2012-12-03 00:06 Is it simple to tether the nanonote to an android phone? 2012-12-03 00:06 GNUtoo has quit [Quit: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.] 2012-12-03 00:07 good question, I'm wondering whether someone tried 2012-12-03 00:07 it would work if android could act in usb host mode and then forward/nat network traffic 2012-12-03 00:08 That would be ideal and replace my needs for wifi functionality 2012-12-03 00:11 if the "open hardware" side isn't the most important to you, you could try a GCW Zero device (once it ships) 2012-12-03 00:15 Interesting. It is my goal to go for open hardware though. 2012-12-03 00:17 Is sharism.cc the best place to pick a Nanonote up? 2012-12-03 00:20 urandom__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2012-12-03 00:22 jurting_pc3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 00:26 jurting_pc3 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-12-03 00:27 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 00:27 porchaso0 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2012-12-03 00:30 yes, I think so 2012-12-03 00:31 Thanks 2012-12-03 00:31 MistahDarcy: I am running that site and if you order there, it will ship with fedex from hk the next day 2012-12-03 00:31 if you are in the us, should be at your door 2-3 days later 2012-12-03 00:31 Sweet. 2012-12-03 00:31 not what people are used to with amazon's great operation nowadays, but pretty good still I think :-) 2012-12-03 00:32 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 00:32 2-3 days is crazy from HK 2012-12-03 00:33 well ok, I hope I did not overpromise now, urgh :-) 2012-12-03 00:33 sometimes there is an unexpected public holiday in HK, or the timezone adds another day, etc. 2012-12-03 00:33 but anyway, yes. sharism.cc it is 2012-12-03 00:33 if you order one - thanks a lot! 2012-12-03 00:34 Definitely, it goes towards a great cause 2012-12-03 00:34 yes! thanks! 2012-12-03 00:34 hopefully there will be more hardware revisions in the future 2012-12-03 00:34 I hope so too but they will be different :-) we need to apply all the many things we learned from the Ben and it's large brother the Milkymist One 2012-12-03 00:34 large and different brother 2012-12-03 00:35 but right now this is what we got, and it's not a bad thing to think about and tinker with, imho 2012-12-03 00:35 and use 2012-12-03 00:35 I personally like the small form factor 2012-12-03 00:41 I just submitted my order 2012-12-03 00:41 Excited! :) 2012-12-03 00:46 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-12-03 00:51 thanks a lot! 2012-12-03 00:51 Thank you. 2012-12-03 00:59 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 01:05 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 01:16 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-12-03 01:17 jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 01:20 jurting has quit [Client Quit] 2012-12-03 01:24 jurting_pc3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 01:29 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 01:34 kristianpaul: i was thinking of the sample rate. didn't notice it had no separate I/Q. thought everybody had that these days :) 2012-12-03 01:37 the form factor of the ben is indeed amazing. and i'd still love to do a successor. maybe an idea for a crowdfunding project ? 2012-12-03 01:42 Crowdfunding would be great. Especially with goals set (for X amount of $, a better screen, etc) 2012-12-03 01:44 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2012-12-03 01:44 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 01:45 MistahDarcy: that's messy and probably wouldn't work. you need one product, ideally without variants. otherwise you never get to useful quantities. 2012-12-03 01:46 MistahDarcy: also, each option/variant you develop costs in terms of development effort and splits the user base 2012-12-03 01:46 I didn't mean multiple models 2012-12-03 01:47 For instance, if $10,000 was raised, a screen that had X resolution would be used 2012-12-03 01:47 ah, i see 2012-12-03 01:47 While if $20,000 was raised, the screen would be upgraded (for the entire thing) 2012-12-03 01:47 there could be some things that can be done in such a way, yes 2012-12-03 01:50 for the screen, you'd probably want something with about the same number of dpi as the current model, but with much smaller borders. i.e., the current resolution feels about right, but a bit more screen real estate would be welcome. of course, it depends on what you do - for a custom application, even what the ben has is often good enough. 2012-12-03 01:52 I see one big problem with that approach, based on my last 5 years of learning about hw :-) 2012-12-03 01:52 and that is that you don't "build" something with some budget X and then it's built and everybody is happy 2012-12-03 01:52 wolfspraul: you mean the missing zero ? :) 2012-12-03 01:53 a hardware business needs focus on how fast inventory is turned around 2012-12-03 01:53 well, you can sell more afterwards 2012-12-03 01:53 the number of days from when cash goes out to buy the first physical good, until the day cash comes in for selling the finished physical product 2012-12-03 01:53 crowdfunding would be to get the thing rolling 2012-12-03 01:54 if that's not the focus, well. it will be a fun project but it will go nowhere from there. 2012-12-03 01:54 yes, it starts rolling an illusion :-) 2012-12-03 01:54 which is to 'spend' some amount of money to 'build' something 2012-12-03 01:54 how is this different from a startup ? 2012-12-03 01:54 that is easy, I think we've done that in every imaginable way by now, no? :-) 2012-12-03 01:55 and yes, of course, if you have things sit on the shelf for ages, that's not good. worse if they stay there forever. 2012-12-03 01:56 Dreamcast. :D 2012-12-03 01:57 split it in two and it makes sense: 1) R&D, 2) first production run. if you can charge just for 1), even better. else, you need to combine the two. 2012-12-03 01:59 Off topic-ish, but has anyone read the blog at www.yearofopensource.net ? 2012-12-03 02:00 nice idea :) 2012-12-03 02:00 It's how I eventually ended up finding out about the Ben Nanonote. 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#qi-hardware 2012-12-03 18:39 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-12-03 18:41 hmm ... sounds nice but raising an entire hardware shop (three major products, all sorts of accessories) on just USD 72k and in less than 2 months ? http://www.indiegogo.com/pengpod 2012-12-03 18:44 well, maybe they found an OEM and are just providing the software. similar to how the Ben was made. 2012-12-03 18:53 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 18:56 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 18:58 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2012-12-03 19:23 lekernel_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 19:23 lekernel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-12-03 20:09 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 20:47 looking at pics seems OEM yeap 2012-12-03 21:08 rz2k has quit [] 2012-12-03 21:25 indeed 2012-12-03 21:25 hi 2012-12-03 21:25 there is the android buttons 2012-12-03 21:33 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-12-03 21:35 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 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has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-12-03 23:24 urandom__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2012-12-03 23:24 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 23:36 hmm, does anyone know of a function that approximates averaging using a triangular filter/window, but without the need to store the whole sample set in the window ? 2012-12-03 23:37 e.g., something similar to EWMA, but with dampening of new values, not just old ones. 2012-12-03 23:38 the purpose is to find "off" given a series of samples of y(t) = off+amp*sin(t*w)+noise 2012-12-03 23:39 amp and w are not exactly known 2012-12-03 23:41 hmm, a slow enough EWMA may actually do the trick. not perfectly, but with reasonable accuracy 2012-12-03 23:48 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-03 23:52 hey know any rich people?: http://lkcl.net/articles/fsf_endorseable_processor.html 2012-12-03 23:56 nah, not radical enough... 2012-12-03 23:59 well, kinda ambitious. but they seem to have experience. still ambitious, though