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"schlimm" also means "bad". 2012-10-04 01:36 http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/verschlimmbessern 2012-10-04 01:40 urandom__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 2012-10-04 01:53 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-04 02:01 nikescar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-10-04 02:02 nikescar has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 02:05 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 02:18 kyak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-10-04 02:21 kyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 02:21 kyak has quit [Changing host] 2012-10-04 02:21 kyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 02:26 kyak has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-10-04 02:35 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-10-04 02:39 guanucoluis1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-10-04 02:40 kyak has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 02:43 emeb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2012-10-04 02:55 pabs3 has quit [Quit: Don't rest until all the world is paved in moss and greenery.] 2012-10-04 02:57 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 03:03 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-10-04 03:03 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 04:08 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 04:13 heberth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 04:58 heberth has quit [Quit: leaving] 2012-10-04 05:00 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 05:28 whitequark has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-10-04 05:28 bartbes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-10-04 05:28 bartbes has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 05:29 whitequark has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 05:35 Ayla has quit [Quit: dodo] 2012-10-04 05:58 rejon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-10-04 06:18 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 06:39 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 06:42 whitequark: it wasn't a question of reviewing the patch. It was pure bureaucracy 2012-10-04 06:47 rz2k has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-04 07:18 kilae has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 2012-10-04 07:19 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 08:09 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-10-04 08:22 GNUtoo-desktop has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 08:32 Jurting has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-10-04 08:37 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2012-10-04 09:19 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-04 09:32 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 09:34 ah, awesome 2012-10-04 09:35 now open hotspots in russia are 18+, password-protected and password is issued only after providing an ID 2012-10-04 09:42 and you get a unique password? 2012-10-04 09:45 and no-one is allowed to share their password? 2012-10-04 09:47 i wouldn't be surprised if they'd write down to whom they handed which password 2012-10-04 10:08 larsc: obviously. that's the whole point I suppose 2012-10-04 10:09 (unique, shareable) this is only a law yet. I'll wait and see how is it implemented. 2012-10-04 10:09 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 10:11 http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Flenta.ru%2Fnews%2F2012%2F10%2F04%2Fwifi%2F 2012-10-04 10:19 he2 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 10:43 the whole internet became "+18 only"? 2012-10-04 10:47 only public wifi, if understood it correctly 2012-10-04 10:53 larsc: yes 2012-10-04 10:53 censoring under the guise of protecting the minors 2012-10-04 10:53 like if they give a fuck about children at all 2012-10-04 10:54 they already reserved the right to IP-block any website without due process, etc. 2012-10-04 10:55 and demonstrated that they can indeed apply it 2012-10-04 10:55 hello china 2012-10-04 10:57 the EU actually tried and I think still tries do something similar 2012-10-04 10:57 http://www.cleanitproject.eu/ 2012-10-04 10:59 seen that. wasn't this project met with harsh critics and so? from what I see from here, it doesn't really matter if someone in your country tries to push oppressive laws, it matters if you can take some action and reject them 2012-10-04 10:59 i.e. what happened with ACTA 2012-10-04 11:00 well, maybe I'm being naive after all. I don't know. 2012-10-04 11:03 whitequark: hehe, you found that too :) 2012-10-04 11:04 my idea is to disconnect that bureaucrats from internet 2012-10-04 11:04 or make some kind of simulated internet only and specal for government 2012-10-04 11:05 and let them play there 2012-10-04 11:05 Jay7: the matrix, you mean? 2012-10-04 11:06 yes, for government :) 2012-10-04 11:06 they live on own reality now, so I see no problem :) 2012-10-04 11:06 on the serious side of it, have you heard about the prison experiment? 2012-10-04 11:06 yeah 2012-10-04 11:07 I guess that the new government will appear, roughly on par with the previously existing 2012-10-04 11:07 less experienced, maybe, but people tend to gather that kind of experience quickly. 2012-10-04 11:07 it's iterative process :) 2012-10-04 11:08 I'm voting for H-bombs then. quick and painless after all. not that bad. 2012-10-04 11:08 EMI :) 2012-10-04 11:09 no no, not in this sense 2012-10-04 11:09 get a hundred of 100 mt ones, distribute evenly on the surface, detonate 2012-10-04 11:09 government problem solved 2012-10-04 11:09 you are speaking about 23 Dec, 2012 ;) 2012-10-04 11:10 but no, people will live and should build new world 2012-10-04 11:31 infobot has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2012-10-04 11:41 lets make opensource H-bomb 2012-10-04 12:06 porchao has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-10-04 12:06 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 12:13 whitequark: naw, just build one. and make a congress for new democracy management technology. make some juicy announcements. all the .gov critters will flock there. 2012-10-04 12:31 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 12:32 I swear that Stanislaw Lem has wrote a story about it 2012-10-04 12:37 :) 2012-10-04 13:02 infobot has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 13:10 whitequa1k has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 13:10 bartbes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-10-04 13:10 bartbes has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 13:10 bartbes has quit [Changing host] 2012-10-04 13:10 bartbes has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 13:12 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-04 13:12 whitequark has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-04 13:12 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 13:22 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-04 13:31 whitequa1k: it's the inescapable conclusion once you realize how a mouse trap works 2012-10-04 13:34 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 13:38 whitequa1k: btw, if you're unhappy with your government, here's an idea they could try: 1) put someone who loathes any forces of security, e.g., a former active terrorist, in charge of security and let that person insult and abuse the force under her control for a few years. 2) assign some of the armed forces (coast guard, border troops, etc.) to police duties. 3) lower their wages by some 30-60%. 2012-10-04 13:43 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 13:46 alexander has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 13:47 alexander is now known as Guest74200 2012-10-04 13:51 trying to compile a small app tuneit on my NN. an music instrument tuner. I need the alsa commile stuff (headers?) are these them: http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/ ? 2012-10-04 13:52 Jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 13:53 bartbes_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 13:53 bartbes has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-10-04 13:58 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 14:05 Guest74200, you're trying to compile on nanonote itself? 2012-10-04 14:05 or to cross compile? 2012-10-04 14:06 cross compile is new to me? yea thought I would see how manny days it would take :D. 2012-10-04 14:06 I'm interested in a guitar tuner for the NN 2012-10-04 14:08 tuneit is an generic instrement tuner. there all ready is a guitar tuner in the img. I can give you a link dump of tuner software? 2012-10-04 14:11 wpwrak: I guess someone you know has tried this... 2012-10-04 14:11 whitequa1k is now known as whitequark 2012-10-04 14:18 here is a nice little clock app: http://www.tenox.tc/out/ I assume the binary's are not compatible? 2012-10-04 14:19 oh and another http://soomka.com/ . 2012-10-04 14:26 whitequark: how did you guess ? :) one the first day, the coast guard went on strike. the next day, the gendarmerie (border guard, etc., a police force with military structure) did the same. later that day, part of the army joined the protests. today is the 3rd day ... 2012-10-04 14:28 http://github.com/xorg62/tty-clock 2012-10-04 14:52 wpwrak: impressive. 2012-10-04 14:53 what do you think will come next? 2012-10-04 14:58 antgreen has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 15:07 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-10-04 15:07 xdpirate has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 15:08 xdpirate has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-10-04 15:09 xdpirate has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 15:09 xdpirate has quit [Client Quit] 2012-10-04 15:09 xdpirate has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 15:11 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-10-04 15:22 emeb has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 15:29 whitequark: probably things will return to a more quiet state in a while, although it's hard to tell with a government so inept. 2012-10-04 15:31 GNUtoo-desktop has quit [Quit: [INFO] fsogsmd : received signal -11, exiting.] 2012-10-04 15:38 wpwrak: don't settle on anything less than a revolution! 2012-10-04 15:45 whitequark has quit [Quit: leaving] 2012-10-04 15:45 whitequark has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 15:54 whitequark: well, the next major protest march is planned for the 8th of november. it would be a pity if someone else had already cleaned out the pigsty by then. 2012-10-04 16:17 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-04 16:29 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 16:35 aisa has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 16:45 kristoffer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 16:51 Jurting has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-10-04 17:01 Sucotronic has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 17:02 Sucotronic has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2012-10-04 17:03 Sucotronic has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 17:07 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 17:17 kristoffer has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2012-10-04 17:19 Sucotronic has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-10-04 17:47 paroneayea has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-10-04 18:04 http://www.ted.com/talks/shimon_schocken_the_self_organizing_computer_course.html 2012-10-04 18:05 nice follow up on the discussion rpi discussion 2012-10-04 18:05 xdpirate has quit [Quit: http://gamelauncher.pvpsucks.com/] 2012-10-04 18:07 http://www.nand2tetris.org/ - From NAND to Tetris, Building a Modern Computer From First Principles 2012-10-04 18:09 oh the elements of computer science, awesome book, i learnt a lot through it 2012-10-04 18:23 Ayla has quit [Quit: brb] 2012-10-04 18:24 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 18:43 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 19:01 lekernel has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-10-04 19:02 lekernel has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 19:05 ... the fuck 2012-10-04 19:05 TIL that when someone steals an alpha emitter in a russian public school, they just write it off 2012-10-04 19:05 didn't even try to find; didn't even try to explain that it could be dangerous 2012-10-04 19:06 so now you know where to get one if you should ever need one 2012-10-04 19:06 larsc: I could get an ICBM probably without much problems 2012-10-04 19:07 on the other hand, K2MnO4 for disinfection is a no-no 2012-10-04 19:07 not even in tiny pharmacy bottles 2012-10-04 19:10 heberth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 19:10 well, in a certain sense that decision drives natural selection, in the sense that if you're stupid enough to not listen to lectures and steal unknown stuff you shouldn't really be able to reproduce 2012-10-04 19:10 you could probably steal it from some school as well 2012-10-04 19:11 ICBM or permanganate? 2012-10-04 19:11 the latter, surely 2012-10-04 19:11 well I won't have to steal 2012-10-04 19:11 I just have to ask nicely 2012-10-04 19:11 and explain that no I won't really make a glycerol bomb with it 2012-10-04 19:11 if I actually would want to do that, I won't even have to ask 2012-10-04 19:12 our chemistry teacher happily did the KClO4+S reaction 2012-10-04 19:13 the boom was quite impressive and the handle of the thingy you keep a test tube above the bunsen burner was found on the other side of the room 2012-10-04 19:13 he also tried to explode NI3, but it has failed to get dry enough :( 2012-10-04 19:17 yea, chemistry class was all about builing explosives all the time 2012-10-04 19:18 at least that's the part I remember ;) 2012-10-04 19:18 I happen to remember quite a bit of inorganic chemistry 2012-10-04 19:19 which sometimes leads to a blank stare and "... what" in conversations with my peers about something related 2012-10-04 19:20 one would be amazed how much people actually don't get any underlying science in commodity stuff, if one wouldn't already be tired of utter lack of interest in anything at all. 2012-10-04 19:24 I actually had chemistry as one of my major courses in my final years, which means 5 hours of it per week, it's kind of that that I don't remember that much, especially since it was only 5 years ago 2012-10-04 19:26 mhm 2012-10-04 19:26 final years of high school or college? 2012-10-04 19:27 heberth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-10-04 19:27 heberth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 19:29 high school 2012-10-04 19:30 you got to choose two subjects which you wanted to focus on 2012-10-04 19:33 heberth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2012-10-04 19:33 heberth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 19:34 Jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 19:35 xdpirate has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 19:42 larsc: oh, I was always envious of that part in western education 2012-10-04 19:42 you never have to choose anything here 2012-10-04 19:42 it's either the predefined set of courses or nothing 2012-10-04 19:43 the got rid of it here as well a few years ago 2012-10-04 19:43 tehy 2012-10-04 19:43 they 2012-10-04 19:44 how was it justified? 2012-10-04 19:45 I don't know, but it was related to the pisa-study I think 2012-10-04 19:46 they introduced district wide exams at the same time 2012-10-04 19:48 west edcat has a better rep than it deserves. its rubbish. Home Education is the way to go. did a term of pyro in a sci class I went to that way :D 2012-10-04 19:49 i mean "that way I did a term of pyro" 2012-10-04 19:49 got some vids if you like 2012-10-04 19:51 Ayla has quit [Quit: brb] 2012-10-04 19:55 paroneayea has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 20:00 heberth has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2012-10-04 20:02 heberth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 20:06 you should consider that different people have different types of learning styles and the learning style that suits you best doesn't necessarily work for others as well as it does for you 2012-10-04 20:09 kristoffer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 20:10 Guest74200: a term of what? 2012-10-04 20:11 fireworks,pyrotechnics, things that go bang 2012-10-04 20:11 }D 2012-10-04 20:12 * whitequark has thought of roughly this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhOnX8qt3I 2012-10-04 20:13 heberth_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 20:14 heberth has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2012-10-04 20:15 heberth_ is now known as heberth 2012-10-04 20:16 kristoffer has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 2012-10-04 20:22 lol 2012-10-04 20:25 larsc: I know very well. I am just fed up of all the cheasey praise the west/uk education system gets. 2012-10-04 20:26 no one likes their home country education 2012-10-04 20:26 I have had a total of 4 schools. 2 private 2 state 2012-10-04 20:27 larsc: (explosives) somehow it 2012-10-04 20:27 's reassuring if they do that in chemistry and not in physics 2012-10-04 20:28 :) 2012-10-04 20:30 A use for my NN is a fancy countdown for ignition of my pyrotechnics :D 2012-10-04 20:31 just like what they have in incorrect hollywood 2012-10-04 20:31 holly lol 2012-10-04 20:31 hmm. i made a electric ignition for fireworks two years ago and thought of making it a bit more fancy and connect it to the ben. never did that, though. 2012-10-04 20:32 so it's still just simple tact switches being abused for grilling resistors at a few amps 2012-10-04 20:32 I have the fancy countdown script 2012-10-04 20:38 Been using http://www.jamesyawn.net/38mm/index.html for ignition but not with any extra stuff on them. just put the hot wire end in the black powder. takes 10sec to get to temp 2012-10-04 20:39 How long does grilling the resistors take? 2012-10-04 20:39 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 20:41 will post my countdown script on the mailing list. 2012-10-04 20:41 aisa has quit [Quit: leaving] 2012-10-04 20:41 something like a second. i think i used a pair of 1/4 W through-hole resistors, somewhere around 22 or 33 Ohm, at 24 V 2012-10-04 20:42 BTW my posts on the mailing list have not been getting though. they get added the the moderation que. 2012-10-04 20:42 oh nice and quick... }) 2012-10-04 20:42 you need to subscribe to the list with the address you're posting from 2012-10-04 20:42 I have 2012-10-04 20:43 qi-hardware_maillist at no spam glamor my aross,me 2012-10-04 20:44 then i guess you'll have to ask wolfgang. he'll be able to tell you what the list processor disliked. almost certainly it's an address mismatch. 2012-10-04 20:44 opps its maillist_qi-hardware 2012-10-04 20:45 I get msgs vir that address though. 2012-10-04 20:46 heberth_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 20:46 wolfgang: see above 2012-10-04 20:49 heberth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-10-04 20:51 wpwrak: I once thought about using a nichrome wire and a CR2032 battery 2012-10-04 20:51 aka KMnO4+methanol fuel cell 2012-10-04 20:52 the peak current can easily achieve 10A with these 2012-10-04 20:52 heberth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-10-04 20:52 arr yes nichrome wire. really really fin ant it? 2012-10-04 20:54 Guest74200 is now known as astr 2012-10-04 20:55 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-04 20:56 astr is now known as arossDOTme 2012-10-04 20:57 porchao has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-10-04 20:57 kilae has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]] 2012-10-04 20:59 arossDOTme has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-10-04 21:00 alexander has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 21:00 alexander is now known as Guest28403 2012-10-04 21:00 Guest28403 is now known as arossDOTme 2012-10-04 21:09 heberth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 21:12 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 21:16 antgreen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-10-04 21:27 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 21:51 talking about western cultures 2012-10-04 21:52 here, some people poke fun at the anti-discriminatory laws. "tolerasts", say they, akin to "pederasts" 2012-10-04 21:52 I'm not with them, but I don't see how that is supposed to work either 2012-10-04 21:53 the whole point of hiring is the selection of fittest, right? and if there's a correlation between being, for example, gay, and poor performance, shouldn't you exploit that just as you exploit the correlation between not being able to understand pointers and bad performance? 2012-10-04 21:54 correlation obviously doesn't mean causation, but you don't really need to prove causation here 2012-10-04 21:57 so actually you're a) helping people who are good at their job but are being discriminated against to get their fair share and b) helping people who aren't good at their job but are good at finding lawyers by forcing employers to hire them 2012-10-04 21:58 and I don't see how exactly this helps to _reduce_ discrimination, much less the opposite. 2012-10-04 21:58 your examples aren't great 2012-10-04 21:58 maybe 2012-10-04 21:59 being bad a pointers reveals an underlying deficiency with indirection 2012-10-04 21:59 it is tricky making judgements on future performance on unrelated factors like being gay 2012-10-04 22:00 maybe there is a correlation, but if it is due to persecution of society at large 2012-10-04 22:00 then not hiring them only makes things worse 2012-10-04 22:01 makes sense 2012-10-04 22:01 anyway, discrimination laws say given 2 ppl of equal ability, you should not preference one over the other based on their creed etc 2012-10-04 22:02 my point is, how would you actually verify that you preference one over the other based only on their actual abilites? 2012-10-04 22:02 test them? 2012-10-04 22:02 give them problems? 2012-10-04 22:02 unless you hire based on resume only 2012-10-04 22:02 no no. "you" as in "official controlling the execution of the law, while checking the employer" 2012-10-04 22:03 how this could be sensibly enforced without allowing anyone to exploit the system trivially? 2012-10-04 22:03 if some one is genuinely incompetent, i imagine it would be simply a matter of saying "well we set a test, he failed, so we didn't hire him" 2012-10-04 22:04 there would also be long term trends 2012-10-04 22:04 it is hiarder to prove a single case 2012-10-04 22:04 but if a company consistent hires women with say, C cup or larger 2012-10-04 22:04 the reply could be "you haven't hired anyone of the $minority_name, therefore you're discriminating against them" 2012-10-04 22:04 no, that's now how anti-discrimination laws work 2012-10-04 22:04 that is unworkable 2012-10-04 22:05 that's what I'm asking about. I don't get them 2012-10-04 22:05 i mean, if not one applied, how can you hire them? 2012-10-04 22:05 basically, if you know you didn't get hired because of your creed or gender, or some aspect unrelated to your ability to perofrm tehe job 2012-10-04 22:05 they would be discriminating against you 2012-10-04 22:06 i mean, no one is really saying men are discriminated against in the bra shop assistant job 2012-10-04 22:06 hmm 2012-10-04 22:06 but hey, when was the last time you saw a male bra shop assistant? 2012-10-04 22:06 I don't really go to bra shops, ya know 2012-10-04 22:06 never thought about it :) but I get your point 2012-10-04 22:07 in any succesful economy, they have to be reasonable 2012-10-04 22:07 b/c as you say, they would otherwise be exploited 2012-10-04 22:07 well, one way this could work is like: after someone goes to court, they give you an industry-standard test 2012-10-04 22:07 but I don't really see how could this work for all fields. it would be a whole lot of work 2012-10-04 22:08 let the lawyers sort it out. 2012-10-04 22:08 sorry, but last time I've seen lawyers actually "sort it out" was like never. 2012-10-04 22:08 most likly the defence would say "here are our documented reasons to not ihire X that has nothing do to with his sexual prefeence, and we have employees of his sexual preference already" 2012-10-04 22:09 hm 2012-10-04 22:09 hehe, speaking of discriminations 2012-10-04 22:09 if you're a big enough company the latter statement should already be true, indeed 2012-10-04 22:09 might work 2012-10-04 22:10 i think religious charities are allowed not to hire athiests b/c of that in the states 2012-10-04 22:10 (that being the fct they are atheists) 2012-10-04 22:10 I doubt that anyone complains 2012-10-04 22:10 well, not *seriously* 2012-10-04 22:12 depends on the job... if it as an accountant, i would be pissed 2012-10-04 22:13 I personally would be wary of the 'corporate culture' 2012-10-04 22:14 people all around being surprised at you not doing thing X, etc. 2012-10-04 22:15 nod, i wo't applied for suc a job if i can help it... too much proselytising :P 2012-10-04 22:16 and it's kinda funny that you've mentioned being atheist accountant at a religious charity 2012-10-04 22:16 yeah? 2012-10-04 22:17 because russian church has recently been caught smuggling tobacco through borders due to customs exempts 2012-10-04 22:17 hehe 2012-10-04 22:18 it could kinda be summarized in one picture, http://img.leprosorium.com/1541028 2012-10-04 22:20 hehe, i didn't know it did that 2012-10-04 22:21 also, that is quite symbolic 2012-10-04 22:21 time to sleep, so tired 2012-10-04 22:21 night whitequark! 2012-10-04 22:21 thanks for the chat :) 2012-10-04 22:21 night. 2012-10-04 22:31 arossDOTme has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2012-10-04 22:46 arossDOTme has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 22:59 he2 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-10-04 22:59 heberth has quit [Quit: leaving] 2012-10-04 23:39 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-10-04 23:52 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-10-04 23:57 wpwrak: so what you usually do?, i ran erc on atben and i got like 6 errors count 2012-10-04 23:58 i would guess trust your eyes, but read all messages to be sure is not something else 2012-10-04 23:58 :-)