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2012-10-14 01:57 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: the fact that actually it's freenode to actively disclose the IP is a very good point
2012-10-14 01:59 <DocScrutinizer05> while otoh freenode steps outa their way quite a bit to allow onion
2012-10-14 02:00 <DocScrutinizer05> aka tor
2012-10-14 02:00 <DocScrutinizer05> any anybody concerned a tiny bit about their IP may get a cloak in just about 30 min in #dreenode, just for asking politely
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2012-10-14 02:01 <DocScrutinizer05> #freenode actually
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2012-10-14 02:02 <DocScrutinizer05> for all I know nobody could tell about my IP, from IRC (or IRC logs for that matter), nor he could for anybody else with a cloak and the basic knowledge how to login&join
2012-10-14 02:04 <DocScrutinizer05> but hey, when the gurus decided that way, who are we to prove them wrong? ;-P
2012-10-14 02:07 <DocScrutinizer05> just wpwrak's argument about discovering links between fast changing nicks is a bit too far
2012-10-14 02:09 <DocScrutinizer05> if somebody's thinking he can obfuscate his identity (for whatever purpose!) by changing nicknames frequently, then he either knows how to hide his IP as well, or he gets a new IP aka DHCP lease for every new nickname, or he's actually one of those trolls that better are *not* protected by us
2012-10-14 02:10 <DocScrutinizer05> those who really wanna hide their IP are using tor anyway
2012-10-14 02:11 <DocScrutinizer05> (even FBI and CIA does ;-P Generally recommended security measure - BWAHAHAHA)
2012-10-14 02:12 <DocScrutinizer05> they must me pretty concerned somebody in the company could find out where from they're polling their mail accounts
2012-10-14 02:16 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: btw you're aware 80% of the internet are using a thing called dynamically allocated temporary IP, aka DHCP
2012-10-14 02:17 <DocScrutinizer05> which in turn means odds are you're assuming relations between actions of completely unrelated individuals, by just joining their google results int one profile, based on the fact they got the same IP assigned by their provider?
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2012-10-14 02:21 <DocScrutinizer05> here in Germany several cases are known where GEMA demanded C&D letters to be signed and fines paid doe mp3-filesharing, when in fact the granny they pestered just been lucky enough to use same IP as some shareazaa-kiddie, just a day later or earlier, and the carrier messed up his protocols who held which DHCP lease when and thus gave false info to GEMA
2012-10-14 02:22 <DocScrutinizer05> s/doe/for/
2012-10-14 02:22 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: "here in Germany several cases are known where GEMA demanded C&D letters to be signed and fines paid for mp3-filesharing, when in fact the granny they pestered just been lucky enough to use same IP as some shareazaa-kiddie, just a day later or earlier, and the carrier messed up his protocols who held which DHCP lease when and thus gave false info to GEMA"
2012-10-14 02:24 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly, googling for IP addresses seems a very poor concept, leading nowhere really
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2012-10-14 02:26 <DocScrutinizer05> and no matter how much I muse about it, I can't find a single other usecase than just this imaginary incredibly stupid braindamaged troll-kiddie that thinks he could hide his identity by frequent nick change
2012-10-14 02:27 <DocScrutinizer05> but yeah, filtering IP addr out of chanlogs for sure is the solution, even if we don't have a problem for the solution yet
2012-10-14 02:28 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: i didn't say fast changing nicks. i mean site/occasion-specific identities. e.g., if you're with your real name on linkedin, foobar123 at a goat porn forum, and with the same IP plus the real name on IRC, you may not like it if the dots are easy to connect
2012-10-14 02:28 <wpwrak> and yes, i'm aware of dhcp ;-) some ISPs give you new addresses every few hours while others let you keep an address for months if not years
2012-10-14 02:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, I didn't know goat porn sites and linkedin do also publish IP
2012-10-14 02:29 <wpwrak> e.g., mine hasn't changed since march
2012-10-14 02:29 <DocScrutinizer05> sure it helps to keep linkedin and goat porn safe when we filter IPs out of IRC chanlogs
2012-10-14 02:30 <wpwrak> linkedin is where your real name is used. dunno if there are IPs, too. probably not. the goat lovers on the other hand, ...
2012-10-14 02:31 <wpwrak> i think the safety of the goat porn lovers makes a refreshing variation on the old "it's for the children !!!" :)
2012-10-14 02:34 <DocScrutinizer05> aiui google hits are not even timestaped accurately enough to construct *any* relation for user identified via IP
2012-10-14 02:35 <DocScrutinizer05> sure the timestamps on chanlogs help a lot, but still, where are the timestamps of the linkedin logs, hell where are the logs themselves?
2012-10-14 02:36 <wpwrak> you may be able to collect additional evidence by other means
2012-10-14 02:36 <DocScrutinizer05> and, God forbid, users might use GPRS to watch goatse and to IRC, and then you're one of 10,000 behind a huge NAT, usually
2012-10-14 02:37 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, really
2012-10-14 02:37 <wpwrak> also, perhaps someone who stubles across your goat porn discussions may hate goat porn so fanatically that they prefer to err on the safe side under all circumstances
2012-10-14 02:37 <wpwrak> obviously, somewhere there's that fine line between reasonable precautions and paranoia ... :)
2012-10-14 02:39 <DocScrutinizer05> well, there's just two things to suspect: kyak is a notorious infobot hater, and he managed to kick infobot out of chan
2012-10-14 02:39 <wpwrak> kyak vs. infobot: 1:0 ;-)
2012-10-14 02:40 <DocScrutinizer05> [2012-10-13 15:54:12] <kyak> DocScrutinizer05: thanks
2012-10-14 02:40 <DocScrutinizer05> [2012-10-13 15:54:19] <DocScrutinizer05> np
2012-10-14 02:40 <DocScrutinizer05> [2012-10-13 15:55:33] [Notice] -ChanServ an #qi-hardware- kyak set flags -Vbv on apt.
2012-10-14 02:40 <DocScrutinizer05> [2012-10-13 15:56:09] [Notice] -ChanServ an #qi-hardware- kyak set flags +Vv on apt.
2012-10-14 02:41 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc how he managed to make infobot vanish, but evidently bot is gone, and I really hope kyak is happy now
2012-10-14 02:42 <DocScrutinizer05> pretty good example how you shouldn't moderate a channel
2012-10-14 02:42 <wpwrak> kyak the great magician ! :-)
2012-10-14 02:42 <DocScrutinizer05> bwahaha
2012-10-14 02:43 <wpwrak> the eternal struggle between good and evil is looking good today :)
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2012-10-14 02:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen kyak
2012-10-14 02:47 <infobot> kyak is currently on #qi-hardware. Has said a total of 9 messages. Is idling for 13h 9m 36s, last said: 'ok, then i don't know what is the reason for this bot to be here'.
2012-10-14 02:48 <DocScrutinizer05> +b a bot that's set on autojoin, what a poor idea
2012-10-14 02:48 <DocScrutinizer05> of course she refused to rejoin, after she noticed the +b resp the fact she couldn't join anymore
2012-10-14 02:51 <DocScrutinizer05> /whois dandon
2012-10-14 02:51 <DocScrutinizer05> http://i40.tinypic.com/10saeq9.jpg
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2012-10-14 03:04 <qi-bot> [commit] Xiangfu: qi_lb60: unset SENSORS_JZ4740 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-xburst/b15f278
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2012-10-14 05:01 <kyak> DocScrutinizer05: i unset +b yesterday already, it should be able to join
2012-10-14 05:01 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I did that
2012-10-14 05:02 <kyak> nope, you just removed the channal ban
2012-10-14 05:03 <kyak> so i guess the only reason why it doesn't join is because it took offense :)
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2012-10-14 05:23 <kyak> !seen xiangfu
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2012-10-14 06:30 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: mpg123: fix missing deps (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/1d20277
2012-10-14 06:30 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: gmu: update to 0.8.0 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/0009b7c
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2012-10-14 07:54 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: add 6x10 font for setfont (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/a8915f7
2012-10-14 07:56 <kyak> mth: do you mind if i commit your source files (font_6x10.png, font2png.py, png2font.py), so they won't get lost and everybody understands where kernel-6x10-font psf font is coming from?
2012-10-14 08:08 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: update startup script for nanonote (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/c302218
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2012-10-14 08:41 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Update ash gmenu2x icon to use 6x10 font (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/2845ec7
2012-10-14 08:41 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: gmenu2x: update to latest version (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/openwrt-packages/7c7db42
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2012-10-14 11:01 <mth> kyak: yes, you can commit them
2012-10-14 11:19 <wolfspraul> kyak: xiangfu's notebook fan totally broke down today so he has a little downtime until tomorrow :-)
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2012-10-14 11:22 <gargon> hi, my nanonote show always 2 hours more then it should after reboot. How to change this?
2012-10-14 11:23 <gargon> I set yet the timezone in /etc/config/system
2012-10-14 11:25 <mth> sounds like the hardware clock (RTC) is running in local time instead of UTC
2012-10-14 11:27 <mth> you could try setting the system clock correctly and then running "hwclock -u --systohc"
2012-10-14 11:30 <gargon> thanks, it seems it works fine now
2012-10-14 11:30 <gargon> mth: thanks
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2012-10-14 11:40 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Add kernel 6x10 font (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/setfont2/1284c1e
2012-10-14 11:41 <kyak> mth: thanks, i added those to setfont2 repo with a small README
2012-10-14 11:41 <kyak> wolfspraul: this is what happens when you start compiling on your laptop :)
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2012-10-14 11:53 <qi-bot> [commit] kyak: Add source png file for kernel 6x10 font (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/setfont2/37afb1a
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