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2012-12-25 00:01 <urandom__> wpwrak: doesn't make sense what you write, learning C doesn't make other langs obsolete, it is the other way round, learning C fully makes them realize how badly better langs are needed (in best case)
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2012-12-25 00:30 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: you want to rant because gcc is planning move to c++?
2012-12-25 01:00 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: update compile-openwrt-xburst.sh (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/05f8519
2012-12-25 01:00 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: cgminer: update to 2.10.2 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/d3474a1
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2012-12-25 01:18 <LunaVorax> Merry Christmas!
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2012-12-25 19:50 <whitequark> all bugs fixed, plus colored nicks! http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware/
2012-12-25 19:51 <whitequark> and an UTC clock for those of us who lives in deprecated (non-UTC+0) timezones
2012-12-25 20:07 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: you're kidding, right ?
2012-12-25 20:10 <wpwrak> urandom__: naw,   while (!you_understand_that_C_is_perfect) learn_more_C();
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2012-12-25 20:17 <Fallenou> ahah :)
2012-12-25 20:17 <Fallenou> trowll trowll
2012-12-25 20:26 <xwalk_> I installed wicd on my Ubuntu 12.04 install like the wiki pages stated you should do but the command "sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.254.100" isn't holding. For some reason the IP address keeps getting unassigned.
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2012-12-25 20:28 <Fallenou> maybe because of network daemon
2012-12-25 20:28 <Fallenou> or something like nm-applet
2012-12-25 20:28 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: may be i like do jokes from time to time, about what?
2012-12-25 20:29 <Fallenou> try to set the IP address in the network GUI xwalk_
2012-12-25 20:30 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: ah, well i read this time ago https://lwn.net/Articles/390016/
2012-12-25 20:30 <kristianpaul> if you meant that, not sure what i will be..
2012-12-25 20:32 <xwalk_> Fallenou: I'm not seeing the connection to usb0 coming across the wicd GUI. =/
2012-12-25 20:40 <Fallenou> there is no usb0 in wicd ?
2012-12-25 20:41 <xwalk_> Fallenou: Right. It's not coming across as one of my connections.
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2012-12-25 21:03 <Fallenou> wierd
2012-12-25 21:03 <Fallenou> weird*
2012-12-25 21:13 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: ("GCC begins move to C++") hmm, scary
2012-12-25 22:14 <whitequark> wpwrak: you know why?
2012-12-25 22:14 <whitequark> to integrate LLVM plugins, because GCC devs basically suck at writing optimizers (and also at creating nice architecture for their software, but that's also related to RMS's unwise decisions.)
2012-12-25 22:17 <whitequark> if you want a compiler which is modern, hackable, produces fast code and/or does not include a self-grown lisp implementation, just use LLVM.
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2012-12-25 22:54 <wpwrak> what i don't like about llvm are its ties to apple. besides that, it seems pretty okay, though. how does its run time compare with gcc ?
2012-12-25 23:06 <whitequark> wpwrak: well, I don't like Apple much either, but to date, it seems that it is an Apple-sponsored project rather an Apple-directed one.
2012-12-25 23:06 <whitequark> nothing bad came from using webkit everywhere
2012-12-25 23:07 <whitequark> (runtime) as far as I know, quite a bit faster
2012-12-25 23:09 <whitequark> wpwrak: see this message: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-11/msg00888.html
2012-12-25 23:10 <whitequark> an Apple-employed LLVM dev says:
2012-12-25 23:10 <whitequark> > If people are seriously in favor of LLVM being a long-term part of GCC, I personally believe that the LLVM community would agree to assign the copyright of LLVM itself to the FSF and we can work through these details.
2012-12-25 23:11 <whitequark> oh, 2005. I guess that's where DragonEgg GCC came from
2012-12-25 23:22 <wpwrak> (faster) that's always welcome ;)
2012-12-25 23:29 <whitequark> llvm also has quite a few cool features like static analysis which finds your errors for you
2012-12-25 23:29 <whitequark> _REALLY_ good error reporting
2012-12-25 23:30 <whitequark> it knows how typedefs expand, for example, and provides both the input form and expanded one
2012-12-25 23:30 <whitequark> and highlights the offending token
2012-12-25 23:30 <whitequark> automatic loop vectorizer (in 3.2), which is quite clever
2012-12-25 23:31 <whitequark> also one llvm binary can support as much architectures as you want
2012-12-25 23:31 <whitequark> with every single possible triplet
2012-12-25 23:32 <whitequark> proper link-time optimization (but only for dependencies compiled with LLVM, of course)
2012-12-25 23:32 <whitequark> etc.
2012-12-25 23:40 <wpwrak> yeah, its the most interesting feature are the good optimizations
2012-12-25 23:41 <whitequark> in unrelated news, I suck at packaging presents
2012-12-25 23:47 <wpwrak> aren't you a bit late with that ?
2012-12-25 23:51 <whitequark> nay. a girl I know has a birthday at 25th, which obviously coincides with xmas (which isn't really celebrated here by people <45yo), with new year (which IS celebrated widely enough so that there are two or so holiday weeks to get rid of hangover), AND with exams at university, of which there are 2-3 a day from the start of the previous week to evening of Dec 31
2012-12-25 23:53 <whitequark> and by coincides I mean that her parents decided that it just should be merged to the new year drinkup. yes, the kind with tons of distant relatives
2012-12-25 23:54 <whitequark> so, tomorrow is when I decided it to actually be, at least this year. tomorrow as not to coincide with university stuff.
2012-12-25 23:55 <whitequark> or today already
2012-12-25 23:56 <wpwrak> complicated ;-)
2012-12-25 23:57 <wpwrak> here, xmas and new year are both celebrated in similar ways, with champagne or cider and fireworks
2012-12-25 23:57 <whitequark> pretty simple and sad actually. especially that not everyone is able to show a finger to those relatives one rather won't see again until the cold death of universe.
2012-12-25 23:58 <whitequark> (celebrated) well, the problem is, I hate alcohol
2012-12-25 23:58 <wpwrak> and each is followed by just one day of public holiday. so there's little time for the christmas spirit to leave your system :) of course, this is also summer holiday season, so a lot of people are already taking holidays now or right after new year
2012-12-25 23:59 <whitequark> (public holiday) haha, 2 weeks prior to new year stuff begins to clog. especially roads and postal service
2012-12-25 23:59 <wpwrak> urgh
2012-12-25 23:59 <whitequark> and 2 weeks after nothing works
2012-12-25 23:59 <whitequark> at all
2012-12-25 23:59 <wpwrak> well, maybe that's because of the famous russian winter