2012-12-02 00:44 jurting has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-12-02 00:51 jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 00:55 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 01:18 larsc: wpwrak: pcercuei: I wouldn't know how T F to read this. The comment about code obfuscation contest was pretty much to the point 2012-12-02 01:19 DocScrutinizer05: you program better when you understand things, that's why I asked 2012-12-02 01:19 you program best when you avoid by all means that stuff that nobody understands 2012-12-02 01:20 I disagree 2012-12-02 01:20 you program best when you avoid that sort of stuff, but you should understand why 2012-12-02 01:20 maybe because it's ambiguous nonsensical syntax? 2012-12-02 01:23 I don't need to know what ما نكح means to avoid it 2012-12-02 01:23 that's your opinion 2012-12-02 01:23 the thing in question was ((-1) >> 1) 2012-12-02 01:25 no, the ting in question been >>= 2012-12-02 01:26 which might make a decent parser segfault 2012-12-02 01:27 well that's the same 2012-12-02 01:28 I doubt '>>=' has any reasonable meaning in any language other than c, and even there it's extremely obfuscated 2012-12-02 01:29 why would it be? 2012-12-02 01:29 it's not more obfuscated than x += 1 2012-12-02 01:29 uhuh 2012-12-02 01:30 aaah, well then blame it to my poor C skills, you're right 2012-12-02 01:30 and as long as the Linux kernel's patch reviewing tool accepts it, I'll use it 2012-12-02 01:36 dandon has quit [Quit: .] 2012-12-02 01:36 anyway, the syntactical shortcut = , for = tends to look ill-formed for operators that don't consist of a single char 2012-12-02 01:36 pcercuei: maybe C needs a unary >> and << as well ? like x = x+1; -> x += 1; -> x++; with shift x = x >> 1; -> x >>= 1; -> x>>; /* or similar */ 2012-12-02 01:37 I don't think that one exists 2012-12-02 01:38 DocScrutinizer05: it's just a question of what you're used to. >>= and <<= are indeed relatively uncommon since incremental shifts often aren't expressed as such 2012-12-02 01:38 x>>> then 2012-12-02 01:38 or x>>>> 2012-12-02 01:38 pcercuei: i just made it up :) 2012-12-02 01:38 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, more consistent but a lot of >s 2012-12-02 01:40 hmm, x»» then 2012-12-02 01:41 makes for a nice x»=1 too 2012-12-02 01:42 x»=7 ;-D 2012-12-02 01:42 yeah. use a non-ascii character :) 2012-12-02 01:44 well, iirc in some language *) been a transscription of } 2012-12-02 01:44 pascal maybe? 2012-12-02 01:45 yup 2012-12-02 01:45 maybe /* is a transscription of italic-* 2012-12-02 01:46 who knows, maybe >> is a transscription of » 2012-12-02 01:46 to work around some ASCII-based character sets using { } [ ] etc. for umlauts or accented characters 2012-12-02 01:46 ;-P 2012-12-02 01:46 this is in fact a common transcription 2012-12-02 01:47 btw, C also has something like this. it's called "trigraph" and it's really pretty 2012-12-02 01:47 * DocScrutinizer05 gasps 2012-12-02 01:49 (-:C 2012-12-02 01:50 I guess you learnt about that in your compiler building times? 2012-12-02 01:53 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigraph#Programmiersprache_C shudder 2012-12-02 01:53 naw, i heard of it before. and quickly decided to ignore it :) 2012-12-02 01:53 a ??!??! b 2012-12-02 01:55 I honestly prefer begin; / end; instead of { / } over the concept that results in a ??!??! b 2012-12-02 01:56 naw, nobody uses trigraphs 2012-12-02 01:56 and begin/end is just too much typing 2012-12-02 01:57 and x = x >> 7 is also too much typing. well, not for me 2012-12-02 01:59 well, it may have started as an optimization help. when compilers were really dumb. 2012-12-02 01:59 otoh you frequently see fools typing stuff like bool b; if (b == true) 2012-12-02 02:01 when i'd get a penny for each "== true", "== false", "!= true", "!= false" my eyes had to read, I'd be rich 2012-12-02 02:03 or if (foo != 0) ... 2012-12-02 02:04 basically the same, but has at least a tiny bit of implicit documentation 2012-12-02 02:06 if C wasn't so broken by design, you'd actually need that. Only the friggin loose typing of C allows using an integer as a boolean 2012-12-02 02:08 it has it's advantages, sure 2012-12-02 02:08 its 2012-12-02 02:09 particularly all function returns which mean error if <0 and some different type if >0 or >=0 2012-12-02 02:11 otoh this is a botch of its own, a decent language would throw an error instead of return(E_FOO) 2012-12-02 02:11 guanucoluis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-12-02 02:28 c is a fancy macroassembler :) 2012-12-02 02:30 btw, there are languages which allow all of >=, >>= and >>>=, the latter standing for arithmetic shift right. 2012-12-02 02:32 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2012-12-02 02:34 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 02:39 GNUtoo-desktop has quit [Quit: [INFO] fsogsmd : received signal -11, exiting.] 2012-12-02 02:49 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-12-02 02:51 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 03:07 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 03:17 urandom__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2012-12-02 03:24 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2012-12-02 03:26 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 03:44 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 03:44 lekernel__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-12-02 03:46 nerd has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 03:59 dandon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 04:04 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-12-02 04:04 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 04:45 nerd has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 2012-12-02 05:27 GunTheJury has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 05:27 I sure hope someone with a brain is here tonight... 2012-12-02 05:28 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 05:29 GunTheJury has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-12-02 06:20 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-12-02 06:31 Mistah_Darcy has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 06:59 Hoolxi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-12-02 07:13 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 07:15 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2012-12-02 07:29 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 07:46 nerd has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 07:51 nerd has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2012-12-02 09:09 jekhor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2012-12-02 09:11 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 09:20 rz2k has quit [] 2012-12-02 09:42 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 09:42 xiangfu has quit [Client Quit] 2012-12-02 09:43 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 10:08 nerd has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 10:34 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-12-02 11:00 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 11:00 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 11:08 xiangfu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2012-12-02 12:45 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 13:15 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 13:20 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 13:32 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 14:29 Hoolxi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-12-02 14:30 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-12-02 14:33 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 14:38 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-12-02 14:43 1000$ !!! 2012-12-02 14:43 :-| 2012-12-02 14:46 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2012-12-02 14:50 (piksi) 2012-12-02 14:57 jurting has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-12-02 15:11 nerd has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 2012-12-02 15:15 nerd has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 15:26 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-12-02 15:27 nerd has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2] 2012-12-02 16:05 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 16:16 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 16:20 GNUtoo-desktop has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-12-02 16:39 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 16:43 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 16:48 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2012-12-02 16:53 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 17:27 kristianpaul: is the new printer working well ? :) 2012-12-02 17:34 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 18:11 GNUtoo has quit [Quit: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.] 2012-12-02 18:34 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2012-12-02 19:15 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 19:36 wpwrak: hah 2012-12-02 19:36 a 2012-12-02 19:40 Mistah_Darcy is now known as MistahDarcy 2012-12-02 20:22 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 20:59 nerd has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 21:23 rz2k has quit [] 2012-12-02 22:00 GNUtoo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2012-12-02 22:03 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 22:06 Jurting_pc2 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 22:10 kristianpaul: what's interesting about that piski board? 2012-12-02 22:10 piksi 2012-12-02 22:10 1000 USD? 2012-12-02 22:18 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2012-12-02 22:22 this one ? http://swift-nav.com/piksi.html 2012-12-02 22:24 yes 2012-12-02 22:24 I was wondering what is special about that board 2012-12-02 22:25 the samling rate seems unusually high 2012-12-02 22:26 s/samling/sampling 2012-12-02 22:26 wpwrak meant: "the sampling rate seems unusually high" 2012-12-02 22:26 at least for GPS 2012-12-02 22:43 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 22:43 Hi 2012-12-02 23:27 not sure, i tought they opensourced their correlator but is to closed to dated 2012-12-02 23:29 wpwrak: thats an usual sample rate for a IF ic that do not have separate phase and quadrature sampling 2012-12-02 23:29 wpwrak: i guess you meant high that 3-bit, 16.368 MS/s ? 2012-12-02 23:29 and 3 bits may be a plus for indoors aplications 2012-12-02 23:30 wolfspraul: pehaps their libs but i dont find any else 2012-12-02 23:39 Is there still active development going on with the Ben Nanonote? 2012-12-02 23:42 MistahDarcy: depends on how you define 'active'? :-) 2012-12-02 23:42 what do you mean? 2012-12-02 23:42 the software is definitely being maintained and we try to improve it 2012-12-02 23:42 That's what I mean... in a nutshell. lol 2012-12-02 23:42 Thanks 2012-12-02 23:42 but there is no big new target/goal that I'm aware of, at the moment 2012-12-02 23:43 all the main stuff works, music player, video player, etc. 2012-12-02 23:43 Nice. I'm considering getting one for the open hardware concept 2012-12-02 23:44 Between the nanonote or the Pandora, but I'm not entirely sure the pandora is open hardware? 2012-12-02 23:45 openpandora didn't go as far as the nanonote in terms of trying to open up the whole thing 2012-12-02 23:46 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-12-02 23:47 I see. Is the SPECTEC SDIO still the best option for Wifi? 2012-12-02 23:51 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-12-02 23:51 if you need wifi, get the openpandora :-) 2012-12-02 23:52 (if you can, the op team is still working on their 4-year old list of prepaid preorders...) 2012-12-02 23:53 Yeah... their business model seems kind of sketch 2012-12-02 23:53 we tried wifi on the nanonote and got it to work to a certain degree, but I cannot recommend that 2012-12-02 23:53 well they try 2012-12-02 23:59 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]