2012-08-14 00:04 AwAyla is now known as Ayla 2012-08-14 00:07 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 00:11 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 00:15 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 00:38 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 00:43 wow lots of warnings from werner's gcc warning suggestions the other day :-) 2012-08-14 00:43 but I'm in cleanup mood, so going through... 2012-08-14 00:44 no previous prototype, shadowed declarations, xxx may be used uninitialized, etc. etc. 2012-08-14 00:47 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 00:55 heberth has quit [Quit: leaving] 2012-08-14 01:04 wpwrak: best wishes, happy birthday ! 2012-08-14 01:05 ok first round finished, 20-30 warnings fixed... 2012-08-14 01:07 nah, those old-style warnings are not needed imho 2012-08-14 01:07 but the others were nice - thanks a lot! 2012-08-14 01:07 today I start with the auto-tester, which will take the whole thing to the next level... 2012-08-14 01:29 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2012-08-14 01:31 kristianpaul, I got the external clock working. 2012-08-14 01:31 xiangfu: cool! 2012-08-14 01:31 even though you violate "1000 design rules" 2012-08-14 01:32 hey Werner, where's your pioneering spirit? :-) I'd say violation of design rules is THE bona fide way to learn the essentials the right way :-) 2012-08-14 01:34 xiangfu: nice!, what are you modeling with it? 2012-08-14 01:35 indeed, you need to violate some rules to learn.. 2012-08-14 01:35 like exploding some poli cells at home... :-| 2012-08-14 01:36 s/poli/li-poly 2012-08-14 01:36 kristianpaul meant: "like exploding some li-poly cells at home... :-|" 2012-08-14 01:36 * kristianpaul never realized how sensible could be batteries those days.. 2012-08-14 01:37 blinking LED so far. the code is same. 2012-08-14 01:37 now with a know clock source :-) 2012-08-14 01:37 yes. know clock. 2012-08-14 01:38 I have a 20M and 40M osc. I can connect them for compare. :-) I can see the different. 2012-08-14 01:38 kristianpaul, I guess I can jump to a simple serial console. do you have some source code that I can easy copy/paste. :-) 2012-08-14 01:39 with 1000 design rules. I compare the source on M1 and my violate-1000 board. it works fine under M1. 2012-08-14 01:39 Fallenou: have 2012-08-14 01:39 oh sure 2012-08-14 01:40 then there must be something wrong with my hardware. connect/wires/power 2012-08-14 01:40 "with 1000 design rules" I mean "yes. violate 1000 design rules :-)" 2012-08-14 01:40 xiangfu: so it works or does not work? what do you mean with "got the osc working"? 2012-08-14 01:40 it seems it does, no? 2012-08-14 01:40 it works fine fine. 2012-08-14 01:41 i just know this https://github.com/fallen/md5-hbf/blob/master/usart.v 2012-08-14 01:41 osc --> oscillator 2012-08-14 01:41 but is not easy copy and paste.. 2012-08-14 01:41 I found when the chip needs power it named 'oscillator' . when it no needs power it named: 'crystal' 2012-08-14 01:42 the crystal oscillates when a voltage is applied to it... 2012-08-14 01:43 and you can debug that on the scope 2012-08-14 01:43 i do that a lot, we never know... 2012-08-14 01:43 xiangfu: perhpas not that hard, as just TX :-) 2012-08-14 01:45 wolfspra1l, I found the schematic are all using 'osc' , so I start to use 'osc' or 'oscillator' for the clock chip. 2012-08-14 01:46 wolfspra1l, oh. I just got what you mean. 2012-08-14 01:46 sorry for confuse. I got it now. 2012-08-14 01:47 the translate not that as good as human. :) 2012-08-14 01:48 ;_) 2012-08-14 01:51 GNUtoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-08-14 02:00 guanucoluis has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 02:04 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2012-08-14 02:04 kristianpaul: thanks ! :) 2012-08-14 02:05 wolfspra1l: (warnings) found any real bugs ? "xxx may be used uninitialized" sometimes points to one. 2012-08-14 02:06 guanucoluis has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2012-08-14 02:06 (old-style warnings) if you're writing old-style prototypes, they can also hide bugs. of course, if you write modern style anyway, then you don't need the options. 2012-08-14 02:07 (1000 design rules) oh, no problem with me :) 2012-08-14 02:11 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 02:13 wolfspra1l: (crystal) that's a bit misleading :) the oscillator oscillates if you apply DC. and it sends out a nice digital signal. 2012-08-14 02:14 alright, even better :-) 2012-08-14 02:15 and the deeper you look, the more mysterious the crystal will become... 2012-08-14 02:15 a crystal doesn't actually oscillate itself. it acts as a filter in the feedback loop of an oscillator circuit. and it outputs a very weak signal that this circuit first has to amplify and clean up before you can do anything with it. 2012-08-14 02:15 no did not find real bugs, only one left-over excess printf argument 2012-08-14 02:15 but that didn't do any harm 2012-08-14 02:16 in fact, it's not uncommon that trying to measure what a crystal is doing upsets the circuit so much that it stops working. 2012-08-14 02:16 here is a nice description of how crystal oscillators work: ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/00826a.pdf 2012-08-14 02:17 (mysterious) indeed ;-) 2012-08-14 02:20 (measuring crystals) e.g., the oscillator circuit in the transceiver in atben/atusb drives the crystal with signals that are so weak that it stops oscillating when you touch it with a "normal" oscilloscope probe. so you either need to find some fancy active probe (worth quite a few bottles of good wine), try making one yourself, or measure at the (digital) clock output of the chip. 2012-08-14 02:34 Hoolxi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-08-14 02:36 Ayla has quit [Quit: dodo] 2012-08-14 02:48 GNUtoo has quit [Quit: Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.] 2012-08-14 02:48 zear_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-08-14 02:49 zear has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 02:53 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 02:56 zear_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 02:57 Hoolxi has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2012-08-14 02:57 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 02:57 zear has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-08-14 03:06 pabs3 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 03:11 oh. acrylic (PMMA) is used as rocket fuel. maybe i shouldn't just discard the saw dust from my mill then. 2012-08-14 03:13 hmm. some people find leather bags offensive. i wonder what they'd say about this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Ted_Noten_Grandma's_Bag_Revisited_2009.jpg/1182px-Ted_Noten_Grandma's_Bag_Revisited_2009.jpg 2012-08-14 03:28 not sure about discarding 2012-08-14 03:28 but you might as well pour it into the air and set on fire 2012-08-14 03:29 the result will please you 2012-08-14 03:29 works equally well with fine sugar ;) 2012-08-14 03:30 (leather bags) for what reason? 2012-08-14 03:31 dust + oxygen + fire ... yeah, the life of any party ;) 2012-08-14 03:32 (leather) oh, because animals had to die for it ... 2012-08-14 03:32 ah, that. 2012-08-14 03:34 now let's see if thermal expansion can help me to make these case parts fit without a fight ... 2012-08-14 03:37 emeb has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2012-08-14 03:54 xwalk_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 04:01 Fallenou has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-08-14 04:01 Fallenou has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 04:06 Fallenou has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-14 04:06 woakas has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-14 04:25 heberth has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 04:48 heberth has quit [Quit: leaving] 2012-08-14 04:59 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 04:59 Fallenou has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 05:05 xwalk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2012-08-14 05:07 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 05:19 Fallenou has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-14 05:19 woakas has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-14 05:32 liuqi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2012-08-14 05:32 liuqi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 05:47 xwalk_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 06:10 Hoolxi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-08-14 06:14 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 06:19 kristoffer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 06:19 Hoolxi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-08-14 06:35 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 06:36 porchao has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 06:37 Fallenou has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 06:37 woakas has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 06:37 Fallenou has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-08-14 06:37 Fallenou has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 06:53 Fallenou has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-08-14 06:53 Fallenou has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 07:05 Fallenou has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2012-08-14 07:05 Fallenou has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 07:14 rozzin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2012-08-14 07:27 rozzin has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 07:29 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 07:37 scientes has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-08-14 07:39 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 07:42 mth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-08-14 07:42 mth_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 08:01 he2 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 09:06 Hoolxi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-08-14 09:06 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 09:08 mth__ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 09:08 mth_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-08-14 09:10 GNUtoo has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 09:22 mth__ is now known as mth 2012-08-14 10:13 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2012-08-14 10:25 Hoolxi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-08-14 10:25 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 10:45 paul_boddie has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 10:53 xwalk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2012-08-14 10:56 he2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-08-14 11:07 paul_boddie has left #qi-hardware ["Kopete 0.11.3 : http://kopete.kde.org"] 2012-08-14 11:12 lindi-_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 11:18 lindi- has quit [*.net *.split] 2012-08-14 11:20 xiangfu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-08-14 12:23 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-14 12:40 jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 13:08 GNUtoo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-08-14 13:11 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 13:14 Textmode has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 13:18 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 13:28 Ayla is now known as AwAyla 2012-08-14 13:43 zear_ is now known as zear 2012-08-14 13:59 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 14:14 paul_boddie has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 14:17 Hello! Just got a NanoNote. Anyone mind if I try and tidy up the Wiki a bit? It was a bit frustrating finding out what I needed to know when reflashing the thing. 2012-08-14 14:17 please feel free! 2012-08-14 14:17 I put a plan of action here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/User:PaulBoddie 2012-08-14 14:17 I'm just about to go to sleep, but good to see you here and hope to see you more! 2012-08-14 14:18 I'm also looking out for a way of contributing build fixes. Maybe there's a page for that. 2012-08-14 14:18 sorry but I'm just too tired now, calling it a day and n8... 2012-08-14 14:18 Goodnight! :-) 2012-08-14 14:22 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-08-14 14:22 DocScrutinizer has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-08-14 14:22 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 14:22 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-14 14:27 the wiki is a mess. bringing a bit of structure in it will be a very welcome change. thanks ! :) 2012-08-14 14:29 Some things are somewhat contradictory. 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