2012-08-31 00:42 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 00:46 kanzure_ has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 00:50 woakas has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 00:51 larsc_ has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 00:53 urandom__ has quit [*.net *.split]
2012-08-31 00:53 kanzure has quit [*.net *.split]
2012-08-31 00:53 Ayla has quit [*.net *.split]
2012-08-31 00:53 larsc has quit [*.net *.split]
2012-08-31 00:53 LunaVorax has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
2012-08-31 00:57 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 00:59 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 01:29 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 01:38 kanzure_ is now known as kanzure
2012-08-31 01:46 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 01:52 Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2012-08-31 02:07 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 02:15 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 02:16 Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2012-08-31 02:28 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 02:35 Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2012-08-31 03:09 emeb has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
2012-08-31 03:35 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2012-08-31 03:36 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
2012-08-31 04:09 Ayla has quit [Quit: dodo]
2012-08-31 04:21 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 05:10 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
2012-08-31 05:11 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 06:04 jluis|work has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
2012-08-31 06:14 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 06:16 jluis|work has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 06:22 Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2012-08-31 06:46 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 06:57 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
2012-08-31 06:59 LunaVorax has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2012-08-31 07:15 Fallenou has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
2012-08-31 07:31 Fallenou has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 07:43 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2012-08-31 07:44 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 08:09 kilae has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 08:21 larsc_ is now known as larsc
2012-08-31 08:39 kristoffer has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 08:43 kuribas has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 08:47 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 09:03 Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2012-08-31 09:14 kyak has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 09:14 kyak has quit [Changing host]
2012-08-31 09:14 kyak has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 09:17 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 10:03 kyak has quit []
2012-08-31 10:06 kyak has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 10:06 kyak has quit [Changing host]
2012-08-31 10:06 kyak has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 10:23 Hoolxi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
2012-08-31 10:24 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 10:30 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
2012-08-31 10:34 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 11:13 xiangfu has quit [Quit: Leaving]
2012-08-31 11:26 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 11:27 paul_boddie has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 11:27 <paul_boddie> Hello! Anyone here with kernel booting knowledge on the NanoNote?
2012-08-31 11:30 kristoffer has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
2012-08-31 11:32 urandom__ has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 11:36 Fallenou has quit [*.net *.split]
2012-08-31 11:38 <wolfspraul> the kernel on my nano boots, but other than that I'm not sure how much knowledge I have
2012-08-31 11:39 <paul_boddie> Tried to get Emdebian to boot from the SD, and I think I've got it to init, but I wouldn't mind confirming some details.
2012-08-31 11:39 <wolfspraul> maybe just write, the people with more inside knowledge are either in this channel or nowhere :-)
2012-08-31 11:39 <wpwrak> wolfspraul: anything to add regarding shipping to .cn ?
2012-08-31 11:39 <paul_boddie> Emdebian seems pretty viable, by the way, once the dust has been blown off the documentation.
2012-08-31 11:40 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: not really, we small guys are always on the loosing end, it seems :-)
2012-08-31 11:40 <wolfspraul> so fedex argentina only handles business packages to china?
2012-08-31 11:40 <wolfspraul> I have never heard of the requirement for the importer ID on my end
2012-08-31 11:40 <wpwrak> the way i understand it, it's an issue on the chinese side
2012-08-31 11:40 <wolfspraul> yes, that system exists, but only for corporate packages
2012-08-31 11:41 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: you don't think chinese have a private life and some private packages?
2012-08-31 11:41 <wolfspraul> not sure how many millions of packages with god knows what amazon ships to china every year... :-)
2012-08-31 11:41 <paul_boddie> Well, I used a U-Boot from 2011 because the newer ones aren't supposed to work. And I found the boot command line (kernel parameters) that show that the device and location of the image. And after getting past the "cannot find kernel image", the issue seemed to be where the init program was.
2012-08-31 11:41 <wolfspraul> *if* fedex declares this as a professional/business shipment, then sure the recipient needs the company id and paperwork
2012-08-31 11:42 <wpwrak> of course they do. but that doesn't mean that customs has to acknowledge that :)
2012-08-31 11:42 <wolfspraul> but if it's a package to a private recipient in china, there should be no issue
2012-08-31 11:42 <wolfspraul> but I know in some countries fedex only accepts 'business' packages to some destinations
2012-08-31 11:42 <wolfspraul> seems to be the case between argentina and china...
2012-08-31 11:42 <wpwrak> hmm
2012-08-31 11:43 <wolfspraul> nobody I know here has such a company/importer ID
2012-08-31 11:43 <wolfspraul> fedex says they don't take private packages to china?
2012-08-31 11:43 <wolfspraul> or they say private packages to china don't exist?
2012-08-31 11:43 <wpwrak> there's something similar in argentina. you need it if your shipment exceeds the limits of the "simplified regime"
2012-08-31 11:43 <wolfspraul> anyway arguing will not help you...
2012-08-31 11:44 <paul_boddie> I think I fixed that by adding a symbolic link from /etc/preinit to /sbin/init (mentioned on the Debian debootstrap page) since the latter isn't specified on the kernel command line, although it's probably in the kernel's init/main.c, so I wondered what the purpose of that file was.
2012-08-31 11:44 <wolfspraul> whatever 'regime' the little board you are sending would qualify for...
2012-08-31 11:44 <wpwrak> e.g., then the shipment is valued > USD 1000
2012-08-31 11:44 <wolfspraul> paul_boddie: I will definitely ask xiangfu to look into this, but it's friday evening here and maybe it will take a day or so to get hold of him...
2012-08-31 11:44 <wpwrak> well, i don't know what rules they have in china :) i tend to trust fedex to know their customs very well :)
2012-08-31 11:44 <wolfspraul> I never modified or dealt with kernel booting at that level
2012-08-31 11:45 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: yes, agreed. but it's fedex who does not *want* to ship private packages to china
2012-08-31 11:45 <wolfspraul> which is their choice, of course
2012-08-31 11:45 <wpwrak> but i'll give it a try with explicitly stating that it's for personal use. let's see if they take it.
2012-08-31 11:46 <wolfspraul> I can imagine that business shipments only with full chinese paperwork are easier/higher margin than dealing with the private mess - especially in china
2012-08-31 11:46 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: maybe not. I use fedex a lot and as I said sometimes they voluntarily restrict themselves to business packages
2012-08-31 11:46 <wolfspraul> then their entire system/computers/staff etc. are not setup to process 'private' packages on that route, and there is nothing you can do
2012-08-31 11:46 <wpwrak> so you're saying fedex generally doesn't ship to private recipients in china ?
2012-08-31 11:47 <wolfspraul> at least not from argentina, it seems
2012-08-31 11:47 <wpwrak> because the argentina end certainly does
2012-08-31 11:47 <wolfspraul> think about how little that business is anyway
2012-08-31 11:47 <wpwrak> hmm. could be that there are specific restricting for things coming from argentina, true
2012-08-31 11:48 <wolfspraul> but sure it's possible that into china fedex is doing 'business' only from anywhere in the world, I don't know
2012-08-31 11:48 <wpwrak> reciprocal trade sanctions and such
2012-08-31 11:48 <wolfspraul> fedex is different from the other guys in many ways
2012-08-31 11:48 <wolfspraul> they are more expensive, have better service, have their own customs agents, and easily make tough decisions to only focus on profitable business :-)
2012-08-31 11:49 <wolfspraul> in china they are the only onces insiting on their 'foreign' status meaning all fedex delivery cars have the black 'foreigner' license plates
2012-08-31 11:49 <wolfspraul> whereas everybody else is going with the flow and opens chinese/joint-venture subsidiaries etc.
2012-08-31 11:50 <wolfspraul> most likely together with a substantial lowering of standards along the way
2012-08-31 11:50 <wolfspraul> it may be that fedex is only licensed to take business packages into china
2012-08-31 11:50 <wolfspraul> they are a small niche/expensive/high-end player here (in china)
2012-08-31 11:51 <wolfspraul> this is as much as I know about the situation
2012-08-31 11:51 LunaVorax has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 11:51 <wolfspraul> I like fedex but in china the are crazy expensive
2012-08-31 11:51 <paul_boddie> wolfspraul: Thanks! I think I probably just have to read up a bit more about it. Initially, I thought that I didn't have an init program, but you do get one with a Debian bootstrap, and I think that it's the integration between the kernel and the userland that is the critical part. I actually think now that I have to get a working inittab running.
2012-08-31 11:51 <wolfspraul> and their staff is about 100 times more educated/knowledgeable than at any other shipping company :-)
2012-08-31 11:51 <wolfspraul> or make that 1000 times
2012-08-31 11:53 <wolfspraul> how about ups/dhl?
2012-08-31 11:53 <LunaVorax> Hello
2012-08-31 12:06 Fallenou has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 12:08 kristoffer has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 12:11 dandon has quit [Quit: .]
2012-08-31 12:15 <wpwrak> (fedex being special in china) hmm, okay
2012-08-31 12:15 <wpwrak> and yes, it's the quality of their service why i prefer them. with all the others, i had my horror stories, but never with fedex.
2012-08-31 12:16 <wpwrak> let's see about UPS/DHL ...
2012-08-31 12:16 <wpwrak> have you or anyone you know received good (not documents) via UPS or DHL in china ?
2012-08-31 12:19 <paul_boddie> Ah, the manual: http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/techref/process.boot
2012-08-31 12:20 <paul_boddie> Maybe I have to do some OpenWrt/Debian integration. Or try a Debian mipsel kernel but with support for the NanoNote's devices.
2012-08-31 12:28 <wolfspraul> wpwrak: I outsource all of that to someone like xiangfu, we need to ask him
2012-08-31 12:29 <wpwrak> hmm. he's probably already gone :-(
2012-08-31 12:31 <paul_boddie> I'll figure it out, I guess. I suppose it's a learning process. But I'm encouraged by Emdebian, at least. It seems like there's an infrastructure there to support lots of embedded platforms.
2012-08-31 12:33 dandon has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 12:33 <paul_boddie> The mipsel stuff just seems to work. I ran programs in a chroot and even apt-get worked.
2012-08-31 12:37 <wpwrak> i would be very nice to have a proper debian for the ben. debian should have less maintenance hassle than, say, openembedded
2012-08-31 12:48 <paul_boddie> It's probably also better for things like licence compliance, too - shipping the corresponding sources, and so on - because of the source package infrastructure Debian provides. I'm not sure how OpenWrt helps with that.
2012-08-31 12:49 <jow_laptop> openwrt ships patches and makefiles with build instructions
2012-08-31 12:49 <jow_laptop> patches are applied on top of the vanilla tarballs of the upstream projects
2012-08-31 12:50 <jow_laptop> no custom source tarballs
2012-08-31 12:51 <paul_boddie> Yes, I see that in the "buildroot" I'm using. I was just thinking of the practical side of shipping an image and then being able to say, "Here are the sources!"
2012-08-31 12:52 <jow_laptop> yes, likely
2012-08-31 12:52 <jow_laptop> but only interesting for self-hosting systems
2012-08-31 12:52 <jow_laptop> imo
2012-08-31 12:52 <jow_laptop> if you cannot recompile the os on the os it makes no reals sense to have the sources available via the package manager
2012-08-31 12:55 <paul_boddie> True, but for someone shipping an image, if they don't already get the sources to some GPL-licensed stuff and then someone wants those sources, maybe to rebuild the image on their PC, is it not better to have those sources ready to give them? Or better still, just give them the sources on a DVD with the image?
2012-08-31 13:05 nikescar has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 13:05 <jow_laptop> but I don't see the inherent openwrt problem with that
2012-08-31 13:06 <jow_laptop> just run dirclean in the openwrt buildroot, tar it up and offer it as download
2012-08-31 13:06 <jow_laptop> it will be a fully selfcontained dump of any used source
2012-08-31 13:07 <jow_laptop> however I only skimmed the discussion here so please excuse if I missed the point
2012-08-31 13:11 jluis|work has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
2012-08-31 13:12 <paul_boddie> I don't think you missed anything. :-) I was hoping you'd mention a make target to solve the problem, though. ;-)
2012-08-31 13:22 <paul_boddie> Thanks for the help! I'll see how far I get with Emdebian and then try and write it up.
2012-08-31 13:25 paul_boddie has left #qi-hardware ["Kopete 0.11.3 : http://kopete.kde.org"]
2012-08-31 13:34 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 13:43 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
2012-08-31 13:49 wej has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 13:54 erikkugel has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 13:57 <kristianpaul> debian yes at least no need to update os in years thanks to it :)
2012-08-31 14:04 woakas has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
2012-08-31 14:17 woakas has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 14:47 kristoffer has quit [Quit: Leaving]
2012-08-31 14:59 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services]
2012-08-31 14:59 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 15:04 aisa has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 15:04 GNUtoo has quit [Quit: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.]
2012-08-31 15:12 emeb has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 15:28 kuribas has quit [Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)]
2012-08-31 16:02 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 16:30 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
2012-08-31 17:04 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2012-08-31 17:17 kilae has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0/20120824154833]]
2012-08-31 17:18 kristoffer has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 17:21 jluis has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
2012-08-31 17:47 Ayla is now known as AwAyla
2012-08-31 17:56 LunaVorax has quit [Quit: Quitte]
2012-08-31 18:44 kristianpaul has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
2012-08-31 18:46 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 18:46 kristianpaul has quit [Changing host]
2012-08-31 18:46 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 18:47 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 19:26 rodgort has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
2012-08-31 19:48 erikkugel has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware]
2012-08-31 19:50 AwAyla is now known as Ayla
2012-08-31 20:06 rodgort has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 20:29 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 21:23 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
2012-08-31 21:24 woakas has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
2012-08-31 21:27 wej has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 21:35 nikescar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds]
2012-08-31 21:37 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2012-08-31 21:42 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
2012-08-31 22:04 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 22:04 Sucotronic has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 22:05 <kristianpaul> wpwrak: you there?
2012-08-31 22:05 <kristianpaul> What happen in eeschema when editing a component footprint that is custom..
2012-08-31 22:06 <kristianpaul> for example this TCXO http://datasheet.octopart.com/NT3225SA-19.200000MHZ-NDK-datasheet-58250.pdf
2012-08-31 22:07 <kristianpaul> upstream author came with this NDK 3.2x2.5
2012-08-31 22:07 <kristianpaul> Just to clarify i'm editing the component properties
2012-08-31 22:12 Sucotronic has quit [Quit: Bye]
2012-08-31 22:13 Sucotronic has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 22:14 kristoffer has quit [Quit: Leaving]
2012-08-31 22:15 Sucotronic has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware]
2012-08-31 22:22 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 22:53 <kristianpaul> erghh digkey dont have a 16Mhz NT3225SA :-|
2012-08-31 22:57 urandom__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
2012-08-31 23:00 <wpwrak> kristianpaul: if you're editing the component properties in eeschema, they will be saves in the schematics. if you edit them with the component editor, they'll be saved in the .lib file. does that answer your question ? :)
2012-08-31 23:00 <wpwrak> (i.e., i don't quite understand what you actually asked :)
2012-08-31 23:08 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2012-08-31 23:08 <kristianpaul> hmm
2012-08-31 23:08 <kristianpaul> yes i'm editing on eeschema
2012-08-31 23:10 <kristianpaul> but wait i asked about the Footprint Field in the Component Propierties window from eeschema
2012-08-31 23:11 <wpwrak> yes ... you can set the footprint there
2012-08-31 23:11 <wpwrak> or pick it later in cvpcb
2012-08-31 23:12 <wpwrak> i tend to find cvpcb more convenient
2012-08-31 23:12 Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2012-08-31 23:14 <kristianpaul> okay how boom handle custom footprints values?
2012-08-31 23:15 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 23:25 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 23:34 Textmode has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2012-08-31 23:57 compcube has joined #qi-hardware
2012-08-31 23:57 compcube has quit [Changing host]
2012-08-31 23:57 compcube has joined #qi-hardware