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2012-10-24 06:56 <kyak> xiangfu: hi! what do you mean by "sound problems" in gmu?
2012-10-24 06:56 <kyak> i tried with some ogg file, there are no problems whatsoever
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2012-10-24 09:08 <xiangfu> kyak, I am use the buildhost image. it give me:
2012-10-24 09:08 <xiangfu> audio: Opening audio device...
2012-10-24 09:08 <xiangfu> audio: Could not open audio: Couldn't open gmu.bmp
2012-10-24 09:08 <xiangfu> audio: Device not opened. Cannot set pause state
2012-10-24 09:08 <xiangfu> fileplayer: Couldn't open audio: Couldn't open gmu.bmp
2012-10-24 09:09 <kyak> "Could not open audio: Couldn't open gmu.bmp" - makes no sense :)
2012-10-24 09:10 <kyak> i'll try the buildhost image.. currently had no problem with my own (which is not different at all, just couple of packages thrown out)
2012-10-24 09:33 <xiangfu> kyak, do you think it 's SDL sound problem?
2012-10-24 09:44 <kyak> well, you mentioned some problems with mplayer.. so i'm not sure
2012-10-24 09:45 <kyak> oh, sorry
2012-10-24 09:45 <kyak> you said gmu/alex4/supertux have sound problem
2012-10-24 09:47 <kyak> i'll try that later..
2012-10-24 09:48 <kyak> i started gmu from command line, not from gmenu2x if that matters
2012-10-24 09:51 <xiangfu> I also try gmu from command.
2012-10-24 09:51 <xiangfu> kyak, what is the output of alsamixer -Vall?
2012-10-24 09:51 <xiangfu> I have 2 'Master' , no 'PCM'
2012-10-24 09:59 <wej> it does sound very much like an SDL problem. this "Couldn't open gmu.bmp" is an SDL error message (which indeed does not make any sense)
2012-10-24 10:00 <wej> it could be as simple as just a wrong value of an SDL environment variable.
2012-10-24 10:45 <kyak> xiangfu: sorry, my Nanonote is left at home, i will tell in several hours
2012-10-24 10:46 <kyak> xiangfu: do you have any problems with other sdl apps, like nightsky?
2012-10-24 10:48 <xiangfu> kyak, no
2012-10-24 10:48 <xiangfu> nightsky works fne
2012-10-24 11:07 <kyak> damn, at least someone has sdw-823 working :)
2012-10-24 11:08 <kyak> i had no success trying to make it work, despite of the fact that i had tried two such cards
2012-10-24 11:09 <kyak> maybe i'll give it another try..
2012-10-24 11:10 <kyak> or even better, package atusb kernel module for my laptop, which i wanted to do long ago and throw sdw-823 away
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2012-10-24 12:43 <hellekin> is Broadcom feeling the heat of competition? http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221
2012-10-24 12:52 <viric> sounds like great news
2012-10-24 12:52 <viric> we'd have to see if this is more than marketing
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2012-10-24 13:58 <xiangfu> kyak: the problem is the buildhost package 'libsdl_1.2.14-2_xburst.ipk'.
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2012-10-24 14:16 <xiangfu> kyak, I just remove the dl/SDL-xxx file. and compile it again. seems it works fine now. let's wait the final image. :)
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2012-10-24 15:25 <mth> hellekin, viric: it's not as big news as the announcement makes it sound, since the GL implementation runs on the GPU
2012-10-24 15:25 <mth> what they released is ARM code to do remote procedure calls into that GL implementation
2012-10-24 15:26 <hellekin> thank you for the clarification mth
2012-10-24 15:26 <mth> check the comments by Luc Verhaegen
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2012-10-24 15:26 <mth> it's a good thing they did release that code, but it's only a small step in terms on openness
2012-10-24 15:27 <hellekin> on another topic, wpwrak do you remember the discussion we had in Porto Alegre regarding possible strategies for Qi, and especially Software Defined Radio?
2012-10-24 15:27 <mth> s/on/of
2012-10-24 15:27 <qi-bot> mth meant: "it's a good thing they did release that code, but it's ofly a small step in terms of openness"
2012-10-24 15:27 <hellekin> I'd like to discuss that more, because I'm working on a plan to massively deploy SDR in latin america, with the help of DRM and FNF
2012-10-24 15:28 <mth> meh, it doesn't just replace words...
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2012-10-24 15:29 <hellekin> yeah, given your regex, it should have replaced only only->ofly ;o)
2012-10-24 15:30 <hellekin> s/ly\b/lo
2012-10-24 15:30 <hellekin> fail :)
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2012-10-24 15:53 <qi-bot> The build was successful: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20121024-1609
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2012-10-24 16:15 <whitequark> mth: it's nothing at all in terms of openness
2012-10-24 16:15 <whitequark> that stuff was basically R/E'd already
2012-10-24 16:16 <whitequark> it's just no one needed it that much to write a EGL shim on top
2012-10-24 16:35 <hellekin> whitequark: openness? Do you mean freedom? When my mouth is open, flies are free to enter it.
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2012-10-24 16:45 <wpwrak> (broadcom) still nice :)
2012-10-24 16:47 <wpwrak> hellekin: yeah, i roughly remember. i think the main issue is to a) find a viable use case and b) finance the deployment. you may also need to find someone to provide the fixed infrastructure.
2012-10-24 16:48 <wpwrak> hellekin: SDR would be a technical choice, not a feature that you use as a differentiator for selling the system, wouldn't it ?
2012-10-24 17:03 <hellekin> wpwrak: if the deal is to deploy thousands of SDR devices for bridging the digital divide, and have that devices made in Brazil, I think both (a) and (b) can be covered. You're in Buenos Aires, right?
2012-10-24 17:05 <hellekin> I need you to meet Thiago from the Digital Radio Mundial... I can't talk about the general strategy on IRC, but I can invite you to come for dinner at our place and discuss it. Then you can decide whether you want to participate...
2012-10-24 17:05 <hellekin> Honestly, I think we are on a solid track :)
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2012-10-24 18:12 <viric> From: Theo de Raadt <deraadt@cvs.openbsd.org>
2012-10-24 18:13 <viric> Well, they are lying to everyone.
2012-10-24 18:13 <viric> > Well, they are lying to everyone.
2012-10-24 18:13 <viric> > Their "open source" is nothing but a layer of code which calls into a
2012-10-24 18:13 <viric> > closed source back-end.
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2012-10-24 18:17 <viric> mth: alles klar
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2012-10-24 18:49 <wpwrak> hellekin: yes, i'm in BUE. sure, we can discuss it, crazy idea or not ;-)
2012-10-24 18:50 <hellekin> crazy enough to work :)
2012-10-24 18:50 <wpwrak> viric: lovely. i think we need a new word that combines "open", "closed", and "fraud". maybe "bastard" ?
2012-10-24 18:51 <hellekin> wpwrak: open source
2012-10-24 18:51 <wpwrak> hellekin: and i'm glad the "DRM" you mentioned isn't the evil one ;-)
2012-10-24 18:51 <hellekin> abierto como un culo
2012-10-24 18:51 <hellekin> sure ;o)
2012-10-24 18:52 <wpwrak> ;-)
2012-10-24 18:52 <hellekin> we need to reappropriate not only hardware, but also acronyms. :)
2012-10-24 18:52 <wpwrak> let's hope it isn't just s??t that comes out ;-)
2012-10-24 18:52 <mth> wpwrak: openwashing? (similar to greenwashing)
2012-10-24 18:52 <hellekin> mth +!
2012-10-24 18:52 <hellekin> +1
2012-10-24 18:52 <wpwrak> mth: i think that's already in taken
2012-10-24 18:53 <wpwrak> s/in /
2012-10-24 18:53 <qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "mth: i think that's already taken"
2012-10-24 18:53 <hellekin> s/th/p
2012-10-24 18:54 <hellekin> ah doesn't work on others posts :)
2012-10-24 18:54 <hellekin> s/th/p
2012-10-24 18:54 <qi-bot> hellekin meant: "ah doesn't work on opers posts :)"
2012-10-24 18:54 <hellekin> hehehe
2012-10-24 18:54 * hellekin end of pause 
2012-10-24 18:55 <wpwrak> "i pink pat's already taken" ? that's an odd one. is it from the cybernetic lyrics department ?
2012-10-24 18:55 <hellekin> cyphernetics pyrics department
2012-10-24 18:59 <wpwrak> funny, when you google for "pyrics", nothing immediately identifiable as fire-related shows up
2012-10-24 19:01 <hellekin> yeah, Greek is missing from Google Search algorithms
2012-10-24 19:01 <wpwrak> hellekin: anyway, when do you propose to meet ?
2012-10-24 19:02 <wpwrak> i kinda doubt any language spoken within a few astronomical units from google HQ is missing in their algorithms :) they may just not think it likely that someone from .ar would be interested in results for .gr
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2012-10-24 19:07 <larsc> yea, I'm always astonished how different the search results are depending on which google.tld you use
2012-10-24 19:07 <wpwrak> or where you are ...
2012-10-24 19:10 <larsc> that's not so bad if you search for generic things
2012-10-24 19:10 <larsc> if you search for barbershop you'd probably get something close to you
2012-10-24 19:11 <hellekin> wpwrak: whenever you want, we're all living under the same roof ;o)
2012-10-24 19:11 <wpwrak> (barbershop) hmm, i guuess youre right, technically: www.imdb.com/title/tt0303714/
2012-10-24 19:12 <wpwrak> hellekin: how does friday sound ?
2012-10-24 19:15 <hellekin> s
2012-10-24 19:15 <hellekin> wpwrak: perfect. What time? Are you free during the day or do you want to have dinner?
2012-10-24 19:17 <wpwrak> i'm free the whole day
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2012-10-24 19:18 <hellekin> ok, then we can have lunch and enjoy the Sun :)
2012-10-24 19:19 <hellekin> or whatever you like
2012-10-24 19:19 <wpwrak> sounds good to me
2012-10-24 19:20 <wpwrak> friday should indeed be sunny :)
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2012-10-24 20:12 <pcercuei> guys
2012-10-24 20:13 <pcercuei> is the data copied when calling realloc() ?
2012-10-24 20:13 <pcercuei> or is there some mmap-fu being applied?
2012-10-24 20:18 <larsc> depends
2012-10-24 20:19 <larsc> it's basically up to the implementation how it does it
2012-10-24 20:19 <pcercuei> ok.
2012-10-24 20:19 <pcercuei> then I believe I should avoid it if possible
2012-10-24 20:20 <larsc> if there is enough space to hold the extra data the allocater will just extend the region
2012-10-24 20:20 <larsc> otherwise it will allocate a new region which is large enough
2012-10-24 20:20 <larsc> and do a memcpy
2012-10-24 20:29 <pcercuei> ok
2012-10-24 20:30 <viric> realloc is quite comfortable
2012-10-24 20:30 <viric> I like to use it
2012-10-24 20:41 <whitequark> hellekin: well, OSS and FOSS are different things.
2012-10-24 20:41 <whitequark> some people I know do not consider BSD-style licenses to be "truly free"
2012-10-24 20:42 <whitequark> I, in fact, do not consider GPL-style license to be "truly free". it's a weapon in fact, and quite a powerful one.
2012-10-24 20:44 <whitequark> wpwrak: "broadcom" and "nice" in same sentence? were you replaced by a corporate agent?
2012-10-24 21:01 <wpwrak> whitequark: well, i give them the benefit of the doubt. that one seems to be a shady deal, though
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2012-10-24 21:02 <whitequark> wpwrak: there was no single instance when broadcom willfully released something good
2012-10-24 21:02 <whitequark> I believe they opened the bcm4312 wifi driver some time ago, after years of struggle, and it wasn't particularly good
2012-10-24 21:04 <wpwrak> bad but open code can be replaced with good code
2012-10-24 21:04 <wpwrak> bad closed code will always stay bad
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2012-10-24 21:17 <hellekin> whitequark: that is open source https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2012/10/22/help-us-test-the-social-api-with-facebook-messenger-for-firefox/
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2012-10-24 21:54 <whitequark> hellekin: oh, talking about firefox... I don't understand what do they like so much in the bazaar development model.
2012-10-24 21:54 <whitequark> the fact that bugs which bother lots of people can be opened for 12 years?
2012-10-24 21:56 <whitequark> objective #0 for a programmer is to produce good software. being an open source project often helps. if objective #0 is not fulfilled, then there is no value in allowing as much people to participate as you want or whatever.
2012-10-24 22:02 <pcercuei> it's like objective #1, but for computer guys? ;)
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2012-10-24 23:05 <hellekin> pcercuei: lol ; whitequark true, and that model allows marketers to take over and deal with evil corporations like facebook instead of promoting freedom. It's ugly what they're doing
2012-10-24 23:06 <hellekin> gotta run... ttyl
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