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2013-01-27 01:13 <wolfspraul> maybe a quick fpgatools update
2013-01-27 01:13 <wolfspraul> after a new-year break I slowly went back, working on some snippets here and there without much direction
2013-01-27 01:13 <wolfspraul> fixing bugs
2013-01-27 01:14 <wolfspraul> I think I will continue with that for a while, going through more chip features
2013-01-27 01:15 <wolfspraul> jtag right now, then distributed ram (the one in the luts), then block ram
2013-01-27 01:15 <wolfspraul> then I need to spend more time on programming the chip, i.e. how to translate a design into bits and routing
2013-01-27 01:16 <wolfspraul> right now that's too fragile and basically hard-coded for the AND gate and fixed-frequency blinking led
2013-01-27 01:16 <wolfspraul> oh, dcm and pll also need to be started at some point
2013-01-27 01:16 <wolfspraul> with the programming, I started to look at writing an llvm backend, so I can program the chip in C via llvm
2013-01-27 01:16 <wolfspraul> that's about it
2013-01-27 01:17 <wolfspraul> no major news right now, all slow progress and some homework...
2013-01-27 01:36 <wpwrak> you should slowly start spreading the word. don't wait 20-30 years until it's perfect :)
2013-01-27 01:36 <wpwrak> already what you have now is quite a breakthrough. and other people would probably be interested in helping, if they just knew the project exists
2013-01-27 01:44 <wpwrak> (and i know i keep on repeating myself :)
2013-01-27 01:48 <wpwrak> also, assuming that you're project currently doesn't financially sustain itself, you may want to bring it into a position where you could receive this sort of help, too. it's not uncommon for companies that need to solve a closely related problem to notice when there's a project out there that already parallels their effort.
2013-01-27 01:48 <wpwrak> s/you're/your/
2013-01-27 01:48 <qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "also, assuming that your project currently doesn't financially sustain itself, you may want to bring it into a position where you could receive this sort of help, too. it's not uncommon for companies that need to solve a closely related problem to notice when there's a project out there that already parallels their effort."
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2013-01-27 02:27 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-la/ubb-la.c (INITIAL_SKIP): describe how the value was obtained (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/4ceee66
2013-01-27 02:27 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-la/ubb-la.c (do_buf): move pretty-printing to new function print_samples (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/8316bc0
2013-01-27 02:27 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: libubb/physmem.c (physmem_xlat): make "v" "const" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/c796ab1
2013-01-27 02:27 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-patgen/ubb-patgen.c (send_buffer): physmem_xlat no longer needs a cast (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/b0d89b2
2013-01-27 02:27 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-la/ubb-la.c (do_buf): physmem_xlat doesn't need a cast (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/13f3417
2013-01-27 02:27 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: libubb/physmem.c (physmem_xlat): don't close the (supposedly) cached fd (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/96ae331
2013-01-27 02:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-la/ubb-la.c: option -n N to enter experimental multi-buffer mode (WIP) (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/37a219b
2013-01-27 02:28 <wpwrak> but it sounds good that you already see the trickier parts as within your reach
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2013-01-27 12:18 <Lucius> If you were given 100 million dollars to invest in a project what project will it be?
2013-01-27 12:19 <Lucius> how would you spend it to uplift  your life + make profit.
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2013-01-27 12:20 <Lucius> hypothetical of course.
2013-01-27 12:24 <larsc> I would invest them in my well-being ;)
2013-01-27 12:25 <larsc> hypothetical of course
2013-01-27 12:25 <Lucius> well, how
2013-01-27 12:25 <Lucius> it's gotta produce profit and create something
2013-01-27 12:25 <larsc> pay rent, buy food
2013-01-27 12:26 <Lucius> software/electronics manufacturing facility?
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2013-01-27 13:19 <wpwrak> Lucius: i doubt a lot of people who don't regularly deal with large amounts of money have ready-made plans for handling that. let alone reasonable plans :)
2013-01-27 13:31 <Fallenou> well to make profits I would say invest in something like private equity
2013-01-27 13:32 <Fallenou> I think it is usually reserved to big bank accounts, there is something like a minimum amount you can invest which would look prohibitive for a simple mortal
2013-01-27 13:33 <Fallenou> so usually only rich people, companies and banks invest in those
2013-01-27 13:33 <Fallenou> (banks invest your money :))
2013-01-27 13:33 <wpwrak> Fallenou: and lose it. luckily,it was yours, not theirs :)
2013-01-27 13:33 <Fallenou> =)
2013-01-27 13:34 <wpwrak> but yes, best to invest in conflict. patents, weapons, law firms. you can't go wrong with that.
2013-01-27 13:34 <Fallenou> how sad is that
2013-01-27 13:34 <Fallenou> and how true it is
2013-01-27 13:35 <Fallenou> I would add drug companies
2013-01-27 13:35 <wpwrak> oh, and let's not forget high-risk banks. "too big to fail" and "too big to jail" both have a nice ring to them, if you're an investor :)
2013-01-27 13:36 <wpwrak> yes, drugs are good, too. highly competitive, though.
2013-01-27 13:36 <Fallenou> yes but when you have the right contacts in governments
2013-01-27 13:36 <Fallenou> you can kind of make your drug mandatory
2013-01-27 13:36 <whitequark> larsc: $100m is a lot of food
2013-01-27 13:36 <Fallenou> or make the government invest in your company
2013-01-27 13:37 <Fallenou> (big vaccination campaings for instance)
2013-01-27 13:37 <Fallenou> campains*
2013-01-27 13:37 <wpwrak> whitequark: i suppose he meant to eat that food at very expensive restaurants, in the company of very expensive women :)
2013-01-27 13:38 <Fallenou> like it was done in France for the influenza :)
2013-01-27 13:38 <whitequark> Fallenou: flu is the ideal target for vaccination. allows you to do it indefinitely :D
2013-01-27 13:38 <Fallenou> the government bought a huge amount of vaccin for "A type Influenza"
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2013-01-27 13:38 <Fallenou> and then they dropped it
2013-01-27 13:38 <wpwrak> Fallenou: yes, that was a nice one. still, you can only pull this of once every few years.
2013-01-27 13:39 <Fallenou> yes but this year they said the flue was very dangerous etc
2013-01-27 13:39 <Fallenou> a big nice hoax
2013-01-27 13:39 <wpwrak> whitequark: that was for the swine/bird flu. happened at a lot of places.
2013-01-27 13:39 <whitequark> wpwrak: yeah I'm well aware of that
2013-01-27 13:39 <wpwrak> (lot of places) in mean the vaccination madness
2013-01-27 13:39 <wpwrak> s/in/i/
2013-01-27 13:39 <qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "(lot of places) i mean the vacciation madness"
2013-01-27 13:39 <Fallenou> I bet we still have a huge amount of those un-sold vaccins ...
2013-01-27 13:39 <Fallenou> that our tax paid ...
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2013-01-27 13:39 <wpwrak> Fallenou: naw, they've expired now
2013-01-27 13:40 <Fallenou> yes
2013-01-27 13:40 <Fallenou> what a shame
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2013-01-27 13:40 <wpwrak> Fallenou: i'm sure it was expensive to safely destroy them, though ;-)
2013-01-27 13:41 <Fallenou> I would prefer they throw the money by the windows, at least 1°) we could get it back 2°) they would not convince people to take a drug which sometime can be dangerous
2013-01-27 13:41 <Fallenou> wpwrak: arggg
2013-01-27 13:41 <Fallenou> :-(
2013-01-27 13:41 <whitequark> btw it actually is sensible to vaccinate high-risk groups against those kinds of flu
2013-01-27 13:41 <whitequark> but for sure not everyone
2013-01-27 13:41 <Fallenou> yes indeed
2013-01-27 13:41 <Fallenou> very old people
2013-01-27 13:41 <Fallenou> vey young ones
2013-01-27 13:41 <Fallenou> and sick people
2013-01-27 13:41 <whitequark> exactly
2013-01-27 13:41 <Fallenou> but they bought a really insane amount of this vaccin ...
2013-01-27 13:42 <Fallenou> I think when they actually realized what they did, they tried to sell a part of it to other countries in EU :)
2013-01-27 13:42 <whitequark> I heard something about correlation between 'animal' flu and WHO budget distributions
2013-01-27 13:42 <wpwrak> so, i think we have a key: spend a few millions into something stable like real estate in a place without bubbles. spend a bit more into improving your own current situation. spend maybe 1-5 M on interesting new open hardware projects. sink the rest in IP litigation and firearms.
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2013-01-27 13:43 <Fallenou> firearms to kill those who sue you for IP theft ? :)
2013-01-27 13:43 <Fallenou> like start a war in Mali to kill ARM?
2013-01-27 13:43 <Fallenou> (ok this one is bad)
2013-01-27 13:43 <larsc> whitequark: well, I can eat a lot of food ;)
2013-01-27 13:44 <wpwrak> whitequark: hmm, i don't remember this working like that. lemme look it up ...
2013-01-27 13:44 <whitequark> wpwrak: i think that was mostly anecdotal. didn't find any actual data to back it up. OTOH, I didn't really try.
2013-01-27 13:45 <whitequark> Fallenou: Mali is, err, Central Africa? How is that related to ARM?
2013-01-27 13:45 <whitequark> (yes I'm aware of the name of their GPU)
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2013-01-27 13:45 <Fallenou> well that was the joke
2013-01-27 13:45 <Fallenou> sorry if it was so bad :)
2013-01-27 13:46 <viric> not bad :)
2013-01-27 13:46 <Fallenou> French news keeps talking about Mali war
2013-01-27 13:46 <viric> if it had been about coltan, it should be closer to congo then
2013-01-27 13:46 <Fallenou> so I had this in head ...
2013-01-27 13:46 <viric> if it's france, it's their need of uranium
2013-01-27 13:47 <viric> and to keep safe the landowners in colonies
2013-01-27 13:47 <whitequark> THINK OF FUKUSHIMA WE ALL NEED TO GO SOLAR
2013-01-27 13:47 <viric> or ex-colonies, as some papers say.
2013-01-27 13:47 <viric> whitequark: french media says that nuclear energy gives energy independence (ignoring that they import all uranium)
2013-01-27 13:48 <viric> but well, if all your dependence is about keeping troups in african colonies... you can call it 'energy independence', I guess
2013-01-27 13:48 <wpwrak> whitequark: the real scandal was about Tamiflu. it's not a vaccine but something that _may_ help after you've been infected.
2013-01-27 13:48 <Fallenou> well I bet the energy production earns more money than selling uranium
2013-01-27 13:48 <Fallenou> the balance must be somewhat positive
2013-01-27 13:48 <whitequark> viric: http://xkcd.com/1162/
2013-01-27 13:48 <viric> you can be sure that niger doesn't get much by "selling uranium"
2013-01-27 13:48 <Fallenou> (when you don't take into account cleaning and shutting down nuclear plants)
2013-01-27 13:49 <Fallenou> viric: is it really Niger who sells uranium? or Chinese/whatever company owners ?
2013-01-27 13:49 <viric> I think it's a french company, there.
2013-01-27 13:49 <whitequark> wpwrak: tamiflu is awesome. one of the scientifically proven remedies. it works by blocking entry of the virii to the cells.
2013-01-27 13:50 <whitequark> wpwrak: definitely not a vaccine, though.
2013-01-27 13:50 <Fallenou> viric: all win!
2013-01-27 13:50 <wpwrak> Fallenou: (mali) that's a good one ;-) someone should create a islamist splinter group called "ARM". "Afrique Musulmane Radicale" perhaps ?
2013-01-27 13:51 <viric> well, the french, quite relevant among european countries, got its wealth by fucking people here and there.
2013-01-27 13:51 <Fallenou> wpwrak: ahah sure :)
2013-01-27 13:51 <viric> And it's hard to give up on addictions.
2013-01-27 13:51 <Fallenou> viric: well don't worry, every big country try to fuck with other poor/smaller countries
2013-01-27 13:51 <Fallenou> I would first look at the USA
2013-01-27 13:52 <Fallenou> before looking at France
2013-01-27 13:52 <Fallenou> even if indeed we are not very clean :)
2013-01-27 13:52 <viric> Fallenou: that sounds like said by a french ;)
2013-01-27 13:52 <Fallenou> you got me ;)
2013-01-27 13:52 <viric> I'm not sure USA wins
2013-01-27 13:52 <viric> USA are less discrete.
2013-01-27 13:53 <Fallenou> well it depends ...
2013-01-27 13:53 <viric> in any case
2013-01-27 13:53 <Fallenou> in Africa political/economical manipulation, a lot of things happen behind the scene
2013-01-27 13:53 <viric> The French started first ;)
2013-01-27 13:53 <wpwrak> FR, US, ... let's not forget the UK:  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html
2013-01-27 13:54 <Fallenou> hehe
2013-01-27 13:54 <viric> wpwrak: ah, touched by the malvines, eh? ;)
2013-01-27 13:54 <wpwrak> Fallenou: your statement remains valid if you remove "africa" :)
2013-01-27 13:54 <viric> I'd say there is far more manipulation in France, than africa
2013-01-27 13:54 <wpwrak> viric: yeah, i thought our dear president would like that book ;-)
2013-01-27 13:55 <Fallenou> I'm talking about africa because I heard a french musulman guy, named "Tariq Ramadan" giving a talk about north africa / arabe revolutions / middle-east
2013-01-27 13:56 <Fallenou> saying that usually behind each revolution the USA (and europe) was not very far ...
2013-01-27 13:56 <viric> Fallenou: if an explanation reached you, it's manipulated.
2013-01-27 13:56 <Fallenou> well if it's an explanation using actual facts and trying to understand why thing went the way they went
2013-01-27 13:56 <Fallenou> using historical facts, cross references etc
2013-01-27 13:57 <viric> hahaha
2013-01-27 13:57 <Fallenou> it seems likre historian work :)
2013-01-27 13:57 <viric> historical facts :D
2013-01-27 13:57 <viric> it's hard to distinguish historical facts from fairy tales
2013-01-27 13:57 <Fallenou> and the guy said it's proven that USA companies organized workshop about how to protest in peace and raise awareness / lead protests
2013-01-27 13:58 <Fallenou> make symbols/logo , catch phrases etc
2013-01-27 13:58 <Fallenou> organize a revolution :)
2013-01-27 13:58 <viric> Sure.
2013-01-27 13:58 <Fallenou> and the very groups that started arabe revolutions were identified and took part in this workshops
2013-01-27 13:58 <viric> The islamic banking was gaining support.
2013-01-27 13:59 <Fallenou> so in some way USA really helped in those revolutions, because USA wanted those revolutions
2013-01-27 14:00 <viric> All is about an option between the bad and the worse
2013-01-27 14:01 <viric> If you live next to natural resources, run. run away!
2013-01-27 14:03 <Fallenou> or take advantage on them, make profit, try to improve your life and the one of people living around
2013-01-27 14:03 <wpwrak> Fallenou: let's just consider what happened in libya. like it or not, Gaddafi was a stabilizing factor for the region.
2013-01-27 14:03 <Fallenou> employ people, invest in development
2013-01-27 14:03 <Fallenou> wpwrak: well yes, until someday
2013-01-27 14:04 <Fallenou> wpwrak: that's why no one gave a shit about him, because he was stabilizing the region
2013-01-27 14:04 <Fallenou> but something changed, and he was no longer desirable by western countries
2013-01-27 14:04 <Fallenou> (I don't remember what changed)
2013-01-27 14:04 <Fallenou> then he was the man to kill :)
2013-01-27 14:04 <wpwrak> viric: naw, start producing weapons. your countrymen - on either side of the conflict - shall need them soon ;-)
2013-01-27 14:05 <viric> wpwrak: isn't the european production enough?
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2013-01-27 14:05 <viric> wpwrak: I thought the market was near saturated :)
2013-01-27 14:06 <wpwrak> viric: you can always set up a few scandals that block the usual routes. but you're right, better to just trade them, not produce.
2013-01-27 14:07 <viric> now our government has sold contracts to start exploring underground for gas and oil, with a 'fracking' technique. A technique forbidden in many places, because it's prone to contaminate water dwells
2013-01-27 14:07 <viric> And also sold contracts for oil extraction next to the beach.
2013-01-27 14:08 <viric> they are selling every "country asset" they can
2013-01-27 14:08 <viric> "the pressure of the markets"
2013-01-27 14:09 <wpwrak> viric: well, if you've ever watched "battlestar galactica", you know what "fracking" really means :)
2013-01-27 14:09 <viric> never watched :)
2013-01-27 14:09 <Fallenou> ahah
2013-01-27 14:10 <viric> but if they destroy the water dwells...
2013-01-27 14:10 <wpwrak> viric: the 2000 series was pretty good. among the best in sci-fi if you don't mind the military/metaphysical slant.
2013-01-27 14:10 <viric> It'll be very bad
2013-01-27 14:11 <viric> I'm not sure I like 'scifi'
2013-01-27 14:11 <wpwrak> bah, there's plenty of water in the mediterranean
2013-01-27 14:11 <viric> :D
2013-01-27 14:11 <wpwrak> and it would be really expensive to make it drinkable. but hey, those catalans have money, right ? :)
2013-01-27 14:12 <viric> Sure, lots of money, if we sell all the coast, the mountains, the workforce, ... to the russians
2013-01-27 14:12 <wpwrak> having to worry about water should also put those silly secessionist fantasies to rest :)
2013-01-27 14:13 <viric> wpwrak: secessionist movement has always been leaded by the left ecologist people, until lastest 11th of September
2013-01-27 14:13 <viric> wpwrak: where the strong right-wing suddenly changed its eternal oposition to secession, and tried of a sudden to lead the secessionist movement.
2013-01-27 14:13 <viric> now many people are very confused.
2013-01-27 14:13 <viric> "may we vote the right-wing, and we would get independent sooner, despite wanting lefty politics?"
2013-01-27 14:15 <viric> of course, the right-wing claims a lot about secession now, but every week they are diluting all more and more.
2013-01-27 14:15 <viric> I hope some new elections will kick them out hard.
2013-01-27 14:17 <wpwrak> so you prefer to be sold by "left-wing" politicians ?
2013-01-27 14:18 <viric> well, here 'left/right' has nuances not really exportable to foreign politics.
2013-01-27 14:18 <viric> I don't mean 'left' as in soviet union.
2013-01-27 14:18 <viric> :)
2013-01-27 14:18 <wpwrak> it seems that the differences on that right-left axis are approaching the planck length these days
2013-01-27 14:19 <viric> we use the polarity left/right, but that's a completely different axis than in other countries.
2013-01-27 14:19 <whitequark> wpwrak: so say we all :)
2013-01-27 14:19 <viric> here, 'left' is more related to removing any central power.
2013-01-27 14:20 <viric> while in soviet union 'left', it'd be somewhat opposite.
2013-01-27 14:20 <wpwrak> ah, so that's where the anarchists are hiding :)
2013-01-27 14:20 <viric> yes
2013-01-27 14:20 <wpwrak> then your "left" would also favour gun ownership and lower taxes ? :)
2013-01-27 14:20 <viric> not at all
2013-01-27 14:20 <wpwrak> (-:C
2013-01-27 14:21 <viric> every country has its own polarities
2013-01-27 14:21 <wpwrak> maybe they're not so serious about weakening the state then :)
2013-01-27 14:21 <viric> often reduce to words left/right, but they could be any other words :)
2013-01-27 14:22 <viric> I understand your point
2013-01-27 14:22 <viric> anarchists like in switzerland, right? :)
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2013-01-27 14:24 <wpwrak> the division is often along the lines of "fairly redistribute what others have" vs. "protect what's mine". so there's an obvious age divide there.
2013-01-27 14:25 <viric> sure.
2013-01-27 14:25 <viric> that's how communits grow to vote 'right' :)
2013-01-27 14:25 <wpwrak> viric: hmm, the swiss aren't very anarchists. yet they have what's probably the form of democracy most compatible with the principles of anarchy.
2013-01-27 14:26 <viric> wpwrak: gun ownership + low taxes
2013-01-27 14:27 <viric> part of the success is in not having a very big country.
2013-01-27 14:27 <wpwrak> (vote right) yeah, all you have to do is channel people's worries. make the non-poor fear the poor and the poor hate the non-poor, and they'll be busy being at each other's throat and you can do whatever you want
2013-01-27 14:28 <viric> wpwrak: it's also important to have a kind of infrastructure so the poor and non-poor never meet, other than through TV documentaries.
2013-01-27 14:28 <wpwrak> (small country) that may be a part of it. not sure if this is still true, though.
2013-01-27 14:29 <wpwrak> (keep 'em separated) you mean like the US prison system ? :)
2013-01-27 14:30 <viric> that's only one place where they don't meet :)
2013-01-27 14:30 <wpwrak> well, you have to have plans for the future :)
2013-01-27 14:31 <wpwrak> besides, apartheid wasn't built in a day either
2013-01-27 14:31 <viric> exactly.
2013-01-27 14:35 * whitequark waits to apply godwin's law
2013-01-27 14:35 <viric> :)
2013-01-27 14:36 <viric> I'm sorry, but I think we were reaching agreement
2013-01-27 14:36 <wpwrak> well, there you have an example of a highly effective form of government :) and "guns for all" and "low taxes" folks should be rather happy with that model, too
2013-01-27 14:38 <wpwrak> actually, i don't know how taxes worked during WWII. but then, in a country where people live on food stamps and worry about getting bombed while in bed (or sent to enjoy the snow-covered plains of beautiful russia), i can't imagine them to have been a major issue
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2013-01-27 14:42 <viric> yes, people were much easier to make happy back then
2013-01-27 14:43 <wpwrak> yeah. they were really happy when the secret police came at night ... and took the neighbours
2013-01-27 14:44 <viric> The spanish prime minister got to be a good representative of the country again, in Peru
2013-01-27 14:44 <viric> In a speech there, he said "Quiero agradecer al pueblo cubano..."
2013-01-27 14:44 <wpwrak> so far, so good :)
2013-01-27 14:45 <viric> Reminding the Minister of defense of the same party, some years ago, when made all the troups of El Salvador shout "Viva Honduras!"
2013-01-27 14:45 <wpwrak> ough
2013-01-27 14:45 <viric> Or when the minister of industry said, in a speech at general motors: "I'm proud of being here at Ford ..."
2013-01-27 14:46 <viric> that's the Spanish style ;)
2013-01-27 14:47 <wpwrak> so i take it that his polite mention of cubans did not continue with "y al pueblo peruano" ? (or, even better, possibly a long list of peoples, emphasizing unity among latin countries)
2013-01-27 14:47 <viric> wpwrak: no no. totally forgot of 'peruano'. he really mixed.
2013-01-27 14:47 <wpwrak> darn. as a politician, he should know that it's pronounced "fnord" !
2013-01-27 14:48 <viric> wpwrak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy5lSeww9NE
2013-01-27 14:48 <wpwrak> busy travel schedule then :)
2013-01-27 14:49 <wpwrak> well, they take it well ;-)
2013-01-27 14:49 <viric> yes, quite :D
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2013-01-27 14:53 <viric> ts
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