2012-10-15 00:44 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 00:46 wpwrak: had you ever ordered from rs-online? 2012-10-15 00:49 let's see what that is .. 2012-10-15 00:49 rs-online.com.ar ? 2012-10-15 00:50 pcercuei has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-10-15 00:50 and no, i never bought from them 2012-10-15 00:51 .ar no 2012-10-15 00:57 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 01:12 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-15 01:27 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 02:01 nikescar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-10-15 02:02 nikescar has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 02:29 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2012-10-15 02:42 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 03:03 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-10-15 03:03 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 03:37 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-15 05:41 The build was successful: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20121015-0257 2012-10-15 06:13 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 06:25 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 06:31 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 06:57 liuqi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-15 07:29 kristoffer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 07:37 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-10-15 08:19 [commit] kyak: keymouse: update dl method, drop patches (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/ed585eb 2012-10-15 08:47 [commit] kyak: mplayer:depends on libmpg123 if BUILD_PATENTED (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/b5a00a3 2012-10-15 08:58 LunaVorax has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2012-10-15 09:09 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 09:10 LunaVorax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-10-15 11:00 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 11:12 [commit] Xiangfu: avrdude: fix depends (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/6a2b914 2012-10-15 11:20 xiangfu: hi, this is the final patch i'm using with qt4: https://gist.github.com/3891999 2012-10-15 11:20 might help with the issues on buildhost 2012-10-15 11:20 * xiangfu click.. 2012-10-15 11:21 xiangfu: what could be the reson for "Error - can't retrieve XBurst CPU information: -110" when trying to flash? lsusb shows ID 601a:4740 Ingenic Semiconductor Ltd. XBurst Jz4740 boot mode 2012-10-15 11:22 kyak, I will apply your patch. and continue build the image. 2012-10-15 11:22 also it's not bricked, i can boot fine :) perhaps some intermittent problem that might go away after i reboot?.. 2012-10-15 11:22 kyak, are you using software-usbboot or hardware-usbboot? 2012-10-15 11:22 the software i guess (U+Power) 2012-10-15 11:23 xiangfu: you might want to apply the patch for package-ipkg.mk i sent you as well.. 2012-10-15 11:23 kyak, already done that on buildhost. thanks. 2012-10-15 11:24 there is no reply in according bug report (12317) 2012-10-15 11:25 kyak, I will test the u-boot software usbboot mode later today. 2012-10-15 11:25 kyak, the final image almost here: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20121015-0257/ 2012-10-15 11:26 kyak, after apply your qt patch. I will try to build qball/qstardict again. no matter it build or not. I will start test the images. 2012-10-15 11:26 kyak, I will include the new avrdude package. which is used in werner's ledtoy. :) 2012-10-15 11:26 nice :) 2012-10-15 11:27 kyak, package-ipkg.mk. your patch looks good. 2012-10-15 11:28 kyak, after changed a new fan. my computer get better. less noise. lower temperature then before. :) 2012-10-15 11:28 maybe i will try hardware usbboot.. i swear it was working just yesterday (but yesterday i also had my host kernel updated) 2012-10-15 11:29 xiangfu: i'm getting a new laptop today.. In fact i'm waiting for the damn delivery guy 2012-10-15 11:30 kyak, ok. so you change whole computer. much better then change only fan. :-D 2012-10-15 11:30 usbboot returns CPU info: Crystal work at 12MHz, the CCLK up to 252MHz and PMH_CLK up to 84MHz etc.. 2012-10-15 11:30 kyak, you are using the new u-boot right? 2012-10-15 11:31 yep, the new one 2012-10-15 11:31 which i flashed just yesterday 2012-10-15 11:32 kyak, is that happen once or everytime you reflash? 2012-10-15 11:32 maybe i'll connect the second nanonote, which has an older u-boot … 2012-10-15 11:32 this started to happen just today 2012-10-15 11:34 yeah, works flawlessly on the second NN 2012-10-15 11:34 oh, maybe not quite.. 2012-10-15 11:35 http://dpaste.org/5QmTQ/ 2012-10-15 11:35 stil -110 at the end 2012-10-15 11:35 kyak, can you try this u-boot: http://fidelio.qi-hardware.com/~xiangfu/build-nanonote/openwrt-xburst.full_system-20121015-0257/openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-u-boot.bin 2012-10-15 11:38 kyak, after load stage2.bin. usbboot try to read the 'CPU data' again. your error because it take too long to read the data by usb. 2012-10-15 11:41 kyak, this can fixed by increase the delay inside the usbboot code. (http://projects.qi-hardware.com/index.php/p/xburst-tools/source/tree/master/usbboot/src/ingenic_usb.c#L331) 2012-10-15 11:41 kyak, this maybe because your new kernel? what is your new kernel version? (I am using 3.2.0-24-generic in my laptop) 2012-10-15 11:53 mine is 3.6.2 2012-10-15 11:54 i will downgrade and try 2012-10-15 12:06 xiangfu: works great on 3.5.6 2012-10-15 12:08 xiangfu: btw, do you know why usbboot doesn't check if a chunk was successfully flashed, when flashing bootloader? 2012-10-15 12:08 compare: 2012-10-15 12:08 Finish! (len 360448 start_page 0 page_num 88) 2012-10-15 12:08 Checking 360448 bytes... No check! end at page: 88 2012-10-15 12:08 that's for bootloader 2012-10-15 12:08 and for kernel: 2012-10-15 12:09 Finish! (len 524288 start_page 1024 page_num 128) 2012-10-15 12:09 Checking 524288 bytes... Comparing 524288 bytes - SUCCESS 2012-10-15 12:09 you see, there is no "SUCCESS" when flashing bootloader 2012-10-15 12:09 so the progress bar get's confused, because it relies on "SUCCESS" string 2012-10-15 12:10 the bootloader may lack ECC 2012-10-15 12:10 or use some weird one 2012-10-15 12:10 but as it's writing, something could be checked I guess 2012-10-15 12:16 the best practice is generally to first write everything, then verify everything. that way, also writes that went to the wrong place are detected. 2012-10-15 12:17 kyak, because. the jz4740 cpu can only read 2KB nand at boot time. even the nand is 4KB. it still load 2KB. 2012-10-15 12:18 kyak, so when we reflash the bootloader. we reflash like [2KB(skip 2kb)] [2KB(skip 2kb)] 2012-10-15 12:20 xiangfu: btw, thanks for including the latest avrdude ! 2012-10-15 12:20 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 12:24 xiangfu: yeah, that's clear, but why we don't check (SUCCESS) the first chunk in this case? 2012-10-15 12:29 kyak, no reason. there is just no such message. feel free to add one. :) 2012-10-15 12:30 wpwrak, you are welcome. 2012-10-15 12:47 xiangfu: ok, i'll have a look 2012-10-15 12:49 Jurting has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-10-15 12:52 kyak, at that time. I do copy a lot of windows ingenic code. 2012-10-15 12:53 does it mean we would be able to flash from windows? 2012-10-15 12:53 kyak, basically the linux relate code is better then others like ingenic_usb.c :) 2012-10-15 12:53 kyak, yes. we can 2012-10-15 12:54 sounds great.. though a working RNDIS would be so much better 2012-10-15 12:55 kyak, the windows code is here: http://downloads.openmobilefree.net/Ingneic/xburst-tools-windows/. 2012-10-15 12:56 kyak, ingenic people allow me put this source code public. 2012-10-15 13:02 btw, while we discuss Windows support, i'm in a process in removing Windows from my new laptop :) 2012-10-15 13:06 erikkugel has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 13:26 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 13:28 kyak, that fix the root cause of 'RNDIS issue'. :D 2012-10-15 13:34 --) 2012-10-15 14:03 air freight is like air mail in terms of costs? 2012-10-15 14:05 [commit] Xiangfu: nanonote-files: mtd.nn: improvement on mount (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/f7f72e3 2012-10-15 14:17 Hoolxi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-10-15 14:38 valhalla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-10-15 14:39 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 14:57 aisa has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 15:04 xiangfu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2012-10-15 15:13 heberth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 15:44 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 15:45 freight is typically for large things and tends to be slower 2012-10-15 15:46 so you can't really compare prices 2012-10-15 15:46 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 15:47 you basically have 1) documents (fast, cheapest), 2) parcels (may be a little slower than documents due to customs, but not much, often a bit more expensive than documents), 3) cargo (generally with more complicated customs procedures) 2012-10-15 15:48 in other words: what you pick depends mainly on what you're sending 2012-10-15 16:35 heberth has quit [Quit: leaving] 2012-10-15 16:53 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-10-15 17:36 larger.. 2012-10-15 17:36 damn 2012-10-15 17:39 40usd from uk 2012-10-15 17:39 wow and 100usd from digikey/usa 2012-10-15 17:39 let me check currency again :) 2012-10-15 17:40 it seems 2012-10-15 17:51 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 17:53 what 2012-10-15 17:53 I'm used to FedEx and EMS deliveries 2012-10-15 17:53 but it is the first time some drunk guy is delivered to my door 2012-10-15 17:56 ? 2012-10-15 17:56 exactly 2012-10-15 17:58 FedEx how much? 2012-10-15 17:58 that 100usd is fedex 2012-10-15 18:07 kristianpaul: yeah, it's the same for russia 2012-10-15 18:07 use farnell 2012-10-15 18:07 it's way better 2012-10-15 18:07 i was qouting from rs 2012-10-15 18:07 i'll check farnell 2012-10-15 18:07 rs? 2012-10-15 18:07 rs-online 2012-10-15 18:14 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 18:30 [2012-10-15 19:28:52] DocScrutinizer05, there have been a few channels where I created files with the name of the log directory. This effectively stops the cron job from exporting html logs for those channels. 2012-10-15 18:30 [2012-10-15 19:30:26] I prefer not to have the bot in channels if they don't want them logged. if people are posting on public irc networks and expecting their data to be private in any way, they are in for sore disappointment. _anyone_ could be logging and reposting anything, anywhere. 2012-10-15 18:30 [2012-10-15 19:31:28] if you don't want your IP shown, then get a cloak. that's what they are for. but remember that sometimes services are down, so even a cloak does not insure that your ip is private. 2012-10-15 18:30 [2012-10-15 19:32:19] if you don't want your ip shown, don't use irc, or send email, or hit web sites, or use instant messaging, in short, get off the Internet. 2012-10-15 18:30 so, on ""public demand"" 2012-10-15 18:31 ~leave #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 18:31 ~quit #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 18:31 grrr 2012-10-15 18:31 ~part #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 18:31 Leaving. (courtesy of docscrutinizer05). 2012-10-15 18:31 infobot has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2012-10-15 18:31 are you bored? 2012-10-15 18:32 here you are 2012-10-15 18:32 kyak been bored 2012-10-15 18:35 but to be honest, this concern about IPs exposed actually bores me 2012-10-15 18:36 simple solution: use static ips ;) 2012-10-15 18:36 ??? 2012-10-15 18:37 well.. no additional information exposure. same shellhost all the time 2012-10-15 18:37 you mean then it's pretty clear everybody can link your IP to you? 2012-10-15 18:37 and that one has my name on anyhow... 2012-10-15 18:37 yeah 2012-10-15 18:38 it's indeed an embarrasingly silly concern 2012-10-15 18:40 but hey, I'm not very active in this chan anyway, and so when I miss infobot around, who except me will care and take consequences 2012-10-15 18:41 !chaninfo 2012-10-15 18:41 thought as much 2012-10-15 18:42 !stats 2012-10-15 18:42 kristianpaul: 93345 words, 513024 letters, 12653 lines, 7.38 words/line, 297 actions, 3067 smilies, 1993 questions, 328 joins, 0 kicks, 0 modes, 0 nicks, 0 topics, time wasted: 1 year 31 weeks 2 days 5 hours 38 minutes , 66.49 idle-factor. 2012-10-15 18:42 ergh 2012-10-15 18:42 indeed 2012-10-15 18:43 and incorrect as well 2012-10-15 18:43 or this silly bot only counts kicks it did itself? 2012-10-15 18:44 xdpirate has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 18:56 nikescar has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-15 18:58 DocScrutinizer05: well, I thought it was nice to have it. 2012-10-15 18:59 well, talk to whomever is th eowner of this chan 2012-10-15 19:00 [2012-10-15 19:30:26] I prefer not to have the bot in channels if they don't want them logged. if people are posting on public irc networks and expecting their data to be private in any way, they are in for sore disappointment. _anyone_ could be logging and reposting anything, anywhere. 2012-10-15 19:01 yup. I totally agree 2012-10-15 19:03 lekernel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-15 19:03 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 19:03 well anyone could come up to you and shoot you, still I dont do it 2012-10-15 19:03 a pretty odd analogy 2012-10-15 19:05 larsc: well, I actually think about it each other way I go out 2012-10-15 19:05 *other day 2012-10-15 19:05 I answer: you're kernel hacker, give us a TCP stack that automatically hides IP 2012-10-15 19:06 technical solutions for social problems are often suboptimal 2012-10-15 19:06 so how's filttering IP in chanlog _not_ a technical solution 2012-10-15 19:06 for the social problem of fools thinking they could live anonymous in internet 2012-10-15 19:07 you are confusing cause and action 2012-10-15 19:07 DocScrutinizer05: there _is_ a technical solution 2012-10-15 19:07 namely an ircd which does not expose IPs 2012-10-15 19:07 ooh, yep, you're right - filtering chanlogs is the problem, not the solution 2012-10-15 19:07 if you trust the server, it is a solution. 2012-10-15 19:10 I think the root problem is people "trusting" 51 (or N - 2) chanusers, but get scared as soon as chanlog shows up on a webpage 2012-10-15 19:10 make that 53 or N, since they probably trust themselves and chanserv as well 2012-10-15 19:11 MEH 2012-10-15 19:11 cya 2012-10-15 19:11 ping me if you change your (or chanowner's) mind about this silly issue 2012-10-15 19:11 I'm willing to join infobot any time 2012-10-15 19:12 I'm _not_ willing to pester Tim about nonsense 2012-10-15 19:12 like filtering chanlogs, to hide "private" info 2012-10-15 19:12 let me try a different analogy, he is basically saying it's ok to steal your stuff because you did not lock your door. 2012-10-15 19:13 you're completely derailed 2012-10-15 19:13 while it is 'stupid' not to lock the door, you still can't justify stealing stuff from somebody with the argument that anybody could have done this 2012-10-15 19:13 OMFG 2012-10-15 19:14 pretty please reread Tim's statement, esp in context I posted earlier, before you continue that fuzz 2012-10-15 19:15 larsc: oh, but if you get all your valuable stuff and just place it on the street 2012-10-15 19:15 it's pretty much justified. 2012-10-15 19:15 no 2012-10-15 19:15 and then claim it's illegal to take a photo since it's *your* stuff 2012-10-15 19:15 MEH!!!!! 2012-10-15 19:15 if you do not take _any sensible countermeasures_ to prevent anyone stealing your stuff, you deserve it 2012-10-15 19:15 no 2012-10-15 19:16 THIs IS NOT ABOUT ANYBODY TAKING AWAY ANYTHING! 2012-10-15 19:16 stupidity is to a justification to exploit people 2012-10-15 19:16 is not 2012-10-15 19:16 or, let me phrase it other way: if you don't give a f about your privacy, why should I? 2012-10-15 19:16 this is about chan logging 2012-10-15 19:17 this is about private information 2012-10-15 19:17 it is public. 2012-10-15 19:17 'private' 2012-10-15 19:17 everyone already can access it. 2012-10-15 19:17 stupidity is a justification to mute or kick people, but since i'm not in a mood to do so, I better leave you peeps alone 2012-10-15 19:17 well I won't call a man with a different point of view stupid, to say at least 2012-10-15 19:18 even if I consider his POV stupid. 2012-10-15 19:18 that's just unproductive 2012-10-15 19:18 "hey, I'm writing my password on that house wall so I don't forget it - but you're rogue to take a photo of it!" BWAHAHAHA 2012-10-15 19:19 exactly 2012-10-15 19:20 the security is not in the machine 2012-10-15 19:20 it's in minds 2012-10-15 19:20 and if you do not care about it, you don't have any security or privacy. trivial. 2012-10-15 19:20 don't like facebook collecting info? don't join facebook. simple. no regulation whatsoever could change its behavior. 2012-10-15 19:21 same here. 2012-10-15 19:21 you might _want_ it to be some other way, but your wishes won't change the world or whatever 2012-10-15 19:22 whitequark: larsc called Tim a criminal, since Tim dared to prefer not having his bot in channels, rather than to implement silly chanlog filtering for those silly stupid channels 2012-10-15 19:22 DocScrutinizer05: I did not 2012-10-15 19:22 DocScrutinizer05: he did not 2012-10-15 19:22 indeed 2012-10-15 19:23 I said that I don't agree with his reasoning that something should be done because anybody else could also do it 2012-10-15 19:23 yeah, exactly 2012-10-15 19:23 just that he not even said that 2012-10-15 19:24 larsc: besides that, by joining freenode you agree for your IP to be shown to strangers. there is no countermeasure at all which could prevent showing your IP to strangers after you've agreed & effectively published it. 2012-10-15 19:25 both technical and social 2012-10-15 19:25 that's so incredibly silly my head starts to hurt 2012-10-15 19:26 whitequark: that's correct, still there is a moral imperative for the induvidual not do so 2012-10-15 19:26 not to do WHAT?? 2012-10-15 19:26 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 19:26 save your private data 2012-10-15 19:27 to publish announced chanlogs, with agreement of chanowner? 2012-10-15 19:27 bullshit! 2012-10-15 19:28 you suggest I should delete my chanlog because you post your password here? 2012-10-15 19:28 dude! 2012-10-15 19:28 larsc: moral views are subjective. that's why they are not laws. 2012-10-15 19:28 in fact, I do not consider your IP to be private data because it's not, well, private. 2012-10-15 19:29 and when you walk down the street naked, you will sue me for sexual harrassment when I look? 2012-10-15 19:29 exactly because I have received it from a public source in the first place 2012-10-15 19:29 DocScrutinizer05: lol exactly 2012-10-15 19:29 DocScrutinizer05: since you don't know in advance that I will share my password with you, you should not have to delete you backlog 2012-10-15 19:29 if you tell something private to a group of people (irc channel) then it wouldt be nice if they don't tell it to strangers (not into the discussion just saying) 2012-10-15 19:29 urandom__: yeah, and if this channel was private that would be true 2012-10-15 19:29 DocScrutinizer05: no I'll take a photo and post in on twitter ;) 2012-10-15 19:30 urandom__: but you're sharing something with an _unbounded_ group of people 2012-10-15 19:30 because anyone can join at any time 2012-10-15 19:30 this is a PUBLIC channel though 2012-10-15 19:30 urandom__: it's silly to expect the propagation of information through an unbounded group of people to be bounded. 2012-10-15 19:32 and I'd even call it rogue to filter logs, form a very basic POV 2012-10-15 19:32 nah it is semi-public, the people here are not that random, though i agree that you cant expect but it would be nice of them 2012-10-15 19:32 urandom__: you are random 2012-10-15 19:32 and I'm absolutely shure you don't know me 2012-10-15 19:33 I'm pretty sure about that :) and jokes aside, I hear from you here first time ever. therefore you are indeed random for me for all intents and purposes 2012-10-15 19:33 but you had all chances to know infobot and his chanlog 2012-10-15 19:34 and it's even in /topic that this chan is logged, it DOES NOT mention the logs are filtered to keep the log "private" 2012-10-15 19:34 reading the last 20 posts, I can't tell who favors what 2012-10-15 19:35 viric: me and DocScrutinizer05 think that IPs are not private, kyak and larsc think they are. not sure about urandom__ . 2012-10-15 19:35 I favour to leave this "discussion" alone, until some of you have thoroughly rethought their POV and expectations 2012-10-15 19:35 I favor the categorical imperative 2012-10-15 19:35 larsc: what? 2012-10-15 19:36 THOUGH SHALT NOT FAKE LOGS <- categoric imperative 2012-10-15 19:36 whitequark: kant 2012-10-15 19:36 -GH 2012-10-15 19:36 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-10-15 19:36 well i don't get why someone would need to log IPs for any good reason 2012-10-15 19:37 I don't get why anybody would want them FILTERED for any good reason 2012-10-15 19:37 larsc: I don't understand _why_ did you say that, not _what_ have you said 2012-10-15 19:37 look on your screen and you see them logged 2012-10-15 19:37 urandom__: I don't collect them in first place because they just look ugly. Otherwise, I don't see a reason to not collect them. I first had them included for the sake of completeness. 2012-10-15 19:37 whitequark: I thought that's what the whole discussion was about 2012-10-15 19:38 larsc: correct me if I'm wrong, but it was about logs and IPs and not philosophy. 2012-10-15 19:38 they have no use, some people are offended that they are locked, so solution just don't log them, really not a big thing, i think there are more intresting topics 2012-10-15 19:39 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 19:39 urandom__: I would not go and fix my codebase because of a bogus concern which should not have arisen in first place 2012-10-15 19:39 yeah, like some are offended by your posts, so better not show them. Problem solved 2012-10-15 19:39 in fact, as I've already said, I am considering building a bot specifically for collecting and publishing IPs. 2012-10-15 19:40 hm I'm more with whitequark, in the sense that if someone logged them and published them... well, it's a public channel. I don't think the published did anything wrong. If some people are upset about that, then it can be negotiated with two happy outputs: filter, or not publish anything at all, for the sake of keeping good relationships. 2012-10-15 19:40 well not loging IPs should be a 10 minute fix if you are slow 2012-10-15 19:40 (for next publications) 2012-10-15 19:40 whitequark: for me it was 2012-10-15 19:40 urandom__: laziness plays a big role too 2012-10-15 19:41 urandom__: DocScrutinizer05 does not control the infobot codebase, for example 2012-10-15 19:41 I understand that someone could prefer not to publish anything instead of filtering :) 2012-10-15 19:41 urandom__: i'm not going to pester devels that for SURE have better things to do 2012-10-15 19:41 larsc: ah ok, I see your point. 2012-10-15 19:41 [2012-10-15 19:28:52] DocScrutinizer05, there have been a few channels where I created files with the name of the log directory. This effectively stops the cron job from exporting html logs for those channels. 2012-10-15 19:41 [2012-10-15 19:30:26] I prefer not to have the bot in channels if they don't want them logged. if people are posting on public irc networks and expecting their data to be private in any way, they are in for sore disappointment. _anyone_ could be logging and reposting anything, anywhere. 2012-10-15 19:41 [2012-10-15 19:31:28] if you don't want your IP shown, then get a cloak. that's what they are for. but remember that sometimes services are down, so even a cloak does not insure that your ip is private. 2012-10-15 19:41 [2012-10-15 19:32:19] if you don't want your ip shown, don't use irc, or send email, or hit web sites, or use instant messaging, in short, get off the Internet. 2012-10-15 19:43 ah i see, well ok, so just make a note "warning your IPs are logged if you have concerns fuck off" or something 2012-10-15 19:44 that's the genuine meaning of /topic >>logging at http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs<< 2012-10-15 19:44 urandom__: EVERYONE on the internet logs IPs 2012-10-15 19:44 from google analytics to $websitename 2012-10-15 19:44 even pastebin does ;-P 2012-10-15 19:45 and nicely exposes them 2012-10-15 19:45 now cya for good 2012-10-15 19:45 in fact you can get millions of IPs together with sensitive data with a clever inurl: query 2012-10-15 19:45 due to known public analytics scripts 2012-10-15 19:46 (you might not have this ability right now because IIRC google has blocked this attack vector. you still can crawl the entire web manually for the same result. it's trivial.) 2012-10-15 19:47 ps: in fact since I have "hide join/nick/quit msgs" on set my IRC client, I'm fscked as chanop when fighting spambots and no chanlog gives me IP of the bot 2012-10-15 19:49 so WHY THE F**K filter/fake chanlogs, just because somebody thinks it's evil to show all that's already been shown? 2012-10-15 19:50 (except for aesthetic resons) 2012-10-15 19:50 I mean, there's probably a *reason* when freenode themselves decide to display IP in join-msgs 2012-10-15 19:52 And I'm still not seeing a sound scenario for exploiting last week's IPs whatsoever 2012-10-15 19:52 probably last week's newspaper is more 'private' and 'dangerous' than your last week's IP 2012-10-15 20:01 pcercuei has quit [Quit: Bye] 2012-10-15 20:12 kristoffer has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2012-10-15 20:49 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 20:50 guanucoluis1 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 20:52 guanucoluis1 has quit [Client Quit] 2012-10-15 20:55 erikkugel has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2012-10-15 21:05 porchao has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-15 21:05 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 21:06 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2012-10-15 21:25 Jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 21:46 urandom__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2012-10-15 21:52 aisa has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2012-10-15 22:04 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-10-15 22:08 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 22:09 GNUtoo-desktop has quit [Quit: [INFO] fsogsmd : received signal -11, exiting.] 2012-10-15 22:15 aisa has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 22:28 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 22:29 aisa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2012-10-15 22:41 aisa has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 23:05 aisa has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-10-15 23:06 aisa_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 23:06 xdpirate has quit [Quit: http://gamelauncher.pvpsucks.com/] 2012-10-15 23:10 pcercuei has quit [Quit: Bye] 2012-10-15 23:11 rejon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-10-15 23:16 aisa_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-15 23:17 aisa has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-15 23:28 aisa has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2012-10-15 23:57 woakas has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.3.8]