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2012-11-26 03:45 <wolfspraul> I'm moving the buildhost (which also runs schhist) to a new server and building a new kicad in the process
2012-11-26 03:45 <wolfspraul> will use rev3493 which is the latest supported by eda-tools, I think
2012-11-26 03:46 <wolfspraul> this time I will not make a debian package first, but just build and install the kicad app directly (make install)
2012-11-26 03:46 <wolfspraul> let's see how it goes :-)
2012-11-26 03:48 <roh> hey wolfspraul
2012-11-26 03:49 <wolfspraul> hi!
2012-11-26 03:49 <wolfspraul> how are you (and gismo)?
2012-11-26 03:50 <roh> we are fine so far ;)
2012-11-26 03:50 <wolfspraul> I've been doing a little bit of mechanical experiments lately, nothing at your level though...
2012-11-26 03:51 <wolfspraul> first I bought a number of Japanese kids toys, they have interesting stuff
2012-11-26 03:51 <roh> its a daily struggle to be who we are, but we are kinda used to it by now ;)
2012-11-26 03:51 <wolfspraul> like rubbery plastics you can bend and stick together, or stiff plastic parts to build things
2012-11-26 03:51 <roh> nice.. actually.. i refurbished our lasercutter a bit recently
2012-11-26 03:51 <wolfspraul> and now I am using that flood of iphone5 cases and see what else (besides an iphone) I can fit inside :-)
2012-11-26 03:52 <roh> also we now have 3 different working 3d printers in the raumfahrtagentur by now.. and my milling knowledge is getting better in small stepps.
2012-11-26 03:52 <wolfspraul> something I just recently became more interested in are sewing machines, controlled by Linux of course
2012-11-26 03:52 <wolfspraul> do you know much about that?
2012-11-26 03:52 <roh> hehe.. nice.. if you find a useable one to hack tell us..
2012-11-26 03:52 <wolfspraul> I need to google a bit
2012-11-26 03:53 <roh> you know we got a textile work place inside the rfa as well?
2012-11-26 03:53 <wpwrak> hacking sewing machines. that's unusual :)
2012-11-26 03:53 <roh> with a sewing machine.. which can do patterns.. but no external connection (those are much more expensive)
2012-11-26 03:54 <roh> a friend of us has hacked knitting machines.. to knit patterns and logos
2012-11-26 03:54 <roh> fabienne .. (fbz)
2012-11-26 03:55 <wolfspraul> interesting
2012-11-26 03:55 <wolfspraul> I see it just like a sewing robot and was hoping to be able to control everything :-)
2012-11-26 03:55 <roh> i think it was on hack-a-day somewhere
2012-11-26 03:56 <wolfspraul> not just upload some design in a complicated way and then have the machine do something, but a more immediate control in real-time
2012-11-26 03:56 <roh> hehe.. i like that i now see cnc machines everywhere.
2012-11-26 03:56 <roh> every printer.. atm... scanner...
2012-11-26 03:56 <wolfspraul> don't understand
2012-11-26 03:56 <wolfspraul> you see?
2012-11-26 03:56 <roh> even a car nowadays is more a computer with wheels than what it was 50 years ago.
2012-11-26 03:56 <wolfspraul> ah yes
2012-11-26 03:57 <roh> well.. when i started with cnc stuff i was looking at what people call cnc machines.. basically only a few tools.. mills.. lathes.. machining centers... etc.
2012-11-26 03:57 <roh> but to be precise.. we got em everywhere. all around us in the consumer world as well.
2012-11-26 03:58 <roh> which gives proof to the theory that making cnc stuff 'easier' and 'cheaper' to get em in every school and make people understand how to use them possible.
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2012-11-26 03:59 <roh> from my pov.. everything which is possible to automate when it comes to work/production/logistics etc will be at that point where the machine/the robot is cheaper in TCO. reality prooves that again and again recently.
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2012-11-26 04:01 <roh> so either we make the knowledge of how to use those machines, how they work and how to design them and for them publicly accessible for everybody or we will have a very poor majority and a very rich elite... and big tensions in society.
2012-11-26 04:01 <wolfspraul> I see you still have energy to tacke the really big problems ;-)
2012-11-26 04:01 <wolfspraul> tackle
2012-11-26 04:01 <wolfspraul> that is good
2012-11-26 04:01 <roh> since i dont believe that the gains of automatisation are distributed by the current industry/politics i think we need to do that bottom up.. and make everybody an industrialist. a producer and not only a consument.
2012-11-26 04:01 <roh> eh consumer
2012-11-26 04:03 <roh> well.. i'd say we live in interresting times.. and are fortunate enough that we have the time to think and talk about such stuff. somehow i feel that makes one responsible to also act respectively (within the powers one has)
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2012-11-26 04:04 <roh> and as long as i got enough customers to enable me to keep doing stuff with a open source mindset.. i will so :)
2012-11-26 04:04 <roh> currently its sadly just enough... could use some projects for the next year.
2012-11-26 04:06 <wolfspraul> did you just get up or still up?
2012-11-26 04:07 <roh> i got up at about 1am... 4hours ago
2012-11-26 04:07 <wolfspraul> ouch :-)
2012-11-26 04:07 <wolfspraul> treat your own machine well :-)
2012-11-26 04:09 <wolfspraul> any interesting new project you work on right now?
2012-11-26 04:09 <roh> i do.. i usually sleep without a alarm clock.. till i just wake up :)
2012-11-26 04:10 <roh> not really.. atleast none which i see that i can do them fulltime till done since their monetary feedback would be too small/slow
2012-11-26 04:11 <roh> i worked on our spdif mux a bit, but i need to find the time to actually finalize the design and order the pcbs to be made and write the software needed
2012-11-26 04:12 <roh> i would really like to do small embedded stuff which makes our lifes more like we were promised in the 80/90s ;)
2012-11-26 04:14 <wolfspraul> most people use smartphones for that, and they are doing wonders
2012-11-26 04:14 <roh> home automatisation stuff.. but different to the industry. with focus on cost, size, part availability and how one can realisticly retrofit them at usual existing buildings. also i dont like central control systems ;) so it will be decentralized and 'keep working' even if parts are destroyed/cut off.
2012-11-26 04:14 <wolfspraul> I'm looking more into IC design recently, would like to make my own chip :-)
2012-11-26 04:14 <roh> well.. so far there is no smartphone which survives my imap folder... x-]
2012-11-26 04:14 <wolfspraul> so after kicad, toped is next...
2012-11-26 04:15 <roh> hehe.. well.. who knows what a 10 year old chip making machine costs used?
2012-11-26 04:16 <wolfspraul> I think the entire process is long and involves many machines
2012-11-26 04:16 <wolfspraul> over 500 processing steps for a recent-gen process
2012-11-26 04:16 <roh> i think we have lots of fascinating opptortunities due to the commodotisation of quite high end fabrication technologies
2012-11-26 04:16 <wolfspraul> yes
2012-11-26 04:17 <roh> and what the opensource hw has shown me so far is that 'more experiments' happen when stuff is in the open
2012-11-26 04:17 <roh> so who knows what we might find out. maybe just nobody tried?
2012-11-26 04:23 <wolfspraul> nice, I was able to just 'apt-get -t unstable install fped' on the new server
2012-11-26 04:23 <wolfspraul> PROGRESS! :-)
2012-11-26 04:27 <wolfspraul> xiangfu: on the new server (called 'pertain'), I want to use /var/tmp better
2012-11-26 04:27 <wolfspraul> so let's move all temporary files into there, symlink from /home/user/tmp to /var/tmp/user etc.
2012-11-26 04:27 <wolfspraul> then I can backup the rest of the machine but not /var/tmp
2012-11-26 04:27 <wolfspraul> this is how I understood /var/tmp at least...
2012-11-26 04:28 <xiangfu> ok
2012-11-26 04:42 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: I am going to commit the qi-update-all script along with schhist, if you don't mind
2012-11-26 04:42 <wolfspraul> that's the best place to keep it. if you don't like it there then maybe another subfolder or even repo, but I think this should be fine... just fyi
2012-11-26 04:44 <qi-bot> [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: commit qi-update-all script along with rest of schhist (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/7a16e0f
2012-11-26 04:44 <wolfspraul> there it is :-) (sorry a little fast, but I want to move this stuff off my table...)
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2012-11-26 05:03 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: yes, good idea
2012-11-26 05:04 <wpwrak> of course, it would be even better if it has a comment at the beginning saying what its role is :)
2012-11-26 05:04 <wpwrak> but one can figure it out from what follows
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2012-11-26 06:23 <qi-bot> [commit] Wolfgang Spraul: curdir fix (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/eda-tools/b73288f
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2012-11-26 07:35 <wolfspraul> hmm too bad. kicad stops with a dialog box saying "the following libraries could not be found: device" quite often
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2012-11-26 08:49 <wpwrak> you need to install the kicad library as well: https://code.launchpad.net/~kicad-lib-committers/kicad/library
2012-11-26 09:12 <wolfspraul> oh
2012-11-26 09:12 <wolfspraul> what is that exactly?
2012-11-26 09:12 <wolfspraul> this time I only compiled and make installed the kicad binaries
2012-11-26 09:12 <wolfspraul> and then we have projects.qi-hardware.com/kicad-libs.git
2012-11-26 09:13 <wpwrak> the collection of components and modules that are used by default
2012-11-26 09:13 <wolfspraul> I also need to make install the /kicad/library you pointed to?
2012-11-26 09:13 <wpwrak> that is, unless you substitute them with things from our kicad-libs :)
2012-11-26 09:13 <wolfspraul> then I need to find a version that sort-of matches my 3493 I guess
2012-11-26 09:13 <wpwrak> but only very few projects are self-sufficient in that sense yet
2012-11-26 09:13 <wpwrak> it's just symbols and footprints, no code
2012-11-26 09:14 <wolfspraul> ok I will look into it
2012-11-26 09:14 <wolfspraul> thanks!
2012-11-26 09:14 <wpwrak> np :)
2012-11-26 09:15 <wolfspraul> if you don't mind you can have a quick look over projects.qi-hardware.com/schhist, whether anything looks bad
2012-11-26 09:15 <wolfspraul> I didn't re-enable the kernel-randomize_va_space setting yet
2012-11-26 09:15 <wolfspraul> and also no kicad-libs yet
2012-11-26 09:16 <wolfspraul> I will do kicad-libs first, then rebuild everything
2012-11-26 09:16 <wolfspraul> hopefully the randomize_va_space workaround is not needed anymore (3493 now instead of 2448)
2012-11-26 09:17 <wpwrak> starting with f32xbase_c2ben and below, i get "You don't have permission to access /schhist/f32xbase_c2ben/ on this server."
2012-11-26 09:18 <wpwrak> maybe it's still running ?
2012-11-26 09:18 <wpwrak> besides that, the only issue that sticks out are the missing "standard" components
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2012-11-26 10:01 <wolfspraul> hmm
2012-11-26 10:01 <wolfspraul> yes f32xbase_c2ben and labsw have strange permissions
2012-11-26 10:01 <wolfspraul> the others should be ok?
2012-11-26 10:03 <wolfspraul> some problem on my end, no worries
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2012-11-26 10:28 <wolfspraul> ok seems kicad-lib revision 120 is about as old as the sources rev 3493 (2012-04-07)
2012-11-26 10:28 <wolfspraul> so I will take kicad-libs r120...
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2012-11-26 10:51 <wpwrak> probably doesn't matter much. the library should be relatively static
2012-11-26 10:52 <wpwrak> btw, we have our own kicad-libs project, with just the same sort of content. so please be careful with the naming ;-)
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2012-11-26 11:54 <wolfspraul> well
2012-11-26 11:55 <wolfspraul> I just got the kicad-libs, cmake . make make install
2012-11-26 11:55 <wolfspraul> that installs to /usr/share/local/ or so
2012-11-26 11:55 <wolfspraul> /usr/local/share
2012-11-26 11:55 <wolfspraul> let's see how it all works now...
2012-11-26 12:06 <wpwrak> hmm, so far only the index page is there
2012-11-26 12:14 <wolfspraul> yes, be patient
2012-11-26 12:14 <wpwrak> :)
2012-11-26 12:14 <wolfspraul> announcement about fidelio (the server): I will soon delete the machine, it has been moved to a new machine
2012-11-26 12:15 <wolfspraul> we always clearly said all of the data on fidelio is considered tmp data without backups, but for those who have accounts there now may be a good time to speak up
2012-11-26 12:15 <wolfspraul> it's just a handful of accounts and they all look more or less unused for 1 year or more, with tens of gigabytes of temporary build files
2012-11-26 12:16 <wolfspraul> I will shutdown and delete the machine tomorrow or so, after it's all working properly on the new one...
2012-11-26 12:17 <wpwrak> downloads is ... turandot. whatever heathen deity that may be. phew :)
2012-11-26 12:18 <wolfspraul> now I abuse the hostname as a little English class, with words I noticed in a conversation... :-)
2012-11-26 12:18 <wolfspraul> such as 'pertain' or 'hunch'
2012-11-26 12:18 <wpwrak> ;-)
2012-11-26 12:18 <wolfspraul> no I'm just talking about the buildhost
2012-11-26 12:18 <wolfspraul> it's all gigabytes of junk surely
2012-11-26 12:19 <wpwrak> (buildhost) yeah. just didn't know which roles which machine has.
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2012-11-26 13:14 <wolfspra1l> ok, latest version of the schhist histories should be rebuilt
2012-11-26 13:14 <wolfspra1l> this time including (both) kicad-libs, but not yet the va_randomizer workaround
2012-11-26 13:15 <wolfspra1l> hopefully that's not necessary anymore...
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2012-11-26 13:15 <wolfspra1l> calling it a day, will read backlog tmrw
2012-11-26 13:15 <wolfspra1l> n8
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2012-11-26 15:46 <LunaVorax> Hi
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2012-11-26 16:47 <wpwrak> wolfspra1l: looks good. thanks !
2012-11-26 18:33 <whitequark> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTIzNjE
2012-11-26 18:33 <whitequark> nvidia opensourced some 2D hw accel code
2012-11-26 18:34 <whitequark> it somehow seems that amd gets worse and nvidia gets better wrt/ FOSS
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