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2013-01-14 00:12 <whitequark> larsc: out of curiosity
2013-01-14 00:12 <whitequark> why would you have two otherwise identical boards?
2013-01-14 00:13 <whitequark> I mean, they must've either differently rated ICs or different power supplies, or whatever
2013-01-14 00:18 <whitequark> a russian utility company just made this calendar: http://www.adme.ru/kalendar/vsem-muzha-iz-zhkh-455505/
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2013-01-14 00:38 <larsc> whitequark: rev. a and rev. b
2013-01-14 00:39 <larsc> turned out rev. a had power failures under certain conditions, so they reworked the power tree a bit
2013-01-14 00:39 <larsc> and switched from a 5v supply to a 12v supply
2013-01-14 00:39 <larsc> the boards looked still the same though
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2013-01-14 01:53 <wpwrak> but you solved that, too :)
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2013-01-14 02:27 <wpwrak> (a bit off-topic) this is how amazon organizes their warehouses. interesting IT-driven approach: http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2012/10/16/122057/55
2013-01-14 04:02 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: you chose a good moment to be away from bejing. they seem to have especially nasty smog these days: http://www.heise.de/tp/blogs/8/153532
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2013-01-14 04:04 <wolfspraul> I help filtering it with my lungs, no worries
2013-01-14 04:04 <wolfspraul> yes we proudly set a new world record, I believe
2013-01-14 04:05 <wolfspraul> far above the highest scale, where no achievement of the people ever reached to before
2013-01-14 04:06 <wpwrak> heh :) isn't it nice that there so many opportunities to excel ?
2013-01-14 04:06 <wolfspraul> the official propaganda a few days ago just said the air was improving for the 14th consecutive year in Beijing!
2013-01-14 04:06 <wolfspraul> ha ha
2013-01-14 04:06 <wolfspraul> yes
2013-01-14 04:07 <wpwrak> (14th consecutive year) "we have better ways to interpret the measurements now" :)
2013-01-14 04:07 <wolfspraul> seriously
2013-01-14 04:07 <wolfspraul> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-12/31/c_132074141.htm
2013-01-14 04:08 <wolfspraul> that was not even 2 weeks ago "Beijing air quality improves for 14th consecutive year"
2013-01-14 04:08 <wolfspraul> and the headline in todays mouthpiece, hilarious
2013-01-14 04:08 <wolfspraul> in the largest font possible "healthy debate about air quality"
2013-01-14 04:08 <wolfspraul> they actually managed to write the word "healty" and "air" in the same line, not bad
2013-01-14 04:08 <wpwrak> we actually had some fun day a little while ago, too. here's a very nice blog post about that day: http://www.argentinaindependent.com/currentaffairs/thoughtsofaforeigner/weekly-news-roundup-special-7d-edition/
2013-01-14 04:09 <wolfspraul> at least those assholes are inhalating the same shit as everybody else, that's comforting
2013-01-14 04:09 <wolfspraul> :-)
2013-01-14 04:09 <wolfspraul> although wait, it's possible that they sit in specially cleaned rooms, with hospital air cleaning equipment...
2013-01-14 04:10 <wpwrak> well, all the west keeps asking for more democracy in china. so that sort of debate is what they want, right ? :)
2013-01-14 04:10 <wpwrak> if they live in clean rooms, that'll do wonders to their immune system :)
2013-01-14 04:11 <wolfspraul> sales of very expensive air cleaning devices are booming
2013-01-14 04:11 <wolfspraul> and they need heavy maintenance etc.
2013-01-14 04:11 <wolfspraul> but that stuff does work, if you throw enough resources at it
2013-01-14 04:11 <wolfspraul> "china reaching cleanliness levels typically only found in special clean rooms in the west"
2013-01-14 04:11 <wpwrak> sounds like a good concept: clean the air at the destination, not at the source :)
2013-01-14 04:12 <wolfspraul> they chose this path, not me
2013-01-14 04:12 <wolfspraul> but I help with my lungs right now, let's see for how long :-)
2013-01-14 04:12 <wolfspraul> so they drive a Porsche, but inhalate air as if they smoke all the time
2013-01-14 04:13 <wpwrak> no need to buy expensive cigarettes then :)
2013-01-14 04:14 <wolfspraul> "with every breath you take, you can help to clean your homeland"
2013-01-14 04:14 <wolfspraul> wonderful
2013-01-14 04:14 <wolfspraul> they should let me try to write some headlines too :-)
2013-01-14 04:14 <wpwrak> you should make some posters :)
2013-01-14 04:14 <wolfspraul> let's make it patriotic and bullshit, that should work
2013-01-14 04:15 <wolfspraul> those letters "healthy" as large as possible are laughing at me, when I look outside it looks as if there is a fire all around :-)
2013-01-14 04:15 <wolfspraul> so yeah, settling back in, thanks for your thoughts :-)
2013-01-14 04:16 <wpwrak> ah, you're back in beijing, not in .de ?
2013-01-14 04:16 <wolfspraul> sure
2013-01-14 04:16 <wolfspraul> just said "help cleaning"
2013-01-14 04:16 <wolfspraul> you can only do that at the frontline, one breadth at a time
2013-01-14 04:16 <wpwrak> i thought that was a more general statement. like every day you're contributing.
2013-01-14 04:16 <wolfspraul> actually on a serious note this pollution makes people speechless
2013-01-14 04:17 <wolfspraul> even chinese start to reflect a little
2013-01-14 04:17 <wpwrak> ah well, here's to selfless heroism then :)
2013-01-14 04:17 <wolfspraul> people drive slowly, can't believe it, etc.
2013-01-14 04:17 <wolfspraul> well - a little slower
2013-01-14 04:17 <wolfspraul> a tiny little bit more gently
2013-01-14 04:17 <wolfspraul> so instead of "super aggressive" as all the time, now it's just "aggressive"
2013-01-14 04:17 <wpwrak> well, it'll take a while for the culture to adapt
2013-01-14 04:17 <wolfspraul> I can sense a tiny bit of reflection about whether something might, just might, be wrong
2013-01-14 04:17 <wolfspraul> sure
2013-01-14 04:18 <wolfspraul> levels above 800 and above 1000 on some measurements are really unbelievable
2013-01-14 04:18 <wolfspraul> I think if you are in a room where someone else smokes, it will be about 300-400 or so
2013-01-14 04:18 <wpwrak> while people are still overwhelmed by being wealthy, they may not be so quick to pick up the more subtle things that come with it. like caring about your health.
2013-01-14 04:18 <wolfspraul> we have that on good days now
2013-01-14 04:18 <wpwrak> lovely
2013-01-14 04:19 <wolfspraul> the us and who scale ends at 500, china extended it to 700 but that's also not enough. they should extend it to 2000 or so right away...
2013-01-14 04:19 <wpwrak> at some point, it should make the cleaning easier, too. just move the air a little and the dirt will condense out of it :)
2013-01-14 04:19 <wolfspraul> in a normal place you are <50 all the time
2013-01-14 04:20 <wpwrak> hmm, from your news site: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-08/30/c_131818292.htm
2013-01-14 04:20 <wpwrak> maybe you should relocate :)
2013-01-14 04:20 <wolfspraul> if this continues, there will be astronomical numbers of lung diseases etc. in a few years
2013-01-14 04:20 <wolfspraul> (in china)
2013-01-14 04:20 <wolfspraul> since in a few years, you inhalate as many particles as in your whole life elsewhere
2013-01-14 04:21 <wolfspraul> anyway
2013-01-14 04:21 <wpwrak> time to invest in medical equipment. portable breathing aids and such
2013-01-14 04:21 <wolfspraul> oh definitely
2013-01-14 04:21 <wpwrak> or maybe set up a business with canned air from tibet :)
2013-01-14 04:21 <wolfspraul> ah yes, I saw that headline too
2013-01-14 04:22 <wolfspraul> they are really desperate
2013-01-14 04:22 <wolfspraul> "air quality near perfect in Tibet"
2013-01-14 04:22 <wolfspraul> ha ha
2013-01-14 04:22 <wolfspraul> yeah
2013-01-14 04:22 <wolfspraul> :-)
2013-01-14 04:22 <wolfspraul> like I said, I can sense a tiny bit of reflection at least
2013-01-14 04:22 <wolfspraul> it's so obvious that nobody can deny this, even though chinese (especialy higher-level) are extremely good at flat-out lying directly into your face
2013-01-14 04:23 <wolfspraul> but it becomes more difficult now, so my smile goes up regardless :-)
2013-01-14 04:23 <wpwrak> ;-))
2013-01-14 04:23 <wolfspraul> let's have another cigarette! :-)
2013-01-14 04:23 <wolfspraul> ah there you go, "tibet near perfect"
2013-01-14 04:23 <wolfspraul> right
2013-01-14 04:23 <wolfspraul> :-)
2013-01-14 04:23 <wolfspraul> Japan too
2013-01-14 04:23 <wolfspraul> Germany
2013-01-14 04:23 <wolfspraul> US
2013-01-14 04:23 <wolfspraul> Argentina
2013-01-14 04:23 <wolfspraul> etc. etc.
2013-01-14 04:23 <wpwrak> you've made it when smoking a cigarette actually reduces the contamination :)
2013-01-14 04:24 <wolfspraul> yes there is a *FILTER* at the end, no?
2013-01-14 04:24 <wolfspraul> maybe if you pull the air through there, you can help cleaning?
2013-01-14 04:24 <wpwrak> or at least inhale better air
2013-01-14 04:24 <wolfspraul> yes! really good idea
2013-01-14 04:24 <wolfspraul> just put the unlit cigarette into your mouth, ha ha
2013-01-14 04:25 <wpwrak> smoking as a public services sounds tempting, though
2013-01-14 04:25 <wolfspraul> then spread a rumor that that helps
2013-01-14 04:25 <wolfspraul> maybe a few million will follow you the next day
2013-01-14 04:25 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: how do you like that?
2013-01-14 04:25 <wpwrak> ah yes, that ought to work
2013-01-14 04:25 <wolfspraul> Werner and I have an idea
2013-01-14 04:25 <wolfspraul> how every chinese can help clean the motherland
2013-01-14 04:25 <wolfspraul> you buy a pack of cigarettes, and put one into your mouth but *DO NOT* light it
2013-01-14 04:25 <wolfspraul> just breathe the air through the filter
2013-01-14 04:25 <wolfspraul> and after 30 minutes or 1 hr, switch to the next cigarette with clean filter
2013-01-14 04:26 <wpwrak> and put the old one into the hazardous waste bin
2013-01-14 04:26 <wolfspraul> brilliant idea, also a fashion statement
2013-01-14 04:27 <wpwrak> ... from where it will the be picked up by the garbage company and burnt in a backyard a couple of blocks away :)
2013-01-14 04:27 <wolfspraul> or mixed in with animal food or worse
2013-01-14 04:27 <wpwrak> yeah, i like it. you should sell it to some cigarette company
2013-01-14 04:27 <wpwrak> yummy
2013-01-14 04:28 <wolfspraul> hey, I liked this in the xinhua article...
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> so first they say it's improving for 14 consecutive years
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> ok
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> "improving"
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> all relative...
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> "dropped by 4 percent"
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> notice the "per cent"
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> but then it gets interesting
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> "The biggest challenge is the increase of pollutants"
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> huh?
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> "We can only improve air quality by making sure that pollution reduction outpaces increases in pollutants"
2013-01-14 04:29 <wolfspraul> huh huh?
2013-01-14 04:30 <wolfspraul> so what is actually "improving" now?
2013-01-14 04:30 <wpwrak> ah yes, must be some translation mistake :)
2013-01-14 04:30 <wolfspraul> increase? decrease?
2013-01-14 04:30 <wolfspraul> 4 percent of what?
2013-01-14 04:30 <wpwrak> i like that one "Fang said, adding that 122 heavily polluting companies were closed as well."
2013-01-14 04:30 <wpwrak> seems that they're trying :)
2013-01-14 04:30 <wolfspraul> maybe they measre "increase" and "reduction" separately
2013-01-14 04:30 <wolfspraul> werner that opens a whole new field of math right there!
2013-01-14 04:30 <wolfspraul> you can always declare a "reduction" if you single out the "increase" first! :-)
2013-01-14 04:30 <wolfspraul> so the reduction is real!
2013-01-14 04:30 <wpwrak> maybe he meant the number of pollutants
2013-01-14 04:30 <wolfspraul> (after increase)
2013-01-14 04:31 <wolfspraul> nah nah
2013-01-14 04:31 <wolfspraul> reduction and increase are treated separately, ha ha
2013-01-14 04:31 <wolfspraul> how much reduction do you want?
2013-01-14 04:31 <wolfspraul> 10%?
2013-01-14 04:31 <wolfspraul> no problem
2013-01-14 04:31 <wpwrak> so those lovely dioxides are down while new stuff is getting added to the mix
2013-01-14 04:31 <wolfspraul> if the increase is 10%, we first increase by 20%, then you can have your reduction...
2013-01-14 04:31 <wpwrak> sounds fair to me
2013-01-14 04:32 <wolfspraul> everybody is happy, bonuses are paid...
2013-01-14 04:32 <wolfspraul> that's how they managed to become the world's most polluted city now
2013-01-14 04:32 <wolfspraul> they should check their math
2013-01-14 04:33 <wolfspraul> yes correct, they are trying
2013-01-14 04:33 <wolfspraul> but it takes a lot of time and a lot of thinking to change peoples behavior
2013-01-14 04:33 <wolfspraul> what everybody does each day, themselves, rather than pointing elsewhere...
2013-01-14 04:34 <wolfspraul> I expect absolutely horrible air quality for all of january and in fact the whole winter
2013-01-14 04:34 <wolfspraul> in the summer it might go back down to hazardous/very unhealthy etc. as before/as normal
2013-01-14 04:34 <wpwrak> how's public transportation in beijing ? do you need that car or would there be a nice yet less prestigious underground as well ?
2013-01-14 04:35 <wolfspraul> pretty good [public transport]
2013-01-14 04:35 <wolfspraul> I don't think you can blame cars alone
2013-01-14 04:35 <wolfspraul> everything is booming, and the management is just out of control
2013-01-14 04:35 <wpwrak> oh, by the way, the charming wooden subway cars you enjoyed so much in buenos aires are no more. they're being replaced with modern ones from china these days.
2013-01-14 04:35 <wolfspraul> from my very limited knowledge I think there is a ton of new coal-fired power plants, for example
2013-01-14 04:36 <wolfspraul> plus lots of other bad behavior by companies, private and state, individuals, on construction sites, badly maintained cars, old trucks, etc. etc.
2013-01-14 04:36 <wolfspraul> all together creating the result you read about
2013-01-14 04:36 <wolfspraul> at least nobody can deny it anymore, finally
2013-01-14 04:36 <wpwrak> the old critters had been in service for almost 100 years. in fact, that there hasn't been any major carnage is just a testament to good active safety (and subways generally being one of the safest means of transportation)
2013-01-14 04:36 <wolfspraul> I really can have the best laugh now
2013-01-14 04:36 <wolfspraul> they will improve...
2013-01-14 04:37 <wolfspraul> oh too bad, yes I did like those old cars
2013-01-14 04:37 <wolfspraul> for purely nostalgic reasons though, I understand they have to go
2013-01-14 04:37 <wolfspraul> hopefully someone still uses them in some make, make a good bar or so with them...
2013-01-14 04:37 <wolfspraul> or cafe
2013-01-14 04:37 <wolfspraul> s/in some make/in some way/
2013-01-14 04:38 <wpwrak> they plan to put them at parks, as public libraries
2013-01-14 04:38 <wpwrak> and keep (and modify, since the voltage changes now) one train for tourism
2013-01-14 04:39 <wolfspraul> just curious - voltage changes from what to what?
2013-01-14 04:39 <wpwrak> and yes, some people seem to be interested in buying some. so maybe we'll get some new bars as well :)
2013-01-14 04:39 <wpwrak> i think 1100 V to 1500 V
2013-01-14 04:40 <wpwrak> yes
2013-01-14 04:41 <wpwrak> not sure if this means that the current will go down or if the new trains consume more in general. for instance for air conditioning.
2013-01-14 04:41 <wpwrak> so they're shutting down the line for about two months to do all the replacement work and testing
2013-01-14 04:42 <wpwrak> (it's just one line - the rest of the network already has more modern trains)
2013-01-14 04:43 <wpwrak> the ownership of the metro network changed from the national government to the city with the beginning of 2013. finally. they've been fighting over this for a long time.
2013-01-14 04:47 <wpwrak> so now it's cleanup time. and the heavy subsidies will go, too. a year ago, a metro ticket (for unlimited travel in the underground network) cost about 20-25 US-cents. then, when talks about the transfer started, they doubled it. now it'll go up some 60% again. even with that, it's cheap.
2013-01-14 04:50 <wolfspraul> in bejing, any city-wide subway ride costs a flat 2 rmb (=ca. 35 US cents)
2013-01-14 04:51 <wolfspraul> buses are even less, normally 1 RMB (17 cents) and with a electronic card only 0.4 rmb, that is... a few cents
2013-01-14 04:51 <wolfspraul> zero essentially
2013-01-14 04:52 <wolfspraul> sounds nice superficially but as usual there's a mean back-end, because these prices are to keep the poor being "able" to commute from very far places where they can afford the rent into the city... for hours each day...
2013-01-14 04:52 <wolfspraul> at least they *can*, isn't that nice :-)
2013-01-14 04:53 <wpwrak> yeah, pretty much the same concept here
2013-01-14 04:53 <wolfspraul> 2-3 hours bus into the city (unpaid), then work for little money, then another 2-3h back into their dirtholes
2013-01-14 04:54 <wpwrak> at least i assume your infrastructure is in better shape
2013-01-14 04:54 <wolfspraul> if you don't count the air as 'infrastructure', then yes :-)
2013-01-14 04:54 <wpwrak> here, the subway isn't so bad but the trains are a nightmare. or so i've heard. never tried one.
2013-01-14 04:54 <wpwrak> heh :)
2013-01-14 04:55 <wolfspraul> and not the water either
2013-01-14 04:55 <wolfspraul> but water from tibet is clean, I'm sure...
2013-01-14 04:56 <wpwrak> (trains) and sure enough, we had a major accident least year. 50 dead, hundreds wounded. that was one of the main commuter trains. ran into the bumpers in the station at a slightly elevated speed, some 20-30 km/h.
2013-01-14 04:56 <wpwrak> now you just need to get a permit to visit tibet, so clean out your lungs :)
2013-01-14 05:00 <wolfspraul> nah
2013-01-14 05:00 <wolfspraul> you know I'm attracted to places where *nothing* works :-)
2013-01-14 05:00 <wolfspraul> I like it in Beijing
2013-01-14 05:00 <wolfspraul> the home of (a lot of) creativity :-)
2013-01-14 05:01 <wpwrak> an engineer's paradise. endless opportunities to fix things :)
2013-01-14 05:17 <roh> heh.. maybe its a good thing berlin falls apart all the time then, too
2013-01-14 05:19 <roh> interresting.. did never look at it that way.. just the 'cheap enough to finance your projects easier' way till now
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2013-01-14 06:57 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: ubb-patgen/hw/: a simple resistor on CMD is sufficient - no need for a cap (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/4714038
2013-01-14 06:57 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: libubb/: add experimental physical memory allocation/mapping module (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/ben-blinkenlights/8d59f8a
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2013-01-14 07:26 <LunaVorax> Hi!
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2013-01-14 14:05 <cmw> just incase anyone needs one there is Spectec SDW-823 on ebay right now
2013-01-14 14:05 <cmw> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Spectec-SDW-823-Micro-SD-WiFi-card-RARE-/330858111756?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d08ae230c
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2013-01-14 23:16 <wpwrak> hmm. some fashion ideas if there are too many cameras in your neighbourhood: http://cvdazzle.com/
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