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2013-03-18 01:10 <mwcampbell> The Ben NanoNote can act as a USB device but not as a USB host, correct?
2013-03-18 01:14 <unclouded> as standard, yes.  some have experimented with USB HOST via extra hardware plugged in to the uSD slot
2013-03-18 01:19 <mwcampbell> What USB device classes can be implemented on the Ben?
2013-03-18 01:20 <mwcampbell> Is it just charging and serial console, or is there a USB device implementation in the kernel?
2013-03-18 01:21 <unclouded> sorry I don't know.  it supports USB networking out of the box
2013-03-18 01:21 <mwcampbell> ah OK
2013-03-18 01:21 <mwcampbell> Does it hcarge the battery via USB?
2013-03-18 01:22 <unclouded> yes
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2013-03-18 05:38 <kyak> viric: thanks!
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2013-03-18 13:40 <Fallenou> whitequark: I just googled something, and I ended up on stackoverflow ... on your answer :)
2013-03-18 13:40 <Fallenou> the web is small
2013-03-18 13:41 <Fallenou> http://superuser.com/questions/99635/cant-execute-a-script-on-a-mounted-external-drive
2013-03-18 13:41 <Fallenou> thanks for the answer ;)
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2013-03-18 14:19 <whitequark> Fallenou: yeah :)
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2013-03-18 15:27 <kyak> viric: awesome idea with css for feed_unread!
2013-03-18 15:27 <kyak> guess we should utilize css more
2013-03-18 15:29 <viric> haha
2013-03-18 15:30 <viric> without css, it looks quite bad
2013-03-18 15:34 <kyak> yeah, i made it red
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2013-03-18 16:28 <Calyp> http://www.ifixit.com/
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2013-03-18 17:24 <kyak> viric: another small patch :)
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2013-03-18 18:27 <viric> kyak: patch rejected ;)  You didn't write a button
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2013-03-18 18:42 <kyak> viric: i know, but it's the way the other links are handled
2013-03-18 18:43 <kyak> hmm
2013-03-18 18:44 <kyak> crawlers? do you expose your feeds to the Internet? :)
2013-03-18 18:44 <kyak> lol, they will indeed follow it and mark your feeds as read
2013-03-18 18:44 <whitequark> if you do, PLEASE make sure you do not invoke any destructive actions on GET
2013-03-18 18:44 <kyak> that's funny
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2013-03-18 18:45 <kyak> this is kinds what happens, whitequark :)
2013-03-18 18:45 <whitequark> I've been bitten by that, a delete link for a torrent web frontend which responded to GET
2013-03-18 18:45 <whitequark> fucking PHP
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2013-03-18 18:45 <kyak> first two links, then a button
2013-03-18 18:46 <kyak> wondering why crawlers are not followign buttons though
2013-03-18 18:46 <kyak> perhaps some do?
2013-03-18 18:46 <whitequark> kyak: that's hardcoded
2013-03-18 18:46 <whitequark> crawlers only do GETs.
2013-03-18 18:47 <whitequark> well, unless they are malicious.
2013-03-18 18:47 <whitequark> Rails has a js plugin which makes the link send a POST when you click on it, or PUT/DELETE if that's semantic.
2013-03-18 18:47 <whitequark> you might want to employ this technique too.
2013-03-18 18:47 <kyak> wait a second.. all of these button are GET :)
2013-03-18 18:48 <whitequark> then crawlers might follow them.
2013-03-18 18:48 <kyak> and they probably will
2013-03-18 18:48 <kyak> viric: all your feeds are belong to crawlers ;)
2013-03-18 18:49 <whitequark> this is webdev 101 ;)
2013-03-18 18:49 <kyak> well.. there are individual "mark as read" button per each item - which are also GET
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2013-03-18 18:50 <whitequark> also here is a nice overview of attacks which will be applied to your webapp if it is ever exposed to the public internet: http://guides.rubyonrails.org/security.html
2013-03-18 18:50 <viric> kyak: but crawlers don't follow form buttons
2013-03-18 18:51 <kyak> viric: how about making all three links on the main page as buttons?
2013-03-18 18:51 <viric> ok, but we should write some function that writes buttons easily
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2013-03-18 18:52 <kyak> yeah, there are plentyfull of bad things that can happen, but i really don't plan to expose it to internet. and i don't have too. At worst, i'll be running it on my server and tunneling the thing via ssh
2013-03-18 18:53 <kyak> viric: yeah, buttons handling is bad now.. Mainly because we need to construct the whole query, as i mentioned before - so each button form has inputs for all other possible states
2013-03-18 18:54 <viric> but that can be made a function
2013-03-18 18:54 <viric> I'm busy with another thing now though :)
2013-03-18 18:54 <kyak> sure, it makes sense
2013-03-18 18:54 <kyak> are the params of the function fixed? like the first one is "show read", second "local images" so on?
2013-03-18 18:55 <kyak> just passing booleans to this function
2013-03-18 18:55 <kyak> or maybe pass "param-value" as text?
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2013-03-18 19:09 <whitequark> fuck
2013-03-18 19:09 <whitequark> rumor has it that they (the govt, bribed by 3G operators in Moscow) want to withdraw the rights to the 4G spectrum from the only sane operator
2013-03-18 19:10 <whitequark> if that happens I'm fucking leaving this fucking country
2013-03-18 19:10 <whitequark> http://www.vedomosti.ru/tech/news/10077971/chastoty_yota_zaputalis_v_sude?utm_source=twitter&utm_media=post&utm_campaign=vedomosti&utm_content=link :(((
2013-03-18 19:11 <whitequark> because the spectrum apparently should have been auctioned or whatever
2013-03-18 19:11 <kyak> ЭРОС ^)
2013-03-18 19:11 <whitequark> they already did that once, removing the WiMAX spectrum from the same operator. they proceeded to give an LTE modem to each of their clients, by courier, in a few days
2013-03-18 19:11 <whitequark> I don't even want to know how much did that cost
2013-03-18 19:14 <kyak> so what's going to happen? The spectrum, which is now solely owned by one company (for not so obvious reasons), will be auctioned
2013-03-18 19:14 <whitequark> this probably was the only thing made in Russia of which I was truly proud. argh.
2013-03-18 19:15 <whitequark> kyak: you don't understand
2013-03-18 19:15 <whitequark> for more than 15 years a cartel of three operators exist. MTS, Beeline and Megafon
2013-03-18 19:15 <kyak> indeed
2013-03-18 19:15 <whitequark> they do everything possible in order to forbid anyone else from entering the moscow market
2013-03-18 19:15 <whitequark> Tele2 e.g.
2013-03-18 19:15 <kyak> also true
2013-03-18 19:15 <whitequark> Yota is very obviously a threat to them
2013-03-18 19:16 <whitequark> I heard Yota has planned a VoLTE service
2013-03-18 19:16 <whitequark> this was probably a fatal decision for them
2013-03-18 19:16 <whitequark> it is well known that spectrum auctions here are unfair, at best, or rigged
2013-03-18 19:16 <kyak> i'm not sure about that.. Yota was not doing well recently.. They closed several of their services, like Yota music
2013-03-18 19:17 <kyak> the quality of their service is also degrading, as i hear
2013-03-18 19:17 <whitequark> (unfair because you e.g. cannot start deploy your network if you don't have spectrum, *and* you have to pay for spectrum even while the network isn't deployed)
2013-03-18 19:17 <whitequark> kyak: degrading? not so, it is very good, from my experience
2013-03-18 19:17 <kyak> and it's not quite clear why a single company owns the spectrum anyway..
2013-03-18 19:17 <whitequark> that's a solid 1Mbit practically everywhere in the city
2013-03-18 19:17 <kyak> so it wasnt right from the very beginning
2013-03-18 19:18 <whitequark> before you start about "right things", please proceed to disband the cartel.
2013-03-18 19:18 <whitequark> otherwise it's plain hypocritical.
2013-03-18 19:18 <kyak> Yota is the same "band". .nothing different
2013-03-18 19:18 <whitequark> yes, there IS a difference
2013-03-18 19:18 <kyak> so it's just another fight between bandits
2013-03-18 19:19 <whitequark> namely yota doesn't try to rob ME. they offer a great service for sane price.
2013-03-18 19:19 <kyak> they are fighting for the money, we get to watch
2013-03-18 19:19 <whitequark> I don't fucking care
2013-03-18 19:20 <whitequark> I don't know if you're right about the rights to the spectrum or not
2013-03-18 19:20 <kyak> if they had a competitor, the price would be completely different. have a look at cable providers. I'm paying the same price for 8 years now, and my speed increased from 128 kbit to 80 mbit
2013-03-18 19:20 <whitequark> it might be either way
2013-03-18 19:20 <whitequark> kyak: um what? it's the cartel which should have a competitor
2013-03-18 19:21 <whitequark> and they obviously see one and try to deal with it
2013-03-18 19:22 <kyak> yes, they should have a competitor as well, i agree
2013-03-18 19:22 <kyak> everyone should have a competitor
2013-03-18 19:23 <whitequark> Yota is good enough so that I bought a $450 smartphone specifically to use with their spectrum
2013-03-18 19:23 <whitequark> it would be a pity if they die before I have a chance on that :D
2013-03-18 19:24 <kyak> what's that beast you got? :)
2013-03-18 19:24 <whitequark> LGE971, basically Nexus 4 with LG firmware and LTE
2013-03-18 19:24 <whitequark> will reflash to cyanogenmod obviously
2013-03-18 19:24 <kyak> you will have a chance if you come visit Sochi.. probably
2013-03-18 19:24 <whitequark> hm?
2013-03-18 19:25 <kyak> there are plans to deploy LTE there
2013-03-18 19:25 <whitequark> Megafon already has LTE AFAIK
2013-03-18 19:25 <whitequark> but it's nowhere near Yota
2013-03-18 19:25 <whitequark> plus it arrives tomorrow so...
2013-03-18 19:25 <kyak> hm.. what;s so different?
2013-03-18 19:26 <whitequark> kyak: yota is strictly unlimited, no traffic shaping (download torrents or stream video as long as you want), and you pay for the reserved bandwidth
2013-03-18 19:26 <whitequark> which you can update at any moment
2013-03-18 19:26 <whitequark> megafon obviously has much stricter and less advantageous to me options
2013-03-18 19:28 <kyak> btw, does Yota work in the metro?
2013-03-18 19:28 <whitequark> kyak: nope, but neither does any operator except Beeline
2013-03-18 19:28 <whitequark> and Beeline's service is sub-par everywhere, much so in the metro.
2013-03-18 19:32 <kyak> well, i'm sure yota is going to be just fine there.. The people behind it are not simpletons as well
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2013-03-18 21:30 <mwcampbell> I read that the battery life of the Ben has been measured at about 13 hours when the computer is turned on and idle, with the screen off. That doesn't seem like good battery life for an idle system. Is there any potential for improving power management at the OS level?
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2013-03-18 21:33 <larsc> well you can always suspend the system, in suspend the battery lasts a few weeks
2013-03-18 21:34 <mwcampbell> ah, I didn't know the Ben had a suspend mode.
2013-03-18 21:35 <larsc> newer kernels even have that android optimistic suspend support, so the system goes to suspend when it is idle
2013-03-18 21:46 <mwcampbell> How can the Ben be awakened from its suspended state? Does it have to be via the keyboard, or can it also be triggered by a timer or microSDIO card?
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2013-03-18 22:10 <Jurting_pc2> Family photo: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/27664071/pic/rand/CIMG1046_lq.JPG :3
2013-03-18 22:12 <Jurting_pc2> Too bad my school netbook is in school, otherwise i would have had a 10" too :P
2013-03-18 22:17 <mwcampbell> I read that the Ben can be overclocked. So can it be underclocked, too? And if so, would that increase the battery life by much?
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2013-03-18 23:21 <pcercuei> mwcampbell: I have numbers for the A320 which has a very similar hardware
2013-03-18 23:21 <mwcampbell> What is the A320 in this context?
2013-03-18 23:22 <pcercuei> http://wiki.dingoonity.org/index.php?title=OpenDingux:Development#Power_consumption_measurements
2013-03-18 23:22 <pcercuei> dingoo A320, a chinese handheld gaming console
2013-03-18 23:23 <pcercuei> running a custom Linux distribution
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2013-03-18 23:24 <mwcampbell> BTW, I'm a little confused about what Qi Hardware is. Is Qi Hardware a company, or simply the name of the community?
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