2013-03-15 00:11 <wpwrak> whitequark: memory is somewhat slow, yes. i don't recall the exact numbers but at least your memory frequency sounds pausible. but i wasn't even referring to memory bandwidth but to memory size.
2013-03-15 00:11 <wpwrak> (good air) you're in china now ? :)
2013-03-15 00:14 <whitequark> wpwrak: mooooscowww
2013-03-15 00:14 <whitequark> but yes I did think of china for a minute
2013-03-15 00:15 <whitequark> (memory size) yeah, 32 is too low for realistic linux in 2012 :/
2013-03-15 00:15 <whitequark> er 2013 already
2013-03-15 00:16 <wpwrak> it was even a great struggle to get urjtag to run on the ben. had to enable swap to compressed ram.
2013-03-15 00:17 <wpwrak> (urjtag uses a particularly memory-hungry approach for sending xilinx bitstreams)
2013-03-15 00:17 <whitequark> yeah I remember that
2013-03-15 00:18 <whitequark> right now there's a great deal of activity for integrating mips16 in llvm
2013-03-15 00:18 <whitequark> I wonder how much that would save on ben, considering it'd support mips16
2013-03-15 00:19 <whitequark> (it's like thumb/arm, there's a trivial expansion step before instruction decoder)
2013-03-15 00:19 <whitequark> I also wonder who the fuck needs mips anymore
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2013-03-15 14:37 <lekernel> hi wolfspraul
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2013-03-15 15:14 <lekernel> wolfspraul, someone emailed me about buying a M1 and sharism.cc being down - what's your actual position on this? are you still selling M1s or not?
2013-03-15 15:15 <lekernel> I'm fine with either answer, and thanks for everything you have done for this project - I just want to know what I should tell him...
2013-03-15 15:15 <lekernel> if you don't reply within a week I will assume you don't.
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2013-03-15 15:21 <whitequark> lekernel: he did sell an M1 here to someone, quite recently
2013-03-15 15:23 <lekernel> yes, but I got that email on Tuesday - after that IRC discussion. I forwarded it to wolfspraul, no reply yet...
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2013-03-15 15:53 <kyak> viric: google reader is officially shutting down
2013-03-15 15:54 <kyak> probably it's a good chance to think about migrating to something i can really control.. i don't want to rely on another web-site
2013-03-15 15:55 <kyak> how is offrss doing? :)
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2013-03-15 16:06 <viric> kyak: perfect :)
2013-03-15 16:07 <viric> kyak: that's what I use at least.
2013-03-15 16:07 <viric> it doesn't feature 'stars' or things like that though.
2013-03-15 16:22 <kyak> don't need this crap
2013-03-15 16:23 <kyak> do you "mark all as read" feature? :) i use this one very often
2013-03-15 16:24 <kyak> anyway, will try to build now.. not yet sure how i want it to run - all on my laptop and update feeds manually or have it run on my server...
2013-03-15 16:25 <kyak> i don't need to access it from other locations (or very rarely), so probably i will just run it locally for now
2013-03-15 16:43 <kyak> i wish it would understand opml format though..
2013-03-15 16:46 <kyak> viric: for now i'm using the feedurls.txt like you shown in "Usage"
2013-03-15 16:46 <kyak> there is an error: offrss: offrss.c:128: open_meta: Assertion `f != ((void *)0)' failed.
2013-03-15 16:46 <viric> isn't opml a mess?
2013-03-15 16:46 <viric> auhm
2013-03-15 16:46 <viric> what a bad software. :)
2013-03-15 16:46 <kyak> and then "Wrong format version in files/dilbert/feedinfo"
2013-03-15 16:46 <viric> ha. I'll try
2013-03-15 16:47 <viric> do you use trunk?
2013-03-15 16:47 <viric> ah 1.3 is latest
2013-03-15 16:47 <kyak> viric: opml is basically is just xml.. perhaps it's a mess, i don't know - but it's an "industry standard" for RSS :) i don't see it a big problem, i can convert opml to offrss format though..
2013-03-15 16:47 <kyak> im usin 1.3
2013-03-15 16:48 <viric> ah you started "-w" without "-u" before?
2013-03-15 16:48 <kyak> ok, it updated
2013-03-15 16:48 <kyak> yes
2013-03-15 16:48 <kyak> this is what i did :))
2013-03-15 16:48 <kyak> i then i pressed "update" in web ui
2013-03-15 16:48 <viric> ah
2013-03-15 16:48 <viric> and you got wrong format?
2013-03-15 16:48 <viric> hm
2013-03-15 16:49 <kyak> it's back to normal now
2013-03-15 16:49 <viric> ah
2013-03-15 16:49 <viric> :)
2013-03-15 16:49 <kyak> but i think i can reproduce it.. i'll try to remove files and run again
2013-03-15 16:50 <kyak> so yeah, just run offrss -w in a clean directory and press "Update feeds" in web ui
2013-03-15 16:50 <viric> I can't see the format thing. But the Assert yes
2013-03-15 16:50 <kyak> i don't see the format thing now as well :)
2013-03-15 16:50 <kyak> ok
2013-03-15 16:51 <kyak> you need to press "use remote images"
2013-03-15 16:51 <kyak> then you will see it
2013-03-15 16:51 <viric> Ok
2013-03-15 16:52 <viric> on dilbert?
2013-03-15 16:52 <viric> can't see it
2013-03-15 16:52 <kyak> yep
2013-03-15 16:52 <kyak> on dilbert
2013-03-15 16:52 <whitequark> uh rss fetcher in C
2013-03-15 16:52 <kyak> Error parsing url http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1486/angstvorclowns.jpg: curl error 28
2013-03-15 16:52 <whitequark> I wonder how much security holes it has
2013-03-15 16:52 <kyak> this is another message
2013-03-15 16:52 <viric> whitequark: noone knows
2013-03-15 16:53 <whitequark> viric: :(
2013-03-15 16:53 <viric> will fix once reported. :)
2013-03-15 16:53 <kyak> don't use rss feeds you don't trust :)
2013-03-15 16:53 <viric> kyak: ah yes, fails to download it I think.
2013-03-15 16:54 <viric> I've seen much more security holes in php than in offrss. ;)
2013-03-15 16:54 <viric> even ruby.
2013-03-15 16:54 <kyak> viric: sometimes it just sits in "Updating..." forever.. iguess it's because of errors
2013-03-15 16:54 <viric> kyak: network timeouts
2013-03-15 16:54 <viric> the timeout is hardcoded somewhere, if you don't have patience.
2013-03-15 16:55 <kyak> ok.. anyway.. let's see how it goes.. i've packaged offrss for arch linux in the meantime.. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/offrss/
2013-03-15 16:55 <viric> Ah brave
2013-03-15 16:55 <viric> o/
2013-03-15 16:55 <viric> are you an arch maintainer? or anyone can package that?
2013-03-15 16:55 <kyak> it's user repository
2013-03-15 16:55 <viric> ok
2013-03-15 16:56 <viric> haven't you added podofo? :)
2013-03-15 16:56 <kyak> nope :)
2013-03-15 16:56 <viric> It's a nice feature.
2013-03-15 16:56 <kyak> i decided to go one bit at a time
2013-03-15 16:56 <viric> :) ok
2013-03-15 16:56 <kyak> btw, i'm building as make PDF_CFLAGS= PDF_LDFLAGS= PDF_OBJECTS=
2013-03-15 16:56 <viric> fine
2013-03-15 16:56 <kyak> probably easir than to comment those things
2013-03-15 16:56 <viric> up to you
2013-03-15 16:57 <viric> Maybe I should use some USE_PODOFO=1 or so
2013-03-15 16:57 <kyak> oh yeah, would make sense
2013-03-15 17:01 <kyak> viric: is it possible to use spaces in "feedid"?
2013-03-15 17:01 <kyak> gives me some errors
2013-03-15 17:01 <viric> kyak: no. spaces separate from url
2013-03-15 17:02 <kyak> hmm
2013-03-15 17:02 <viric> kyak: updated the Makefile thing in trunk
2013-03-15 17:02 <kyak> thanks!
2013-03-15 17:03 <kyak> i see.. you use that as a file name
2013-03-15 17:03 <viric> yes
2013-03-15 17:04 <kyak> and you are blacklisting many symbols :)
2013-03-15 17:04 <viric> for people like whitequark
2013-03-15 17:04 <viric> :)
2013-03-15 17:05 <viric> I don't remember much of the code now. hehe
2013-03-15 17:05 <viric> it just worksf or me.
2013-03-15 17:05 <kyak> luckily, you don't have to remember the code for it to keep working :)
2013-03-15 17:06 <viric> nah, it's C.
2013-03-15 17:06 <viric> It's not like .. the server upgraded from php4 to php5, or python2 to python3, ...
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2013-03-15 17:15 <kyak> viric: luckily, you missed the '\t'
2013-03-15 17:15 <kyak> which works fine instead of the space :)
2013-03-15 17:16 <kyak> now i have "dilbert?arse" directory (or dilbert^Iarse)
2013-03-15 17:17 <kyak> no, probably not so fine
2013-03-15 17:17 <kyak> the tab gets swallowed in web interface
2013-03-15 17:20 <viric> ha
2013-03-15 17:20 <viric> :)
2013-03-15 17:20 <kyak> what google does.. is it uses the feed url in address bar, not feed name
2013-03-15 17:21 <viric> google?
2013-03-15 17:21 <kyak> gogole reader
2013-03-15 17:21 <viric> address bar?
2013-03-15 17:21 <kyak> yes..
2013-03-15 17:22 <kyak> i mean, you could use http://localhost:8090/http://feeds.feedburner.com/DilbertDailyStrip instead of http://localhost:8090/dilbert
2013-03-15 17:22 <kyak> of course, url encoded
2013-03-15 17:22 <viric> ah
2013-03-15 17:22 <viric> tricky google.
2013-03-15 17:22 <kyak> or even could use some internal auto-generated identifer
2013-03-15 17:23 <kyak> but these are fantasies..
2013-03-15 17:23 <viric> is this mess in order to get a unique string from opml?
2013-03-15 17:24 <kyak> i thought dilbert%20arse would work.. but it displays the literal string. ok
2013-03-15 17:24 <kyak> viric: i want to have spaces in feed names :)
2013-03-15 17:25 <kyak> likes "Films 2013"
2013-03-15 17:25 <viric> hm ok
2013-03-15 17:25 <viric> fair
2013-03-15 17:25 <viric> filesystems can handle spaces
2013-03-15 17:25 <kyak> not "Films_2013"
2013-03-15 17:25 <viric> I use underscore
2013-03-15 17:25 <viric> let me check
2013-03-15 17:34 <viric> I can reproduce the wrong forma
2013-03-15 17:35 <kyak> meanwhile, i was trying to exclude space from banned chars and use | as a separator of feed name and feed url.. but it breaks something - i see empty feeds
2013-03-15 17:36 <viric> kyak: https://viric.name/cgi-bin/offrss/info/91f9fc3e38
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2013-03-15 17:37 <kyak> lemme try this
2013-03-15 17:38 <kyak> what about char bad[]?
2013-03-15 17:38 <viric> annoying in bash
2013-03-15 17:39 <viric> let me check that blacklist :)
2013-03-15 17:39 <kyak> perfect, it works!
2013-03-15 17:40 <viric> the title_to_filename thing is not for your feed names
2013-03-15 17:40 <viric> it's for the posts
2013-03-15 17:40 <kyak> ah, ok
2013-03-15 17:40 <viric> kyak: https://viric.name/cgi-bin/offrss/info/539a77f2df and this is for the 'wrong file version' thing
2013-03-15 17:41 <kyak> viric: did you accumulate enough changes to bump a new version? :)
2013-03-15 17:41 <viric> hehe
2013-03-15 17:41 <viric> I'll make a new version if you test it more :)
2013-03-15 17:41 <kyak> or probably it's better to try it on some real data..
2013-03-15 17:41 <kyak> yeah, that;s what i meant
2013-03-15 17:42 <kyak> so now i'm off to convert opml file to offrss format
2013-03-15 17:44 <kyak> Error: not authorized to clonet: 0  received: 0
2013-03-15 17:44 <viric> no? ouch
2013-03-15 17:44 <kyak> when trying to fossil clone
2013-03-15 17:45 <viric> permissions updated
2013-03-15 17:45 <viric> you are good at finding problems
2013-03-15 17:45 <viric> thank you :)
2013-03-15 17:45 <kyak> interesting
2013-03-15 17:45 <kyak> the first time i see fossil.. it returned me some kind of "password"
2013-03-15 17:45 <kyak> should i keep it?
2013-03-15 17:46 <viric> nah
2013-03-15 17:46 <viric> you can override it whenever you want
2013-03-15 17:46 <viric> if you run "fossil serve", that's the password for the Admin
2013-03-15 17:47 <viric> in fossil, each system has users, passwords, permissions, web, ...
2013-03-15 17:47 <viric> if you run "fossil ui", you have the whole offrss website offline :)
2013-03-15 17:47 <kyak> that's interesting.. you like to use things noone seems to be using :) i mean, fossil, podofo, nix.. Affero GPL
2013-03-15 17:47 <kyak> i never heard of these before
2013-03-15 17:48 <viric> haha
2013-03-15 17:48 <kyak> unison
2013-03-15 17:48 <viric> I can't understand the trends
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2013-03-15 17:51 <viric> kyak: if you have a webserver, remember offrss works as CGI
2013-03-15 17:51 <viric> (if you don't want it locally)
2013-03-15 17:52 <kyak> i guess i have no other options but to write opml to offrss script using... i don't what what.. D? :)
2013-03-15 17:52 <viric> I write most in Go nowadays :)
2013-03-15 17:52 <kyak> yeah, that's not mainstream :)
2013-03-15 17:53 <viric> offrss would be much less lines in Go
2013-03-15 17:53 <viric> but if written in go, I'm not sure if it would work in the nanonote. It's tricky on its virtual memory.
2013-03-15 17:54 <viric> kyak: podofo is a lib; not to be known by people other than programmers. That's the easiest thing I could find for the task.
2013-03-15 17:54 <kyak> viric: got it about CGI..
2013-03-15 17:54 <kyak> there's a mupdf
2013-03-15 17:54 <kyak> it kind works on Nanonote
2013-03-15 17:54 <viric> isn't that for reading pdfs?
2013-03-15 17:54 <kyak> oh..
2013-03-15 17:54 <kyak> it probably is.. yeah, you need creating
2013-03-15 17:55 <whitequark> viric: I'd be interested in results of running go code on NN
2013-03-15 17:55 <whitequark> but it doesn't compile to mips iirc
2013-03-15 17:55 <viric> whitequark: gccgo does. I use it on mips64.
2013-03-15 17:55 <kyak> viric: is it safe to remove the .fossil file now?
2013-03-15 17:56 <viric> kyak: no
2013-03-15 17:56 <kyak> i thought so..
2013-03-15 17:56 <viric> well, safe for what?
2013-03-15 17:56 <viric> You'll have to clone again if you want the reposotiry
2013-03-15 17:56 <viric> repository
2013-03-15 17:56 <kyak> well, do i need that file to update the repo?
2013-03-15 17:56 <viric> yes
2013-03-15 17:56 <viric> it's "the repo" :)
2013-03-15 17:57 <viric> mercurial and svn use a directory, and in it, .hg or .svn. But fossil stores it to a file apart.
2013-03-15 17:57 <viric> you can put it wherever you want though.
2013-03-15 17:57 <kyak> how would fossil find that file if i move it?
2013-03-15 17:57 <viric> you'll have to open it again
2013-03-15 17:57 <viric> :)
2013-03-15 17:57 <viric> or checkout
2013-03-15 17:58 <kyak> ok.. it's clear
2013-03-15 17:58 <viric> the local checkout has a ".fossil" file that points to it
2013-03-15 17:58 <kyak> .fslckout in my case
2013-03-15 17:58 <viric> ah that.
2013-03-15 18:00 <viric> Some relevant people use fossil: sqlite and fossil of course, tcl/tk, ... and some people try to move the openbsd/netbsd/pkgsrc too
2013-03-15 18:03 <kyak> ..and i'll write this script in tcl
2013-03-15 18:03 <viric> kyak: the pdf generation works nice with the firefox pdf.js :)
2013-03-15 18:03 <viric> hehe
2013-03-15 18:03 <kyak> what is it?
2013-03-15 18:04 <viric> kyak: I mean the in-firefox pdf viewer
2013-03-15 18:04 <kyak> but still, i would need to compile with podofo
2013-03-15 18:04 <kyak> is it right?
2013-03-15 18:04 <viric> yes
2013-03-15 18:04 <viric> couldn't be easier
2013-03-15 18:04 <viric> :)
2013-03-15 18:05 <kyak> podofo is so cool that it's not even in arch user repos
2013-03-15 18:05 <kyak> so would have to package it first :(
2013-03-15 18:05 <viric> time for закуска
2013-03-15 18:05 <viric> no? oh. :)
2013-03-15 18:06 <viric> see? you found what needs to be fixed in the world, and you can fix it!
2013-03-15 18:07 <kyak> yeah, "the world" :)
2013-03-15 18:16 <whitequark> uh pdf.js
2013-03-15 18:16 <whitequark> "because you totally need 2G of RAM and four-core CPU to open a three-page pdf"
2013-03-15 18:18 <lindi-> whitequark: 2 GB of RAM is very cheap, I'll take that any day over having to use some non-free reader
2013-03-15 18:21 <whitequark> lindi-: now multiply that by number of pages
2013-03-15 18:21 <lindi-> whitequark: that doesn't sound very realistic
2013-03-15 18:22 <whitequark> lindi-: nevertheless, the fact that it eats orders of magnitude more resources than it should, is
2013-03-15 18:23 <lindi-> whitequark: well it's a tradeoff of course, if it was easy to make it use less resources I'm sure they would :)
2013-03-15 18:23 <whitequark> lindi-: that's the point. there is some weird notion going on right now that everything should be written in html5+js
2013-03-15 18:23 <whitequark> whereas that's a good choice or not
2013-03-15 18:24 <lindi-> whitequark: well, they wrote it. you can write something else if you want? ;)
2013-03-15 18:24 <whitequark> lindi-: that is a well-known fallacy ;)
2013-03-15 18:25 <lindi-> whitequark: pdf.js in chromium seems to only have RSS of 58 MB with 14-page pdf
2013-03-15 18:25 <whitequark> "you don't need to be a chef to recognize burnt food", etc.
2013-03-15 18:25 <whitequark> lindi-: yeah, I'm looking at their last version right now
2013-03-15 18:25 <lindi-> or hmm, wrong tab maybe
2013-03-15 18:25 <whitequark> it's far better than it was. still, their demo page ate 500MB of RAM
2013-03-15 18:25 <lindi-> it's probably this one that uses 217 MB
2013-03-15 18:26 <whitequark> I also wonder how would it perform on something slower than my top-notch i7 from 2012.
2013-03-15 18:26 <whitequark> and with less than my 10GB of RAM, etc.
2013-03-15 18:27 <whitequark> lindi-: don't forget the "GPU Process" worth 350MB
2013-03-15 18:27 <whitequark> and "Browser" of 400MB
2013-03-15 18:56 <viric> that pdf.js doesn't take that much
2013-03-15 18:56 <viric> I bet acroread takes much more
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2013-03-15 19:55 <kyak> viric: can it NOT download images?
2013-03-15 19:56 <kyak> i mean, i'm fine using remote images.. but when i do -u, it just downloads the images
2013-03-15 19:56 <viric> ahm
2013-03-15 19:56 <viric> I never thought of that
2013-03-15 19:56 <viric> :)
2013-03-15 19:56 <kyak> btw ive converted my opml file
2013-03-15 19:56 <viric> I'll try to add some option...
2013-03-15 19:57 <kyak> now just waiting for the feeds to update.. these images take a long of time
2013-03-15 19:57 <kyak> i'll cleanup the conversion script and give it to you, if you interested
2013-03-15 19:57 <viric> add it to the ticket about opml
2013-03-15 19:58 <viric> if you don't mind
2013-03-15 19:58 <kyak> ok, i'll do that
2013-03-15 20:00 <kyak> btw
2013-03-15 20:00 <kyak> it seems that OPML is free
2013-03-15 20:00 <kyak> http://dev.opml.org/
2013-03-15 20:01 <kyak> i don't know why you stressed it out in the ticket about "non-free" :)
2013-03-15 20:01 <viric> me? nonfree?
2013-03-15 20:01 <viric> I didn't open that ticket
2013-03-15 20:01 <kyak> ah, ok, you were refering to the service
2013-03-15 20:01 <kyak> but opml is not only used by google
2013-03-15 20:01 <viric> :)
2013-03-15 20:02 <kyak> viric: how many last items does it download?
2013-03-15 20:02 <kyak> or does it download the whole feed?
2013-03-15 20:02 <viric> whole available
2013-03-15 20:03 <viric> do people publish long feeds?
2013-03-15 20:03 <kyak> it's just that i got >100 of feeds
2013-03-15 20:03 <viric> It seems that your rss experience is quite different than mine :)
2013-03-15 20:03 <kyak> i need to cleanup... probably :)
2013-03-15 20:03 <viric> But it's very refreshing
2013-03-15 20:04 <kyak> i think it's ok downloading the whole feed.. but downloading images should be optional
2013-03-15 20:05 <viric> agreed
2013-03-15 20:05 <viric> maybe optional per-feed?
2013-03-15 20:06 <kyak> i don't need that kind of flexibility :)
2013-03-15 20:06 <kyak> but why not.. if it's easy to implement
2013-03-15 20:06 <kyak> are you thinking about some kind of flag in feedurls.txt?
2013-03-15 20:07 <viric> yes
2013-03-15 20:07 <viric> what character you don't need'
2013-03-15 20:07 <viric> ?
2013-03-15 20:07 <viric> :)
2013-03-15 20:07 <kyak> |
2013-03-15 20:07 <viric> hehe
2013-03-15 20:07 <viric> ok, can you give *some*?
2013-03-15 20:07 <kyak> i found out i have name having "»" in it :)
2013-03-15 20:08 <viric> utf8 ftw
2013-03-15 20:08 <kyak> i'll get rid of it
2013-03-15 20:08 <kyak> yeah
2013-03-15 20:08 <kyak> it's utf-8
2013-03-15 20:08 <kyak> not sure..
2013-03-15 20:09 <kyak> so you are asking about the separator between url and the flag"
2013-03-15 20:09 <kyak> ?
2013-03-15 20:10 <kyak> what if you decide to add another option in a future? you would have to find on more character :) maybe better to keep space and parse string with strrchr from the end?
2013-03-15 20:31 <kyak> viric: i added the script to the ticket. Sorry i couldn't find how to attach files
2013-03-15 20:31 <kyak> time to sleep now
2013-03-15 20:33 <whitequark> viric: who cares about acroread?
2013-03-15 20:34 <viric> kyak: no, I mean that a char could introduce keywords. like  *noimages*
2013-03-15 20:35 <viric> kyak: ahm right, attach disabled to anonymous
2013-03-15 20:36 <viric> enabled.
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2013-03-15 20:37 <kyak> viric: "*noimages*" is OK for me
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2013-03-15 20:46 <kyak> viric: just found a problem in the script; i would need to replace those &amp; and similar shit from XML with something valid
2013-03-15 20:46 <kyak> i'll check it later, need to go now
2013-03-15 20:46 <viric> :) ok
2013-03-15 20:46 <viric> thank you
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2013-03-15 20:47 <kyak> np! and thank you!
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2013-03-15 23:40 <wolfspraul> lekernel: thanks for the heads up. the shop goes down quite a bit lately, I just reset it and it's working now
2013-03-15 23:41 <wolfspraul> as for the m1 buyer, does h:d still have stock? I tried to contact them for about a half year or so on various channels, but they were amazingly consistent in not replying :-) so I don't know whether they still have stock and/or are selling
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