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2013-03-19 00:32 <mwcampbell> Is it true that the Ben has a built-in microphone as well as a speaker?
2013-03-19 00:41 <kristianpaul> yup
2013-03-19 00:43 <mwcampbell> Is audio part of the XBurst SoC, or is it provided by a separate hardware component?
2013-03-19 00:45 <kristianpaul> I think is part of the SoC yes
2013-03-19 00:47 <mwcampbell> Has anyone measured the minimum latency of audio I/O on the Ben, particularly when audio is going in both directions at the same time?
2013-03-19 00:47 <mwcampbell> (presumably using headphones for output, to avoid feedback)
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2013-03-19 01:08 <kristianpaul> hmm dunno, i remenber some discussion on the mailing list but not sure if that included audio latency
2013-03-19 01:12 <mwcampbell> Does the stock OpenWrt image on the Ben have Ethernet-over-USB and telnetd enabled by default?
2013-03-19 01:16 <kristianpaul> just first time you run it
2013-03-19 01:17 <kristianpaul> so you can set root passwd if i remenber well
2013-03-19 01:19 <mwcampbell> So on the first boot, if I've connected the Ben to a Linux PC and set up the host according to the USB Ethernet instructions, I'll be able to telnet into the Ben without having to do anything on the device's console?
2013-03-19 01:19 <mwcampbell> (except power it on of course)
2013-03-19 01:24 <kristianpaul> yes you should
2013-03-19 01:25 <kristianpaul> ha lovelly http://www.pvv.org/~oma/DeepC_Scandev_Mar2013.pdf
2013-03-19 01:27 <mwcampbell> Given that the keyboard is so small, I wonder how many words per minute one can type on it, and whether it can be done effectively by touch only.
2013-03-19 01:27 <mwcampbell> (I get my Ben in a few days)
2013-03-19 01:29 <kristianpaul> ah good (got Ben), wellcome  :-)!
2013-03-19 01:29 <kristianpaul> i dint wrote too much on mine so i cant said honestly
2013-03-19 01:29 <unclouded> I prefer the Ben's keyboard to that of my N900 but it's not the same as a real keyboard of course
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2013-03-19 01:51 <mwcampbell> Did the Ben's price increase sometime in the past year? I read a couple of places that it was $99, but I got mine for $149 from Sharism.
2013-03-19 01:55 <mwcampbell> Also, just curious, is Sharism the manufacturer or simply the main distributor?
2013-03-19 02:01 <kristianpaul> yes it was 99 before
2013-03-19 02:02 <kristianpaul> sharism/qi-hw actually free the device specs, electronic diagrams, software ports
2013-03-19 02:02 <kristianpaul> but the device was not design by sharism it self
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2013-03-19 02:06 <mwcampbell> I just found the mailing list post from last May when the price increase was announced. Good to know they have a third product in the works.
2013-03-19 02:07 <mwcampbell> I briefly thought about buying the Milkymist One since the core is completely open, but a pocket computer interested me more than a video synthesizer.
2013-03-19 02:07 <mwcampbell> plus the Milkymist is expensive
2013-03-19 02:08 <kristianpaul> Why you buyed the Ben?
2013-03-19 02:09 <mwcampbell> I'm interested in a pocket computer that's designed to be hacked, as opposed to a locked-down, proprietary device.
2013-03-19 02:09 <mwcampbell> I'm not sure what application(s) I will write for it yet
2013-03-19 02:09 <mwcampbell> probably something involving audio
2013-03-19 02:10 <mwcampbell> I'm not a hardware hacker, though I've done low-level assembler coding in the past
2013-03-19 02:11 <mwcampbell> (a long time ago, on an Apple IIGS, and then some x86 assembler on the PC)
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2013-03-19 02:22 <mwcampbell> I wonder how many NanoNotes Sharism/Qi-Hardware had to commit to making and selling in order to get the price as low as it is. Just curious about how all that works.
2013-03-19 02:23 <mwcampbell> I have a product idea that could be done with that SoC but would require a somewhat different hardware design (different keyboard, maybe no screen)
2013-03-19 02:24 <mwcampbell> The idea is a pocket computer designed for blind people, using a braille keyboard (total of 9 keys)
2013-03-19 02:25 <kristianpaul> I remenber i heard orders about of thousands per batch, no sure, altought if that amount really can keep prices low to be honest.
2013-03-19 02:25 <mwcampbell> These things already exist. They're usually called note-takers, because they were first used for taking notes, especially by blind students, though more recent ones have PDA-like functionality
2013-03-19 02:25 <mwcampbell> the existing devices in this category are mostly Windows CE based, and expensive
2013-03-19 02:28 <mwcampbell> When I get my Ben, one of the first things I'll do is find out if it can run the espeak text-to-speech program
2013-03-19 02:33 <mwcampbell> Anyone know of a way to add Bluetooth to the Ben?
2013-03-19 03:28 <kristianpaul> since the lack of usb host, just remain a serial port or UBB bit banging
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2013-03-19 03:45 <kristianpaul> n8
2013-03-19 03:45 <kristianpaul> gn8*
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2013-03-19 04:05 <kyak> mwcampbell: i suggest that you start with exploration of existing capabilities
2013-03-19 04:06 <kyak> fo example it ships with flute
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2013-03-19 04:07 <kyak> wgich btw is integrated with qstardict
2013-03-19 04:08 <kyak> i mean, dont waste your time inventing a wheel
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2013-03-19 04:53 <kyak> oh, that would be flite
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2013-03-19 15:10 <kristianpaul> whitequark: yup they are
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2013-03-19 22:18 <whitequark> https://github.com/stacksmith/fpgasm
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2013-03-19 22:48 <lekernel> wolfspraul, https://github.com/stacksmith/fpgasm
2013-03-19 22:48 <lekernel> oops
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2013-03-19 22:52 <whitequark> hm
2013-03-19 22:52 <whitequark> it seems to be a lower-level variant of verilog
2013-03-19 22:53 <whitequark> not sure what the point is
2013-03-19 22:57 <lekernel> no proprietary synthesis, mapping and p&r
2013-03-19 22:58 <lekernel> just proprietary xdl->bitstream
2013-03-19 22:58 <whitequark> lekernel: source?
2013-03-19 22:59 <whitequark> it strikes me as having extremely simple source for the project of such scale
2013-03-19 23:00 <lekernel> https://github.com/stacksmith/fpgasm/wiki/Getting-started
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2013-03-19 23:01 <whitequark> I mean it's 2.5 KLOC of C++
2013-03-19 23:01 <whitequark> I significantly doubt it does anything interesting on its own
2013-03-19 23:01 * whitequark is browsing the source right now
2013-03-19 23:02 <lekernel> it smoothes away some xdl ugliness
2013-03-19 23:02 <lekernel> not sure if c++
2013-03-19 23:02 <lekernel> is so much better though ;)
2013-03-19 23:03 <whitequark> lekernel: the source is horrible but that's not the point
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