2012-08-03 00:02 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-03 00:10 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 00:12 yes but I was wondering how strong/independent that outside part is 2012-08-03 00:43 emeb has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2012-08-03 01:44 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 02:01 nikescar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2012-08-03 02:01 nikescar has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 02:02 xwalk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2012-08-03 02:09 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-08-03 02:34 (trapware) not nice indeed 2012-08-03 02:39 nicely hidden there, eh? :-) 2012-08-03 02:44 i didn't look at it. but what you describe sounds rather unfriendly. 2012-08-03 02:49 nah, I like it. just a little easter egg in the bsd license 2012-08-03 02:52 kinda like monsanto's suicide seeds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_use_restriction_technology) 2012-08-03 03:02 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 03:14 maybe lars can tell us more about where this idea/restriction comes from, so we understand analog better 2012-08-03 03:14 if he is still allowed to or not too afraid to talk about that :-) 2012-08-03 03:45 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-08-03 03:47 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 03:52 and/or ;-) 2012-08-03 04:25 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 04:40 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-08-03 04:54 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 04:59 wpwrak: I read about some economic fun in Argentina, is that true? such as it's getting harder to get USD cash 2012-08-03 04:59 and stores that used to have imported products can't get them anymore and need to come up with local replacements? 2012-08-03 05:00 wine in restaurants got a lot more expensive? 2012-08-03 05:01 should I buy more Argentine wine here in Beijing to support you guys down there? 2012-08-03 05:01 good thing my local store here still has imported stuff from all over :-) 2012-08-03 05:11 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 05:21 kilae has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 05:23 i don't know about the wine in restaurants (it's usually considerably more expensive than in the supermarket), but the rest is true 2012-08-03 05:24 it's almost impossible to buy USD now. about the only option that's still open is for travel. and there, you first have to get permission from the tax authority, who will then set the amount you're allowed (usually low) 2012-08-03 05:24 of course, there's a rather lively black market now ... 2012-08-03 05:25 hmm, interesting 2012-08-03 05:25 well, new business opportunities 2012-08-03 05:25 I will check out the Argentine wine section next time I'm in the store 2012-08-03 05:26 always skipped it so far, but a little solidarity wine is a good opportunity 2012-08-03 05:26 anyone you recommend? something well known that makes it all the way to Beijing... 2012-08-03 05:26 regarding imports, the government erected various new bureaucratic barriers that make if very hard for some companies to import. many luxury brand stores (cartier, ralph lauren [sp?], etc.) are closing. but it's also affecting other sectors. 2012-08-03 05:27 and of course, the countries exporting to argentina reciprocate. this exports are down, too. and so is the overall economy. 2012-08-03 05:27 argentine wine is the best. don't skip it ! ;-) 2012-08-03 05:27 well someone must benefit 2012-08-03 05:27 cui bono 2012-08-03 05:28 some people have an amazing capability to handle a benefit imbalance, where 1 USD benefit for them causes 1 million USD losses for others but they don't care 2012-08-03 05:28 that's no news, but at least they can now go buy their icecream... 2012-08-03 05:28 (with the dollar they made) 2012-08-03 05:28 yes, I will! 2012-08-03 05:29 my local store has 2+ rooms full of wine from all over the world, Chinese are learning :-) 2012-08-03 05:29 and that's in a suburb, the ones in downtown have even more 2012-08-03 05:29 the ones i like most are saint-felicien, luigi bosca, and escorihuela gascon 2012-08-03 05:29 the latter is a bit fragile but very good 2012-08-03 05:30 terrazas de los andes is also a good brand 2012-08-03 05:31 from saint-felicien, the cabernet-merlot is amazing. excellent for an asado. 2012-08-03 05:31 noting... 2012-08-03 05:31 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-03 05:32 alright, I will check this out. thanks! 2012-08-03 05:33 so USD cash smuggling into argentina is a good business now, interesting 2012-08-03 05:34 luigi bosca is a little hard to find in argentina. perhaps they're exporting most of it. it's excellent. 2012-08-03 05:34 I will check. the argentine section is not that big here but it's definitely there 2012-08-03 05:34 oh, definitely. you get about ARS 6.50-7.00 per USD. the official exchange rate is around 4.56 2012-08-03 05:34 I need to take a closer look, there is too much stuff so I always just passed by... 2012-08-03 05:36 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 05:36 I'm wondering what the general effects of the Internet have on these kinds of policies. in the sense that it's extremely easy for individuals and small groups to unite around all sorts of transactions at all sorts of places and times 2012-08-03 05:36 that must be a nightmare to fight 2012-08-03 05:36 there's also rutini, which is supposed to be one of the star wines. it tends to be quite pricy, though. so i rather stick with the others, which tend to be priced (in argentina) around USD 15-30. 2012-08-03 05:37 wow that's a lot, I'm cheap 2012-08-03 05:37 I will check it out 2012-08-03 05:38 cheaper wines .. hmm .. norton, terrazas also have a lower cost line, latitud 33 will do in a pinch, ... lemme check what else ... 2012-08-03 05:39 trapiche is also good 2012-08-03 05:42 (transaction) people are coming up with all sort of schemes. e.g., one is to travel abroad, go to a casino, buy chips with a credit card (the government hasn't figured out yet how to restrict credit cards without hurting the klaptocratic elite themselves), then immediately cash them in in dollars 2012-08-03 05:42 yeah high time for small business 2012-08-03 05:42 it's also a good deal because such transactions are converted at the official rate. so you get around 30% "subsidiaries" 2012-08-03 05:42 a mess 2012-08-03 05:42 so that can only get worse then 2012-08-03 05:43 the downside is of course that any inbound foreign currency transactions suffer a 30% "tax" because they're also converted at the official rate 2012-08-03 05:43 time to accumulate USD cash to snap up cheap real estate after the crash again? 2012-08-03 05:43 or will they turn it around before that? 2012-08-03 05:44 before then 2012-08-03 05:44 i have my doubts. the president is obsessed with power. this means that she doesn't surround herself with good people. hence crazy policies. 2012-08-03 05:45 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 05:45 and you can probably already make good deals if you have a bag of dollars. the real estate market traditionally operates in dollars. with nobody having dollars and the peso devaluating at 20-30% p.a., that market has basically collapsed 2012-08-03 05:47 the devaluation per se wouldn't be so bad, but the government also insists on lying about the inflation. the official figure is only about 10%, and interest rates are accordingly. so if you put your money (pesos) in the bank at the best rate you can reasonably obtain, you still lose 10-20% p.a. 2012-08-03 05:48 sure sure, I can imagine 2012-08-03 05:49 once the imbalances pop up they pop up all over 2012-08-03 05:49 that's why I looked up when I read the news about stores with imported goods running out of them :-) 2012-08-03 05:50 there are all sorts of new ways to make money now, I'm sure :-) 2012-08-03 05:52 not all that many, since all this is really hurting the industry, so you may be able to get a bigger slice but of a much smaller cake. and a lot of people who think they're making money are losing in the end. 2012-08-03 05:52 panda|x201 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-03 05:55 it's a bit like the broken window fallacy 2012-08-03 05:57 and of course, people are afraid the government may force a conversion of dollar deposits to pesos (at the official rate). that's why many are withdrawing their dollars from the banks and put them either in safe deposit boxes (which are scarce, due to the high demand), or hide them somewhere. 2012-08-03 05:58 yes of course don't misunderstand me. obviously the macro policy is wrong and hurting everybody collectively 2012-08-03 05:59 by sheer coincidence, crime rates are up, with breaking into apartments getting particularly popular. if the inhabitants happen to be present, they get threatened and/or tortured until they reveal where they're hiding their treasures. 2012-08-03 05:59 I am joking saying that it does open some micro opportunities on the other side 2012-08-03 05:59 it does, but it's stupid 2012-08-03 05:59 but what can you do 2012-08-03 06:00 so when will it get better? 2012-08-03 06:00 does the lack of imported good bug you? probably not... 2012-08-03 06:00 that's probably one of the minor issues anyway, can live without them 2012-08-03 06:00 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-03 06:00 i suppose when the point will be reached when it collapses completely and the government is chased out 2012-08-03 06:01 happened in 2001. can happen again. 2012-08-03 06:02 the lack of imported goods means that there are fewer choices at the supermarket. also, if any appliances would break down, i couldn't replace them with anything equivalent. 2012-08-03 06:03 i'm a bit worried about my fridge. it has 10 years on its back and makes funny noises. 2012-08-03 06:04 and it's best not to need any unusual medication ... 2012-08-03 06:08 xwalk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-08-03 06:13 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 06:42 xwalk has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 06:52 wpwrak: 10 years?! Soviet fridges work for 40 years without a hitch. 2012-08-03 06:54 whitequark: well, maybe mine will last for 20 years of continuous use, too (= 40 years in russia, where you don't need a fridge in winter :) 2012-08-03 06:54 haeh 2012-08-03 06:55 yeah, defrosting fridges in winter is common here 2012-08-03 07:08 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2012-08-03 07:58 scientes has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-03 08:03 newcup has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 08:10 kristoffer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 08:35 jekhor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2012-08-03 08:47 Jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 08:51 Jurting has quit [Client Quit] 2012-08-03 09:09 Jurting has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 09:36 Ayla has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 09:49 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 09:51 antoniodariuh_ has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 09:51 antoniodariuh_ has quit [Client Quit] 2012-08-03 10:39 qwebirc77028 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 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2012-08-03 14:05 define "control" :) 2012-08-03 14:06 panda|x201 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 14:06 lauch it, remove it 2012-08-03 14:06 basically, I'd like to restart a module with a different platform data 2012-08-03 14:08 anything in the kernel can turn into "user mode" and do things from there. so at least in theory, you could invoke insmod and such. 2012-08-03 14:08 now, in your case, perhaps the modules could just share some private interface for the reloading ? 2012-08-03 14:08 DocScrutinizer has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-08-03 14:08 xwalk has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2012-08-03 14:08 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 14:09 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-08-03 14:09 DocScrutinizer06 has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 14:09 DocScrutinizer06 is now known as DocScrutinizer05 2012-08-03 14:13 Hoolxi has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 14:25 cladamw has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2012-08-03 15:01 Hoolxi has quit 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the destruction code is buggy because it is never used 2012-08-03 16:52 larsc: but if I do that, the driver won't be stopped, am I right? 2012-08-03 16:52 which means that it'll still attempt to access its platform data 2012-08-03 17:03 scientes has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 17:06 Ayla: if you unregister the device it is gone 2012-08-03 17:06 and won't access it's platform_data anymore 2012-08-03 17:07 good enough 2012-08-03 17:08 jekhor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 2012-08-03 17:15 DocScrutinizer has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-08-03 17:15 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 17:15 DocScrutinizer has quit [Disconnected by services] 2012-08-03 17:15 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 17:16 DocScrutinizer has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2012-08-03 17:16 DocScrutinizer has joined #qi-hardware 2012-08-03 17:31 kilae has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 14.0.1/20120713134347]] 2012-08-03 17:52 GNUtoo has quit [Quit: 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