worth investigating 2013-04-16 06:41 third, VA Smalltalk was widely regarded as one of the most advanced programming environments of its time, and, partially, of today 2013-04-16 06:42 aha, launched it. of course it does not respect DPI settings. my eyes :/ 2013-04-16 06:43 so far it looks like a weird mix of Eclipse and Delphi 2013-04-16 06:43 and it exclusively uses xlib for rendering 2013-04-16 06:43 this is... really painful. 2013-04-16 06:46 ... 2013-04-16 06:46 no, Eclipse and Delphi look like bad spinoffs of VA St :) 2013-04-16 06:47 especially the latter, I mean, down to the component icons 2013-04-16 06:47 yea, that's what I'd have imagined 2013-04-16 06:49 ah, right, Eclipse is actually an evolution of VA St 2013-04-16 06:49 all inside IBM 2013-04-16 06:49 again, literally down to the icons. I wonder what's up with them. It's not like it's hard to draw several 16x16 pictograms?.. 2013-04-16 06:59 grrr why does it constantly crash 2013-04-16 07:12 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2013-04-16 07:22 jluis|work has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 07:23 so it is indeed very similar to eclipse ;) 2013-04-16 07:23 larsc: :D 2013-04-16 07:35 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 07:46 LunaVorax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-04-16 07:57 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 07:57 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 08:23 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 09:16 security has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 09:17 megha has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2013-04-16 09:40 Calyp_ is now known as Calyp 2013-04-16 09:41 Calyp has quit [Changing host] 2013-04-16 09:41 Calyp has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 10:30 lkcl has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-04-16 10:46 lkcl has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 11:07 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 11:37 I wonder, how does one write code in the VA St 2013-04-16 11:37 I *still* can't figure it out 2013-04-16 11:43 damn this interface >_< 2013-04-16 11:43 now it shows me that my code is broken, but how do I look at the message 2013-04-16 11:55 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2013-04-16 11:58 freemor has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 12:19 ahh 2013-04-16 12:19 you aren't even supposed to write code 2013-04-16 12:19 you connect, er, stuff to stuff with arrows 2013-04-16 12:19 and sometimes the arrow signifies a method call, and you can connect another arrow to this arrow, and this would be a an argument 2013-04-16 12:19 it's pretty cool actually. like data-flow graphs. 2013-04-16 12:20 I think this can actually be way easier to grasp for some engineers... or it definitely was back in '80s 2013-04-16 12:20 http://i.imgur.com/zmvu6er.png 2013-04-16 12:21 so the Add -> OrderedCollection arrow is the "add:" method call, which accepts a single argument, "anObject" 2013-04-16 12:21 and the field -> (Add -> OrderedCollection) arrow connects the "object" of the field to "anObject" of the visualized method call 2013-04-16 12:32 "Programming for cavepeople, Lesson 1: arrows and stones" :) 2013-04-16 12:33 wpwrak: disagree 2013-04-16 12:34 95% of GUI programming is trivial 2013-04-16 12:34 I'd rather do it visually than write tons of boilerplate 2013-04-16 12:34 FWIW, Qt follows the same concept, except it's kinda dumbed down 2013-04-16 12:34 several orders of magnitude :) 2013-04-16 12:34 every sane toolkit does 2013-04-16 12:34 larsc: C++ Builder didn't :) 2013-04-16 12:35 the emphasis is on _sane_ 2013-04-16 12:35 Delphi, etc. neither Swing, neither AWT, .. 2013-04-16 12:35 :D 2013-04-16 12:36 dandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-04-16 12:38 considering that few guis have evolved beyond the capabilities of the 3270 terminal, perhaps that's not surprising :) 2013-04-16 12:41 dandon has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 12:52 urgh, is that motif? 2013-04-16 12:54 IBM VisualAge, bringing windows 95 graphics to 2013 2013-04-16 12:54 lekernel: syntax doesn't matter, gui style doesn't matter, etc 2013-04-16 12:54 and yeah it is motif :D 2013-04-16 12:54 doesn't it predate win95? 2013-04-16 12:57 motif ? oh yes 2013-04-16 12:58 though you couldn't tell by its daringly progressive "3D" look 2013-04-16 12:58 :D 2013-04-16 12:59 but they did everything right. it was slow, and initially closed source, then semi-open source 2013-04-16 13:00 oh, and it appears they then hurriedly open sourced it. already in 2012. that was quick 2013-04-16 13:02 http://www.marutan.net/cde/ 2013-04-16 13:02 ... so they collected the signatures in 2006 2013-04-16 13:02 and in 2012 the open ("open"?) group open-sourced it 2013-04-16 13:02 timely response, so typical for committee-based process 2013-04-16 13:03 News flash: Egypt considers permitting daguerreography of the pyramids :) 2013-04-16 13:08 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 13:13 security has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2013-04-16 13:15 wpwrak: :D 2013-04-16 13:29 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 13:38 erikkugel has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 13:47 unclouded has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-04-16 13:52 larsc: hi, have you ever worked with linux' input code? 2013-04-16 13:53 pcercuei: http://www.linusakesson.net/programming/tty/ 2013-04-16 13:54 might be relevant 2013-04-16 13:56 thanks, but that's not really what I'm looking for 2013-04-16 13:58 pcercuei: a bit 2013-04-16 13:59 the input device drivers are linked to handlers, that dispatch the events to the clients 2013-04-16 13:59 the handlers being evdev, joydev, mousedev etc 2013-04-16 13:59 yes 2013-04-16 14:00 what I'm trying to achieve, is to completely disconnect an input driver from all those handlers, from a different input driver 2013-04-16 14:00 why? 2013-04-16 14:01 the idea is to merge several drivers into one (gpio-keys plus jz-sadc into one joystick) 2013-04-16 14:02 so that the userspace sees only one joystick, while the events are generated from different drivers 2013-04-16 14:03 with a new input driver, connected to joydev, that acts as a handler itself and redirect the events 2013-04-16 14:04 I see 2013-04-16 14:05 and have no idea 2013-04-16 14:06 hmm. ok :) 2013-04-16 14:41 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2013-04-16 14:43 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 15:10 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2013-04-16 15:13 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2013-04-16 15:14 security has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 15:14 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 15:26 heh, two suggestions to use http://www.pharo-project.org/home already 2013-04-16 15:27 whitequark: is this your ruby thing? 2013-04-16 15:27 viric: no no 2013-04-16 15:28 responses to my tweet about my first visualage smalltalk program :) 2013-04-16 15:28 aah ok 2013-04-16 15:28 the ruby thing finally has a... website... at http://foundry-lang.org/ :) 2013-04-16 15:28 Jurting_pc2 has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 15:28 Smaltallk 2013-04-16 15:28 heh 2013-04-16 15:39 in texas, they use Bigtalk 2013-04-16 15:46 security is now known as megha 2013-04-16 15:54 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 15:57 freemor has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2013-04-16 16:08 Calyp has quit [Quit: gone working on freeconomy =o)] 2013-04-16 16:19 LunaVorax has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-04-16 16:38 DocScrutinizer51 has left #qi-hardware ["ooops, this closebutton is nasty"] 2013-04-16 17:03 rz2k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-04-16 17:03 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 17:14 wej has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2013-04-16 17:18 Jurting_pc2 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-04-16 17:22 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 18:32 viric_ has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 18:32 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2013-04-16 18:41 viric_ is now known as viric 2013-04-16 18:57 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 19:00 megha has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2013-04-16 19:08 megha has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 19:10 megha has quit [Excess Flood] 2013-04-16 19:12 megha has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 20:30 kuribas has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 21:00 erikkugel has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2013-04-16 21:09 lekernel has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2013-04-16 22:25 LunaVorax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2013-04-16 22:46 rz2k has quit [] 2013-04-16 22:54 bzb has joined #qi-hardware 2013-04-16 23:13 kuribas has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)] 2013-04-16 23:13 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]